Iran Crisis ∩ Trump Politics Mass Debates Thread

[browserbowser]

they keep citing the Yinon plan as proof of Greater Israel but the Yinon plan never mentions greater Israel

Honestly this is the only thing I need to point out to really hammer home how little of a defense you actually have for any of your bullshit.

Every single defense you have is some version or another of the "I said I'd give you a million dollHAIRS not dollARS ahahahaha!" pathetic childish wordgames.

No, the paper "A Strategy For Israel In The Nineteen Eighties", does not include literally the words in this exact usage as coined in modernity; "Greater Israel". Does it describe everything that is currently going on, lead to what is going on, sum up the contents of what people are accusing Israel of doing, was written by "Oded Yinon" and was published by literally no-shit "The World Zionist Organization, Jerusalem"? Was this plan also a decades-long future-planning whitepaper?

Yes. And literally every single instance of 'defense' you put up for any of this shit is just faggot word games, of the kind and nature your people erroneously believe holds up when all trust begins to erode in your direction due to your rampant and unending fucking abuse of people's willingness to give you any benefit of the doubt whatsoever.

 

[Butterschmalz]

LOL. Still 2 mil per pop.

 

[Historical Strelkov]

There's nothing sanctimonious about saying a country that starts a war of aggression and then proceeds to do triple tap strikes on medical workers is evil. It's a pretty low bar that Israel is failing to clear.

You know there's no moral superiority on either side right?
The Lehi/Irgun/Haganah are just jewish reflections of Hamas/Hezbollah/Palestinian Jihad
And by the way, the Muslim/Palestine side in this war has no sympathy for any of their ancestors conquests, why should I care about the descendents of the Canaanites doing the same thing to them?
Like to an objective observer, you have the exact same right to be there, which is that whomever wins gets to stay until they're forced out.

It's possible to think you're the "moral one" while you do the stupidest move possible.

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

Honestly this is the only thing I need to point out to really hammer home how little of a defense you actually have for any of your bullshit.

No, the paper "A Strategy For Israel In The Nineteen Eighties", does not include literally the words in this exact usage as coined in modernity; "Greater Israel". Does it describe everything that is currently going on, lead to what is going on, sum up the contents of what people are accusing Israel of doing, and was written by "Oded Yinon" and was published by literally no-shit "The World Zionist Organization, Jerusalem"? Was this plan also a decades-long future-planning whitepaper?

Yes. And literally every single instance of 'defense' you put up for any of this shit is just faggot word games, of the kind and nature your people erroneously believe holds up when all trust begins to erode in your direction due to your rampant and unending fucking abuse of people's willingness to give you any benefit of the doubt whatsoever.

You didn't read or internalize any of my points. Any points I made are "word games" to the person who cannot actually read words that trigger thought terminators.

note you couldn't answer this question:

to prove that Israel wants to split these lands into small states without putting together the idea that if these arab small states exist, they cannot be occupied by Israel to form Greater Israel

you conflate splitting arab states up with occupying them, Oded specifically talks about states not controlled by Israel

. The vision of a Christian Coptic State in Upper Egypt alongside a number of weakstates with very localized power and without a centralized government as to date, is the key to a historicaldevelopment which was only set back by the peace agreement but which seems inevitable in the longrun.

The dissolution of Syriaand Iraq later on into ethnically or religiously unqiue areas such as in Lebanon, is Israel’s primary targeton the Eastern front in the long run, while the dissolution of the military power of those states serves asthe primary short term target. Syria will fall apart, in accordance with its ethnic and religious structure, intoseveral states such as in present day Lebanon, so that there will be a Shi’ite Alawi state along its coast, aSunni state in the Aleppo area, another Sunni state in Damascus hostile to its northern neighbor, and theDruzes who will set up a state, maybe even in our Golan, and certainly in the Hauran and in northernJordan. This state of affairs will be the guarantee for peace and security in the area in the long run, andthat aim is already within our reach today

i know it's hard for you to read words as written on the paper but actually try to understand that the two maps you're saying are the plan cannot exist at the same time. How do independent arab microstates exist as part of a greater israel if they are independently controlled by Arabs/Druze? The absolute most you can argue is for his arguing that the Sinai needs to be retaken and even that is cope with Israel doing nothing to regain it since the peace treaty.

you also didn't address that there's no evidence of this:

In order to ensure this, the plan, as explained orally, calls for the establishment of Israeli garrisons in focal places between the mini states, equipped with the necessary mobile destructive forces. In fact, we have seen something like this in Haddadland and we will almost certainly soon see the first example of this system functioning either in South Lebanon or in all Lebanon.

