Iran Crisis & the 2026 War between Iran and the United States, Gulf States, and Israel - Please focus on news and coverage, not argumentation.

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ThisIsGonnaBeGood dijo:
At this point, I wouldn't even mind if Trump just pulls out of NATO and imposes an export ban on fossil fuels.
The Eurocucks don't wanna lift a finger to help something that directly affects them? They can enjoy $15/gal gas for all I care.
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Try $15 per liter, which those filthy euros use to measure their gas. If you've never looked at European fuel prices (look for 'petrol' prices) then you have no idea how pathetic all this really is. They pay out the NOSE for gasoline.

Foley dijo:
Somewhat true. Ukraine can still manage, even if US cut out all ties now. What US currently does is basically giving the ok of transporting their weapons into Ukraine and using them, and providing some intelligence data. But Trump really did cut off basically all the aid after he took office. Europe has pretty much taken over of fuelling the Ukrainian war machine, but like I said, there is still very much a need to keep Trump and US happy. If US were to say that no more supplying US made weapons to Ukraine that would be problematic, but not catastrophic.
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In the short-term, certainly. But not in the long-term. Europe cannot continue fighting a forever war for a country it does not actually have the ability to force a win with, ESPECIALLY if NATO loses US support. The cost of then supporting every individual european country, and replacing all the US assets taken back by us if we were to leave NATO, would mean that Europe would be seeing a HUGE hole in materiel and manpower across the region, and certainly it would not be nearly so easy to funnel everything made there to Ukraine if it also needs to go into the local stockpiles too.

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Man, I wasn't trying to piss you off Foley, I was just saying that your forever war in Ukraine that Russia will never stop fighting isn't going to get cheaper or easier to supply if the US pulls all materiel and manpower currently spread across Europe and forces you all to replace it. Why are you mad about that? It's the truth.

For what it's worth, the estimate to replace just the materiel is that it would cost over a trillion USD, and would require you to either completely manufacture all the things we took back for yourself, or buy them from us. I don't know if Europe has the ability to create THAAD arrays, or Patriot systems. Can europe manufacture F-35s to counter Russian 5th generation fighters in a live European War? I don't think they can. Again, I'm not trying to antagonize. This is a realistic assessment of how badly it would harm Europe. I want the cooperation of our two mega-states. The US and your European collective, but it's important to remain realistic in our assessments of things, especially as Iran strikes British territory and the Brits go "OH no please Iran, we promise we won't let any Americussy launch out of our (Jointly owned with the US, mind you, meaning the UK would lose it if we wanted it more than they did.) bases there, please don't strike us!" That's really pathetic, and really weak-looking.
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conodont dijo:
as someone who lived in Dire Dawa for multiple years, this is literally just how 90% of Somali people act. Pretty much every Somali forum acts like this.

A personal favorite of mine:
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Fellas... Should you sacrifice your immortal soul for a little bit of strange?
 
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Foley dijo:
But Trump really did cut off basically all the aid after he took office.
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Not quite, we still have ongoing programs instated under Biden that continue to be honored under trump, Trump didn't cut anything off.

We just haven't approved anything new on top of those. the US remains the biggest individual donor to Ukraine.
 
EU raping itself because they want to stick it to Trump. As a europoor, this is a day ending in Y. No one will do anything though because euros are niggercattle enslaved by MSM.
 
MetokurGroomedMe dijo:
Man, I wasn't trying to piss you off Foley, I was just saying that your forever war in Ukraine that Russia will never stop fighting isn't going to get cheaper or easier to supply if the US pulls all materiel and manpower currently spread across Europe and forces you all to replace it. Why are you mad about that? It's the truth.
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Obviously it will be more difficult and costly, I just don't agree that it would cause an issue long-term where Russia can take over. As much as we shit on Europe in this thread (a lot of it justified, some not), they have ramped up the military support significantly. Also regarding military intelligence, where EU now provides the majority of it, and the proportional size is getting bigger all the time.
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TL;DR: I'm not convinced that Ukraine and Europe would be fucked if US told us to go fuck ourselves, but it would obviously be something that nobody wants. That's why Ukraine is still doing all the buttering up they can.
 
Foley dijo:
Obviously it will be more difficult and costly, I just don't agree that it would cause an issue long-term where Russia can take over. As much as we shit on Europe in this thread (a lot of it justified, some not), they have ramped up the military support significantly. Also regarding military intelligence, where EU now provides the majority of it, and the proportional size is getting bigger all the time.
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TL;DR: I'm not convinced that Ukraine and Europe would be fucked if US told us to go fuck ourselves, but it would obviously be something that nobody wants. That's why Ukraine is still doing all the buttering up they can.
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Hey, fair enough. I'm happy to agree to disagree. A trillion USD is a fuckload of money, but it's not impossible for Europe to do that. It's mostly that when you look at european economies, one of the reasons they can get away with supplementing things like gasoline to the point that they DO is that they don't have to cover nearly as much individual military expenditure as they would without NATO and US Protectionism. I'm not just looking at PURELY the military part of this. I'm looking at what parts of Europe would have to shift, at least during the wartime, to accomodate something like this at a rate not supplemented in any way by the US, and at the same time replacing all those now-missing NATO assets. That trillion USD doesn't come from nowhere. Most likely, it would come from cuts to social programs and loans, all of which would foment unrest within Europe, and cause further problems.

