Opinion Why Europe Still Misreads America - Why Germans fear American religion, and what this reveals about Europe.

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In my family, Sunday coffee was a blood sport. My grandfather, a former Wehrmacht soldier, stood on the political Right. My aunt, a passionate participant in the 1968 student movement, stood on the Left. Almost the only thing they agreed upon was their antipathy to Americans, expressed with identical certainty from opposite ends of the kitchen table. I was ten years old when I started paying attention to this. It was the late 1970s, and I watched political talk shows and Lou Grant—the American newsroom drama set at the fictional Los Angeles Tribune—with equal fascination. I tried to understand why the adults around me enthusiastically consumed American culture even as they denounced the country that produced it.
The standard narrative places the origins of European anti-Americanism somewhere around the Iraq War. The real history is older and stranger. In 1761, the French naturalist Georges-Louis Leclerc, Comte de Buffon, published his hypothesis that the New World was biologically “degenerate”—everything in America, he claimed, was smaller, weaker, and less vital than in Europe, including the people. Thomas Jefferson was so incensed that he had a stuffed moose shipped to Paris to prove Buffon wrong. The German poet Heinrich Heine, meanwhile, called America “that pig-pen of freedom, inhabited by boors living in equality.”

What interests me about these early critics is not their inaccuracy but their consistency. The specific complaints change every generation—too primitive, too powerful, too capitalist, too confident—but the underlying mechanism does not. You do not spend 276 years obsessing over something you merely dislike. That is the behaviour of someone working through a deeper anxiety.
I identified this pattern through experience. A German engineer drives a Tesla to work, uses Google for research, streams Netflix at night, and delivers a confident lecture about American cultural shallowness over dinner. A German politician tweets outrage about American climate policy from a country that had to reopen coal plants after it shut down its nuclear reactors. The pattern transcends political affiliation: during the Trump years, I watched the German Left discover a passion for criticising America that the German Right had practised for generations. The vocabulary changed—from “American vulgarity” to “threats to the liberal order”—but the emotional register was identical. My grandfather and my aunt said “damn Yanks” with the same conviction, and their political grandchildren have inherited this bipartisan reflex intact.

But there is one aspect that cuts deeper than debates about foreign policy or capitalism, and that is religion. When German observers confront American religiosity, something happens that goes beyond cultural criticism. It triggers genuine bewilderment that often shades into alarm. According to 2022 data, 37 percent of Americans describe religion as “very important” in their lives. In Germany, the figure is thirteen percent. For most European intellectuals, this God gap confirms a simple diagnosis: that America is backward and still awaiting the secularisation that Europe completed decades ago.

It should be noted that the gap is a lot narrower than it has been in recent years. In 2007, 56 percent of Americans described religion as “very important” in their lives. Church attendance and daily prayer have declined in parallel. On its face, this trajectory appears to confirm the European expectation that America is secularising, merely more slowly. But the character of American secularisation differs from Europe’s in ways that matter.
First, the decline appears to have stabilised; Pew’s most recent data show relatively little volatility since 2020 across key indicators. Second, America’s religiously unaffiliated—now roughly 28 percent of adults—are not secular in the German sense. Most still profess belief in God or a higher power; they have rejected institutions more than metaphysics. Third, the civic infrastructure built by American churches over two centuries does not vanish when attendance declines. Traditions of voluntary association, local self-organisation, philanthropy, and lay leadership persist beyond formal membership. The institutional habits outlast the theology.

The discrepancy between Europe and the US may have begun as far back as the Reformation. Both Germany and America are children of Protestant theology, but they are children who drew radically different lessons from the same parent. Luther taught submission to temporal authority, as in Romans 13:1: “Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities.” The good Lutheran was obedient, orderly, and deeply suspicious of enthusiasm. Faith was a private matter, not a source of public energy. Certain strands of German Protestant political theology tended toward hierarchy, deference to credentialed authority, and a melancholy inwardness that shaped political culture for centuries—with consequences that ranged from impressive institutional discipline to, in its darker moments, a dangerous vulnerability to authoritarian appeals.
Calvin taught something different. Prosperity was a sign of divine favour. Work was a calling. The community of believers was a voluntary association of equals. When Calvinists arrived in America—Puritans, Huguenots, Presbyterians, Dutch Reformed—they brought a theology that was essentially entrepreneurial. American churches became competitive enterprises: they innovate, market, fail, merge, reinvent. European state churches, by contrast, operate like monopolies: they are funded by taxes, governed by bureaucracies, responsive to no one in particular.
The result, over four centuries, was two fundamentally different institutional environments built on the same Reformation foundation. To understand America without understanding this divergence is like trying to understand water without knowing about hydrogen. And this is where European analysis most consistently fails. The misunderstanding is not about theology—it is about institutions. The secret of American religion is not that Americans believe more, but that they organise better.