 

[browserbowser]

Presented with no further commentary.

- From "A Strategy For Israel In The Nineteen Eighties", Obed Yinon.

Spoiler: Reminder

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

Presented with no further commentary.

- From "A Strategy For Israel In The Nineteen Eighties", Obed Yinon.

where does dissolution of iraq fall into this map? We started talking about this map which shows Israeli rule over all this land.



He specifically talks about balkanization of Iraq into Arab states run by Arabs. This has nothing to do with the map or theory we started out with that talks about Israeli direct rule over the Nile to the Euphrates

 

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- From "A Strategy For Israel In The Nineteen Eighties", Obed Yinon.

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Didn't know Israel was a Catholic state

 

[neger psykolog]

Oded specifically talks about states not controlled by Israel

Oded? Opinion disregarded I only listen to the wisdom of odin. Now drink this freshly sacrificed lambs blood to save yourself jew boy.

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

Didn't know Israel was a Catholic state
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the funnier part is that he can't read what his own source is saying even after I specifically explained it to him. he posts an excerpt that shows exactly what im talking about and somehow doesn't understand

its fun seeing them ape pretending to understand complex topics

 

[MeltyTW]

Didn't know Israel was a Catholic state
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they seem to own a lot of catholic orgs specifically focused on flooding the west with non whites. must just be alot of jewish catholics who all happen to feel for migrants.

You know there's no moral superiority on either side right?

i think jews should die because they are trying to orchestrate my destruction and the destruction of my race.

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this is how they talk about ethnic divisions in countries to our face vs behind our backs. i wouldnt doubt theres plans talking this clinically about the dissolution of america and europe too. total kike death. its righteous, it is objectively morally correct.

 

[Historical Strelkov]

i think jews should die because they are trying to orchestrate my destruction and the destruction of my race.

no one is going to kill all the jews, man. some of the most powerful leaders in the world have tried to do that for like 5000 years and its never happened.
Therefore, you should deal with them in a more sensible way. If they have their own state, you have a place to send them.

Sorry you're not big brained enough to understand what ethereal power level I am on.

 

[browserbowser]

Didn't know Israel was a Catholic state
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You know something, a very fascinating phenomenon exists. Using kiwi-search I found a post that explains the point rather well:

check almost any of these “catholic charities” it’s Jews and Muslims running it while skin walking

Still curious as to how importing Somalis en masse who stay as Muslims and don’t convert helps the church at all

I’m not diminishing it, these charities are funded by Christian’s but you look at the staff and it’s Somalis and reform Jews

We can walk and chew gum at the same time

We can put the vast majority of blame on the Catholic Church for actually funding it.

That doesn’t change the fact the staff lists of these charities I’ve literally never seen one without majority muzzles and steins and bergs as the actually rank and file grunts.

The real issue is the church and our government funding this, not the people staffing it, tho it is funny that these charities are like super minority Catholic at best

for actual like normal Americans staffing these orgs its usually Episcopalian, Methodist, preysbertarian filled with libtards whites

I’d call them Christian but most mainlines are agnostic at best

And to be clear although I have my problem with Catholics who genuinely buy into this nonsense, by and large they are not what is powering these 'charities'.

Frankly it's not even 'jews' it's the Catholic church being 'influenced' by money to put it very kindly which is neither new nor shocking.

this is how they talk about ethnic divisions in countries to our face vs behind our backs.

Exactly.

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

Using kiwi-search I found a post that explains the point rather well:

Cope that ignores that they are following documented Vatican directives

Also lol you couldn't answer my points here

where does dissolution of iraq fall into this map? We started talking about this map which shows Israeli rule over all this land.

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He specifically talks about balkanization of Iraq into Arab states run by Arabs. This has nothing to do with the map or theory we started out with that talks about Israeli direct rule over the Nile to the Euphrates

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[General Emílio Médici]

USPG2 is being too nice to Trump and his fuck ups on this war. I get wanting to trust the plan but he is clearly being played by Israel here and got suckered into a shit deal. There needs to be actual MAGA pushback on this and to get things back to domestic issues in the USA that Trump was elected to deal with.