I think you guys COULD beat the Ruskies, but the question is if there would be sufficient political willpower to put the populace into a negative state of existence for long enough to do it, and in countries like the UK, if that's going to be something they can even afford to do.
 
MetokurGroomedMe dijo:
Hey, fair enough. I'm happy to agree to disagree. A trillion USD is a fuckload of money, but it's not impossible for Europe to do that. It's mostly that when you look at european economies, one of the reasons they can get away with supplementing things like gasoline to the point that they DO is that they don't have to cover nearly as much individual military expenditure as they would without NATO and US Protectionism. I'm not just looking at PURELY the military part of this. I'm looking at what parts of Europe would have to shift, at least during the wartime, to accomodate something like this at a rate not supplemented in any way by the US, and at the same time replacing all those now-missing NATO assets. That trillion USD doesn't come from nowhere. Most likely, it would come from cuts to social programs and loans, all of which would foment unrest within Europe, and cause further problems.

I think you guys COULD beat the Ruskies, but the question is if there would be sufficient political willpower to put the populace into a negative state of existence for long enough to do it, and in countries like the UK, if that's going to be something they can even afford to do.
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Europe is fucked. That's not an easy statement to make. Unless the current leadership is dramatically changed voted out or whatever nothing will change on there end. Europe has become weak, in both a military sense as well as a policy sense.
Let's say the U.S. pulls out of NATO and Europe has to accelerate the remilitarization of there countries individually it would be a shit show. They would put in place drafts and the people would probably revolt. None of the imported population would be required to draft either. Countries like Turkey would not have a reason to not attack Greece, everything would fall apart rapidly. Europe is fucked.
 
MetokurGroomedMe dijo:
I think you guys COULD beat the Ruskies, but the question is if there would be sufficient political willpower to put the populace into a negative state of existence for long enough to do it, and in countries like the UK, if that's going to be something they can even afford to do.
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Historically, it comes from when the shit has already hit the fan and there is basically no other choice. But I do think the political willpower would be there if push comes to shove.

Now, because European politics are not nearly as stable as US politics traditionally have been, things could shift if the more far right / Russia friendly parties were to gain power in France and Germany. But that doesn't seem terribly likely right now, and AFAIK at least in France even the far right has been more anti-Russia recently.

Right now, I'm more optimistic than a doomer. But who the fuck really knows.
 
My boomer mother is one of those conspiracy-minded conservatives who is obsessed with Steve Bannon and once unironically tried to convince me Candace Owens was onto something about the French being involved with Charlie Kirk's death.
Even she says she's about to get a refund on her Tucker Carlson subscription. That's how much he's alienated his audience.
 
Fred Herbert dijo:
And now for the real casualty of the war, the climate. Gotta make everything about climate alarmism. From everyone's favorite non-biased, levelheaded and non-hysterical source "The Guardian" :lol:
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This was another huge redpilling aspect of the left for me. Everything has to be about everything all the time. If it's one bad thing, it's all of the bad things.

It's not enough for them to leave it at "war is bad because the heckin people died" no... it's also racist, it's sexist, it's transphobic, it's bad for the economy, it's causing climate change and killing the dolphins too! Everything that happens has two sides: The one where everything is perfect in every way with 0 side effects or tradeoffs and the side where everything is 100% wrong. Guess which side they're on?

Nothing in the real world is that simple.
 
Onepumpplumpchump dijo:
I don't think it will last a full 6 weeks though, I think maybe 5.5.
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My current estimation (Which I will NOT be toxxing myself for!) is 6 to 6.5 weeks, I think a few extra days at the end for coordinated leaving is probably fair.

ThisIsGonnaBeGood dijo:
Three weeks being called the midpoint of what was always advertised as a 4-6 week war tracks about right.
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This part is very important. Doomers/Anti-Jewish Whatevers/Anti-Zionists were constantly telling us this war had nothing to do with us, that Mr. Counterterrorism knew everything, and that we were fighting a kike war for kike benefit. Attempting to strike Diego Garcia probably sounded good in some goatfucker's head, because it's not Continental Europe or like, Slavland... but they forgot to account for the fact that this revealed (or maybe they wanted to reveal?) that they CAN do that. It completely destroys their ability to now argue that they were never going to enrich Uranium to bomb levels. This is hard evidence that the regime has lied about significant (though not, apparently, highly-stocked) military strike power that the international community would never have been okay with them having.

Perhaps they've decided "Fuck it, they're already bombing us to pre-stone age levels, we might as well play every card we have and cost them as much money as possible."

I also notice they haven't hit anymore radar arrays since the first one, which further confirms, imo, that they either got lucky or were relying heavily on saturation for that kind of damage which is not possible anymore.

Onepumpplumpchump dijo:
honestly I think Trump just needs to go full on Conquest right now after Iran and Cuba just fucking Annex Canada then Mexico. He can appoint Ralph as the leader of Mexico and Wayne Gretzky the leader of Canada.
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I TOL' YOU BISHES. CAN'T STUNT THE GUNT. WHAT YOU THINK OF THAT METOCARE? I GET MY XANNIES TAXPAYER FUNDED BISH! TAX. FREE.

We could call him the Mexico Micro!
 
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