Go to an American church—any church, from a black Baptist congregation in Atlanta to a Pentecostal megachurch in Texas—and watch what happens outside the sanctuary. People organise. They raise money. They speak in public. They debate governance. They manage budgets, staff, and real estate. They build networks that cross racial, economic, and professional lines. They practise the skills of democratic self-governance every single week, in an environment that is voluntary, competitive, and answerable to its members.
Tocqueville noticed this in 1835, and it remains true today. American churches are not just places of worship; they are arguably the most distributed civic training network in modern history. The skills Americans develop in churches—public speaking, fundraising, community organising, conflict resolution, leadership—transfer directly into business, politics, and civil society. This is the social capital, in Robert Putnam’s terminology, that American religious life generates as a byproduct of its primary mission. Where Europe centralised faith in monumental institutions, America decentralised it into networks of voluntary association. When European intellectuals dismiss American religiosity as irrational, they are dismissing the most powerful engine of voluntary civic life in the modern world—without understanding the institutional incentive structure that makes it work.
There is one more observation that I think deserves consideration, though it will not make me popular on either side of the Atlantic. The Great Awakenings that periodically swept America—in the 1730s, the 1800s, the 1850s, and the 1970s—share a recognisable architecture: a conviction of moral crisis, a call to purification, a division between the enlightened and the benighted, and a promise of transformation through collective commitment to new values.
The progressive movement that has significantly influenced Western institutional culture since roughly 2014 exhibits a strikingly similar structure: moral crisis (systemic injustice), purification ritual (acknowledgment of privilege), insider–outsider boundary (the awakened and the unawakened), and transformative promise (equity, diversity, inclusion). In my religious youth, I was told not to listen to the Rolling Stones because they were “devil worshippers.” Today, speakers are disinvited from universities because their ideas are “harmful.” The vocabulary has changed. The cognitive architecture has not.
This is not a polemical point but an analytical one. If the parallel holds, it suggests that secular Europe has not transcended religious patterns of thought so much as adopted them without the institutional infrastructure—the self-correcting mechanisms, the theological traditions of internal debate—that organised religion has developed over millennia. American religion, for all its excesses, has centuries of experience managing the tension between conviction and tolerance. The newer secular variants have none. The question is whether they will develop such mechanisms, or whether the absence of them will prove costly.

Europe’s most secular major nation is obsessed with the West’s most religious one. The obsession exists not despite the religious difference but because of it. American faith represents an alternative institutional model—decentralised, voluntary, competitive—that generates civic energy in ways European state structures do not. Understanding this model on its own terms, rather than through European assumptions about what secularisation should look like, is not merely an academic exercise. It is a prerequisite for any serious transatlantic relationship.

Americans have many problems. An inability to argue is not one of them. The God gap is not a measure of backwardness. It is a difference in institutional imagination—one that shapes civic energy, social capital, and ultimately political resilience.
 
I think making the Church a community place instead of the Sunday morning building is necessary. Demography is what matters ultimately, and how would you make new Catholic if you don't organize a way for Catholics to meet ?
From one Catholic to another: "Your life may be the only Gospel someone ever reads". Souls are saved and the world is changed by our example, not our opinion.

Christianity isn't merely a political ideology or philosophical worldview. Nor is evangelization as easy as in a strategy game where you walk up to someone and "wololo" at them onto your side. It's a relationship with Jesus Christ.

It's our mission to be Jesus to other people. Don't be disheartened if people reject you or are uninterested; the same thing happened to the Apostles and Jesus Himself many times.

