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I am specifically referring to the idea that names have some sort of connection to the person in some way, which way? Let's see.

For nominative determinism, I believe the notion restricts itself to career paths, life choices, and so on. So for example (random one, not necessarily accurate), Mr. Goldstein would tend to, even if slightly, get a job at something that deals with money or expensive stuff, like maybe working at a bank (outside of him being jewish). There is no evidence that would support the hypothesis that his name/surname alone is what made him gravitate towards that career, but this is not what I'm talking about, although it may be tangentially correlated.

Now for the face-name matching hypothesis, it involves the idea that human faces can evolve somehow into "matching" their name, according to either stereotypes or patterns, that for some reason are associated with that name.


Here is when we come to personal experience, and I want to say that I come from a place of skepticism, so if this phenomenon is not attributed to coincidence and statistical likelihood, then there must be something else, backed by science (even if not yet), that would explain it.

For my anecdotes, this has happened to me numerous times, where I was able to successfully predict the name of complete strangers (from common to semi-common, like monikers) given their face structure. It appears that, if there is a determining trait that would make this name have an "identity" (or range of identities), it would involve their specific sounds or maybe how they're thought of being written as (meaning, Elena and Helen, same name in different languages, produce different "identities" because they're written/spoken differently).

Furthermore, there has been instances on top of that, where I managed to predict the order of correct vowels in their name and sometimes consonants, like I would say "she for sure has a name that starts with L, and I can see her having an A and a U in it, maybe another A by the end of it, is she Laura?" and boom, that's her name. Again, multiple instances of this, however this doesn't mean that there aren't outliers, just that a suspicious amount of coincidences happen against the unlikelihood of such prediction.

Finally, the more complex the name is, the harder it is to guess. This would reveal that statistics/dumb luck plays a heavy role in it, however the prediction of vowels/consonants sometimes remains constant, this is what I referred to as a "range of identities". Like for example: "well, if she isn't Sonia, maybe it's Monica", and she would be (something like that as an example, don't take this one literally, with the point being, that the predicted letters/sounds was accurate to a high degree for no good apparent reason).

Any thoughts? Does this happen to you as well? Is it simple coincidence, or is there more to it?
 
I am specifically referring to the idea that names have some sort of connection to the person in some way, which way? Let's see.
a friend of mine mentioned a study in which people were asked to guess the name of people based on their face and were able to correctly guess the name 40% of the time. it only worked within culture groups though
 
Of course. Name stereotypes have existed for thousands of years for a reason. Conversely, unique people have unique names because their parents are unique. Think of Frank Zappa naming his kid Moon Unit, or Robin Williams naming his kid Zelda or whatever. And Barron Trump.
 
Guess it has to do a lot with fashion of that time. If someone gives their kid a name that is currently trendy in their age group and class, the kid will be raised the way to be conforming and adopt the styles of their social bubble, too.
Hence, there are the ''Karens'', but that's more a style than a particular kind of face.
Or ''Sebix'', because too many of Eastern euro young men of questionable upbringing who like revving their shitty old BMW, tend to be named Sebastian or something.
And, well, in my age group here, every man is named Jan and in case he's not (because he is a Tomas) , he has a brother who is one so there is a very high probability to be right.
 
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Its really not, but at the same time it is. When someone conforms to the stereotype of a given name, such as a "Chad" being 6'2" with a 6 pack and a beard, it will stick in your head more because that Chad lived up to the expectation of the name. As for every Chad you encountered that didn't meet those criteria? Forgotten within a few days. Confirmation Bias is a real phenomenon. Our brains are hard wired to remember certain things that meet our innate expectations as a survival mechanism.
 
Its really not, but at the same time it is. When someone conforms to the stereotype of a given name, such as a "Chad" being 6'2" with a 6 pack and a beard, it will stick in your head more because that Chad lived up to the expectation of the name. As for every Chad you encountered that didn't meet those criteria? Forgotten within a few days. Confirmation Bias is a real phenomenon. Our brains are hard wired to remember certain things that meet our innate expectations as a survival mechanism.
In the same way I've met Kyles who are pretty nice and pleasant to be around, and Kyles who are total pieces of shit.
 