But then I go to the TES thread and I see people still malding over the meaningless spat with the Pope, going full theologian as if anyone though Trump was gonna be a hardcore religious man, clapping to Iranian propaganda and oh look now they are saying the assassination attempt in Butler PA was staged.

The Happenings thread on this conflict is at least pretty nice and objective.

It feels like Realpolitik died this year. The people who were on the MAGA side that should be working to try and salvage things and stop the collapse of the movement like Tucker Carlson and Thomas Massie have instead burned bridges with Trump and spend their time being useless opposition. I say useless because they will just join the DNC in attacking Trump even when it makes little sense for their own positions like with the ICE thing where Massie saw a need to defend illegals in Minneapolis when the entire shitshow was happening because Walz was purposefully fucking with the operation, but he then didn't lift a finger to help go against the fraud Walz was pushing.

I really hope Nethanyahu drops dead and causes the entire war machine to collapse.

 

[Historical Strelkov]

USPG2 is being too nice to Trump and his fuck ups on this war. I get wanting to trust the plan but he is clearly being played by Israel here and got suckered into a shit deal. There needs to be actual MAGA pushback on this and to get things back to domestic issues in the USA that Trump was elected to deal with.

But then I go to the TES thread and I see people still malding over the meaningless spat with the Pope, going full theologian as if anyone though Trump was gonna be a hardcore religious man, clapping to Iranian propaganda and oh look now they are saying the assassination attempt in Butler PA was staged.

The Happenings thread on this conflict is at least pretty nice and objective.

It feels like Realpolitik died this year. The people who were on the MAGA side that should be working to try and salvage things and stop the collapse of the movement like Tucker Carlson and Thomas Massie have instead burned bridges with Trump and spend their time being useless opposition. I say useless because they will just join the DNC in attacking Trump even when it makes little sense for their own positions like with the ICE thing where Massie saw a need to defend illegals in Minneapolis when the entire shitshow was happening because Walz was purposefully fucking with the operation, but he then didn't lift a finger to help go against the fraud Walz was pushing.

I really hope Nethanyahu drops dead and causes the entire war machine to collapse.

People don't want objectivity, they want to win.
Except Trump is winning.

 

[Delany's Donkey]

USPG2 is being too nice to Trump and his fuck ups on this war. I get wanting to trust the plan but he is clearly being played by Israel here and got suckered into a shit deal. There needs to be actual MAGA pushback on this and to get things back to domestic issues in the USA that Trump was elected to deal with.

USPG2 has been driven insane by fatpacks to the point that they take any criticism of the administration as a leftist doomer psyop. They have completely deluded themselves into defending anything Trump does no matter what and when we lose the midterms they're going to blame "doomers" for it instead of the dozens of avoidable PR disasters and broken promises by the Republicans.

It feels like Realpolitik died this year. The people who were on the MAGA side that should be working to try and salvage things and stop the collapse of the movement like Tucker Carlson and Thomas Massie have instead burned bridges with Trump and spend their time being useless opposition

Massie was always an open border lolbert so that's not surprising. With Tucker though I don't know what else he could do. He tried staying at trump's side and get him to not be retarded (even visiting the white house 3 time in the lead up to this shitshow trying to get him not to do it) but trump has decided to ignore any sound advice and instead listen to psychopaths like Mark Levin and Laura Loomer and call tucker a low I.Q loser. I understand Carlson is too naive when it comes to Islam but there's nothing anyone could tell Trump to get through to him at this point, if Charlie Kirk was still alive Trump would be attacking him just like he has all his former supporters since the start of this war.

 

[TayTweets]

People don't want objectivity, they want America to win.
Except jews are winning.

FTFY

 

[Alphasnail]

So today marks the day of izzat toppling in Iran. All of trumps bluster finally proved to be a probing attack for disunity in the regime, and he finally unambiguously struck home. Is there a payout for calling it? Should I have been placing a bet somewhere? I feel like the universe owes me money for being correct for once in my life.

 

[Retrodogkiller]

i think jews should die

I dont think Jews should die, but Israel needs to be abolished and any jew thats not a US born citizen can fuck off back to whatever their second or third passport is.

 

[Unarmed Gunman]

No Palestinian would be alive today if Israel wanted to commit genocide

This sure is a long list of organizations that have disagree with your pants on head assessment.

Israel has given up their land despite winning them.

Are you referring to the immigrants from Europe that were handed land that wasn't theirs?