You wanna make Europe Catholic again? It's gonna take one person at a time. It will require you to plant the seeds of a tree whose shade you will never sit beneath.
 
. Nor is evangelization as easy as in a strategy game where you walk up to someone and "wololo" at them onto your side.
The degree to which 'evolved' and 'thinking' people on the left believe this is how it works is evident in how they are sure every election loss was just a "messaging issue" - they didn't put the accent on the right syllable of "wololo".

They'll get it next time.

NEXT time.


There's only so many ways you can pronounce it, right?
 
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To be fair, I don't exactly know how life is in the US, in the same way those redditors don't know how life is in Europe. It doesn't even make sense, I'm sure life is fairly different between California and Ohio, or between France and Bulgaria.
One of the reasons I decided to make a KF account was to be able to ask directly to the Americans here what's happening in your country, and to be able to post informations about mine. Spreading information about it is the best way to stop those errors.


Here in France, we have volunteering, but it's mostly hidden and you need to actively search it to find it. I'm trying to be active in my parish, but I often discover new activities and communities and that I would have loved to know sooner. In order to make France Catholic again, I think making the Church a community place instead of the Sunday morning building is necessary. Demography is what matters ultimately, and how would you make new Catholic if you don't organize a way for Catholics to meet ?
I don't know where you are in France, but where I am, there is zero community life around the churches despite the fact that everyone is Catholic and most of the kids go to Catholic school. The minimum age to attend Mass around here appears to be around 80. I stopped going because of the shitty way that the church treated parishioners during the lockdowns.
 
From one Catholic to another: "Your life may be the only Gospel someone ever reads". Souls are saved and the world is changed by our example, not our opinion.
I think this cuts in a strange way when you talk to people about hard sciences and it ultimately aligns with a biblical worldview , there's been a great effort to paint Christians as backwards hics when that's simply not true (at least totally, there are unfortunately many who do not do their due diligence to love the Lord with their mind), now i say this because you said "not our opinion" and i believe there's opinions and then there's facts which can be proven which point towards God, but at the same time we must always do things with respect and kindness or whatever the verse is. you don't point anyone towards God if you end up technically right but piss people off by being a dickhead, something i've found myself failing before.
 
Doesn't work with niggers and immigrants already abusing medicare
Tbf, there is something to this, an issue that negatively affects Americans that is generally being ignored.

The simple facts are that Europeans on average actually spend much less of their GDP per capita (which is lower than the U.S.' to begin with) on their healthcare, yet aren't getting charged a second time when they receive that healthcare, unlike Americans.

I usually see people claiming that European countries have "free" healthcare (as in, healthcare they only have to pay for once through taxes, and then get to access) because of funding from other countries. But if that was true, the GDP per capita they save on spending on things like military would then have to go towards their healthcare system. In reality, both Europeans' military spending and healthcare spending by GPD per capita is lower than the U.S.'

So Americans are getting shafted somehow. In a way that has nothing to do with Europe. In a way they shouldn't be. The question is how and why and how to solve that. Cause right now, Americans get fucked twice, once when they pay taxes and then again when they ask to receive that healthcare they already paid for when they are asked to pay for it a second time.
 
Tbf, there is something to this, an issue that negatively affects Americans that is generally being ignored.

The simple facts are that Europeans on average actually spend much less of their GDP per capita (which is lower than the U.S.' to begin with) on their healthcare, yet aren't getting charged a second time when they receive that healthcare, unlike Americans.

I usually see people claiming that European countries have "free" healthcare (as in, healthcare they only have to pay for once through taxes, and then get to access) because of funding from other countries. But if that was true, the GDP per capita they save on spending on things like military would then have to go towards their healthcare system. In reality, both Europeans' military spending and healthcare spending by GPD per capita is lower than the U.S.'

So Americans are getting shafted somehow. In a way that has nothing to do with Europe. In a way they shouldn't be. The question is how and why and how to solve that. Cause right now, Americans get fucked twice, once when they pay taxes and then again when they ask to receive that healthcare they already paid for when they are asked to pay for it a second time.
I heard someone say we have like 10 million illegals in the US, if that's true our costs on them must be insane.
 
, there's been a great effort to paint Christians as backwards hics when that's simply not true
The post WWII orthodoxy of "the path to the future is that of liberal progressivism, and those who do not take it are stuck in Alabama circa 1955 where they spend every day fearing God and black people" is where this comes from.