Of course. Name stereotypes have existed for thousands of years for a reason. Conversely, unique people have unique names because their parents are unique. Think of Frank Zappa naming his kid Moon Unit, or Robin Williams naming his kid Zelda or whatever. And Barron Trump.
Well, some people do it to be "special", like Elon Musk naming his children.
Guess it has to do a lot with fashion of that time. If someone gives their kid a name that is currently trendy in their age group and class, the kid will be raised the way to be conforming and adopt the styles of their social bubble, too.
Hence, there are the ''Karens'', but that's more a style than a particular kind of face.
Or ''Sebix'', because too many of Eastern euro young men of questionable upbringing who like revving their shitty old BMW, tend to be named Sebastian or something.
And, well, in my age group here, every man is named Jan and in case he's not (because he is a Tomas) , he has a brother who is one so there is a very high probability to be right.
Its really not, but at the same time it is. When someone conforms to the stereotype of a given name, such as a "Chad" being 6'2" with a 6 pack and a beard, it will stick in your head more because that Chad lived up to the expectation of the name. As for every Chad you encountered that didn't meet those criteria? Forgotten within a few days. Confirmation Bias is a real phenomenon. Our brains are hard wired to remember certain things that meet our innate expectations as a survival mechanism.
But that doesn't explain why it's sometimes ridiculously easy to predict the names of certain people, where direct correlation should be non-existent between name & face.

I think I'm at such high levels right now of having successfully predicted IRL the names of a bunch of Evas, Alejandras, Raquels, Ricardos, Lauras, etc. For no reason, why did it feel so right that those letters were in their names when I saw them?

Last time it happened was some weeks ago at the bus stop, I told myself this random woman has a face of whatever moniker it was, oh so she must be called (that name where it comes from).
When I was about to leave, her friend showed up and yelled the moniker/nickname to her, that I for some reason thought of a couple of minutes before. And it's not like the name was stereotypical of any particular set of people, so that made no sense.

It's only for some people that it's so easy.
 
Hmmm, so I came of age in a time when there was a lot of discourse about how parents should give their baby girls “serious”, classic or androgynous names so that they could succeed in cutthroat professional environments. The idea being that Tiffany, Krystal, and Shayla could never be hired into high-level roles.

30 years later, I’ve seen each of these names and worse in law firm partners, bankers, surgeons, etc. I still think they’re dumb names but things didn’t pan out like everyone was panicking over in the 90’s.
 
I think I'm at such high levels right now of having successfully predicted IRL the names of a bunch of Evas, Alejandras, Raquels, Ricardos, Lauras, etc. For no reason, why did it feel so right that those letters were in their names when I saw them?
The confirmation bias comes from the people creating the test. They will include a few Chad's that meet the accepted cognitive understanding of what a Chad looks like.

This is the dirty secret of all statistical studies. The result is as much informative on the people who set up the test as it is the people who take it.
 
The confirmation bias comes from the people creating the test. They will include a few Chad's that meet the accepted cognitive understanding of what a Chad looks like.

This is the dirty secret of all statistical studies. The result is as much informative on the people who set up the test as it is the people who take it.
But I have not taken any of those tests, I'm just talking about personal experience.
 
I guess from a occultist perspective names could be considered symbolic sigils/egregores. The more common the name, the more likely the bias is true due to the sigil being "overcharged" by collective thoughtforms and psychic residue, though it could possibly be explained through numerology. There's an infamous Jewish story on how Jesus "stole" the name of God from the temple by hiding the scroll in his cut-up thigh, using it for miracles and to heal people.
 
I am not Jewish, (Anglo/German Amerimutt), last name is Anglo but have a very Jewish first name from the Old Testament. I say this because my family (immediate and extended) is not Jewish-looking and is generally outgoing, sports oriented, and "normie" but I look moderately Jewish and have a predilection for antisocial introversion, reading, weird spiritual shit, paranoia, etc.

I am only a sample size of one, but ever since learning about the concept of nominative determinism, I looked at myself and thought that maybe there is something to it.

My best guess at explaining a cause for such a phenomenon, would be that, building off the Platonic idea of abstract concepts being "real" things, a name is a kind of abstract concept with, as you point out, certain connotations. Perhaps individual names are a sort of concept unto themselves, and impart certain predispositions on those who bear them. Alternately, if you believe the more esoteric concepts like reality itself being created through collective belief, then the collective assumptions people make about your name (even if those people never met you) will cause your personality to be shaped based on those assumptions solely because you have a particular name.

Regarding face matching to names- I don't have a strong opinion on that, have seen instances both confirming and denying it. Possibly a real thing but not consistent, in my experience. I think a more provable thing is physiognomy, i.e. being able to determine personality traits/character based on facial features. That is, in my experience, more consistent.
 
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