And it's not just Europe that believes it, they got it from American leftists who came up with all the tropes first.
 
here they spend every day fearing God and black people
Well that's just common sense of course....I'm only like half joking saying this too.
The article is about how this is a misdiagnosis, retard.
Yes i made a mistake, i apologized a few posts later.
Isn't the UK NHS collapsing because of the Muslim influx?
It would not surprise me that muslims would drain resources on countries they migrate to due to the insane incompatibility.
 
I heard someone say we have like 10 million illegals in the US, if that's true our costs on them must be insane.
We almost certainly have at least twice that, and that is JUST the straight border-hoppers. That's not counting fraudulent visa holders, H1B pajeets, and other forms of immigration fraud.

I'd say the true number of real Americans, born in the USA to American parents who aren't "2nd/3rd/4th generation immigrants", is probably hovering around 240mil, at most.
 
Europe's is a farce anyways because Americans cover the would-be loss.

Remember when that got revealed last year?
Can you go into this more?
Don't forget the medication cost differences, where Americans used to pay obscene prices to make up for European countries paying comparatively little.
You as well, i would love to know how America actually is the reason europe doesn't suck so hard.
We almost certainly have at least twice that, and that is JUST the straight border-hoppers. That's not counting fraudulent visa holders, H1B pajeets, and other forms of immigration fraud.

I'd say the true number of real Americans, born in the USA to American parents who aren't "2nd/3rd/4th generation immigrants", is probably hovering around 240mil, at most.
Here's hoping we get more ICE agents trained as soon as possible and start enforcing border security even harder.
 
The post WWII orthodoxy of "the path to the future is that of liberal progressivism, and those who do not take it are stuck in Alabama circa 1955 where they spend every day fearing God and black people" is where this comes from.

And it's not just Europe that believes it, they got it from American leftists who came up with all the tropes first.
This honestly. The few europeans I've ever met who disliked America were literally just spouting the same couple talking points you see repeated in every Hollywood, jew-produced, leftist movie. "Muh americans are fat trailer trash playing banjos in the woods." You don't develop that kind of view as a european by yourself.
 
You as well, i would love to know how America actually is the reason europe doesn't suck so hard.
I will have to go digging later, but there was an article posted on AnH of some European country bitching that Trump's policy of only buying medications from companies if they price matched the lowest price they charged another country fucked them over.
 
Isn't the UK NHS collapsing because of the Muslim influx?
From what I understand talking to bongs (feel free to correct me) is that illegal boat people and similar moochers are at least straining it.

With socialized healthcare, people are way more comfortable with paternalistic legislation relating to health decisions because they all pay for each other. Like shit that would make most Americans bristle, like smoking bans and soda taxes. Some shitty blue cities here are trying that shit, but it's widespread in Europe. Like full calorie sprite isn't super easy to find in Bongland. But that's OK and works with their culture because they're all in it together with the NHS.

In the US, if someone tried to tell me not to smoke or to put down the fifth cheeseburger, I'd tell them to fuck right off. But that's OK because I (largely) pay for my own vices.

They have more of a moral license to boss each other around healthwise because they are all financially interested in each other's wellbeing.

That's why I think America popping off about mooching illegals is just a taste of what we're going to see going down in Europe if things continue the way they are.

It's bad enough when they mooch here off of what few public services we have. But a super socialized European country where everything is subsidized by the taxpayer to an insane degree? I think that's a pressure cooker.
 
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Can you go into this more?
I will have to go digging later
Nah I got you, that thread was memorable for Euros complaining.

Again, Americans were taking the bulk of costs to make up for European laws forcing a "price reduction"
Which is why Switzerland bitching is hilarious. These aren’t third world countries getting the same medications for half the price. Europeans have enjoyed subsidized drugs on the backs of American taxpayers that go bankrupt paying for care.

All that said, our insurance system is a fucking nightmare that adds billions to the costs of care. Just the administrative costs to dealing with insurance is enormous. I honestly don’t know what the solution is at home, but the Euros can get fucked crying about paying more. I’m so sick of Americans subsidizing the entire fucking planet.
 
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