Opinion Why Europe Still Misreads America - Why Germans fear American religion, and what this reveals about Europe.

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In my family, Sunday coffee was a blood sport. My grandfather, a former Wehrmacht soldier, stood on the political Right. My aunt, a passionate participant in the 1968 student movement, stood on the Left. Almost the only thing they agreed upon was their antipathy to Americans, expressed with identical certainty from opposite ends of the kitchen table. I was ten years old when I started paying attention to this. It was the late 1970s, and I watched political talk shows and Lou Grant—the American newsroom drama set at the fictional Los Angeles Tribune—with equal fascination. I tried to understand why the adults around me enthusiastically consumed American culture even as they denounced the country that produced it.
The standard narrative places the origins of European anti-Americanism somewhere around the Iraq War. The real history is older and stranger. In 1761, the French naturalist Georges-Louis Leclerc, Comte de Buffon, published his hypothesis that the New World was biologically “degenerate”—everything in America, he claimed, was smaller, weaker, and less vital than in Europe, including the people. Thomas Jefferson was so incensed that he had a stuffed moose shipped to Paris to prove Buffon wrong. The German poet Heinrich Heine, meanwhile, called America “that pig-pen of freedom, inhabited by boors living in equality.”

What interests me about these early critics is not their inaccuracy but their consistency. The specific complaints change every generation—too primitive, too powerful, too capitalist, too confident—but the underlying mechanism does not. You do not spend 276 years obsessing over something you merely dislike. That is the behaviour of someone working through a deeper anxiety.
I identified this pattern through experience. A German engineer drives a Tesla to work, uses Google for research, streams Netflix at night, and delivers a confident lecture about American cultural shallowness over dinner. A German politician tweets outrage about American climate policy from a country that had to reopen coal plants after it shut down its nuclear reactors. The pattern transcends political affiliation: during the Trump years, I watched the German Left discover a passion for criticising America that the German Right had practised for generations. The vocabulary changed—from “American vulgarity” to “threats to the liberal order”—but the emotional register was identical. My grandfather and my aunt said “damn Yanks” with the same conviction, and their political grandchildren have inherited this bipartisan reflex intact.

But there is one aspect that cuts deeper than debates about foreign policy or capitalism, and that is religion. When German observers confront American religiosity, something happens that goes beyond cultural criticism. It triggers genuine bewilderment that often shades into alarm. According to 2022 data, 37 percent of Americans describe religion as “very important” in their lives. In Germany, the figure is thirteen percent. For most European intellectuals, this God gap confirms a simple diagnosis: that America is backward and still awaiting the secularisation that Europe completed decades ago.

It should be noted that the gap is a lot narrower than it has been in recent years. In 2007, 56 percent of Americans described religion as “very important” in their lives. Church attendance and daily prayer have declined in parallel. On its face, this trajectory appears to confirm the European expectation that America is secularising, merely more slowly. But the character of American secularisation differs from Europe’s in ways that matter.
First, the decline appears to have stabilised; Pew’s most recent data show relatively little volatility since 2020 across key indicators. Second, America’s religiously unaffiliated—now roughly 28 percent of adults—are not secular in the German sense. Most still profess belief in God or a higher power; they have rejected institutions more than metaphysics. Third, the civic infrastructure built by American churches over two centuries does not vanish when attendance declines. Traditions of voluntary association, local self-organisation, philanthropy, and lay leadership persist beyond formal membership. The institutional habits outlast the theology.

The discrepancy between Europe and the US may have begun as far back as the Reformation. Both Germany and America are children of Protestant theology, but they are children who drew radically different lessons from the same parent. Luther taught submission to temporal authority, as in Romans 13:1: “Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities.” The good Lutheran was obedient, orderly, and deeply suspicious of enthusiasm. Faith was a private matter, not a source of public energy. Certain strands of German Protestant political theology tended toward hierarchy, deference to credentialed authority, and a melancholy inwardness that shaped political culture for centuries—with consequences that ranged from impressive institutional discipline to, in its darker moments, a dangerous vulnerability to authoritarian appeals.
Calvin taught something different. Prosperity was a sign of divine favour. Work was a calling. The community of believers was a voluntary association of equals. When Calvinists arrived in America—Puritans, Huguenots, Presbyterians, Dutch Reformed—they brought a theology that was essentially entrepreneurial. American churches became competitive enterprises: they innovate, market, fail, merge, reinvent. European state churches, by contrast, operate like monopolies: they are funded by taxes, governed by bureaucracies, responsive to no one in particular.
The result, over four centuries, was two fundamentally different institutional environments built on the same Reformation foundation. To understand America without understanding this divergence is like trying to understand water without knowing about hydrogen. And this is where European analysis most consistently fails. The misunderstanding is not about theology—it is about institutions. The secret of American religion is not that Americans believe more, but that they organise better.

Go to an American church—any church, from a black Baptist congregation in Atlanta to a Pentecostal megachurch in Texas—and watch what happens outside the sanctuary. People organise. They raise money. They speak in public. They debate governance. They manage budgets, staff, and real estate. They build networks that cross racial, economic, and professional lines. They practise the skills of democratic self-governance every single week, in an environment that is voluntary, competitive, and answerable to its members.
Tocqueville noticed this in 1835, and it remains true today. American churches are not just places of worship; they are arguably the most distributed civic training network in modern history. The skills Americans develop in churches—public speaking, fundraising, community organising, conflict resolution, leadership—transfer directly into business, politics, and civil society. This is the social capital, in Robert Putnam’s terminology, that American religious life generates as a byproduct of its primary mission. Where Europe centralised faith in monumental institutions, America decentralised it into networks of voluntary association. When European intellectuals dismiss American religiosity as irrational, they are dismissing the most powerful engine of voluntary civic life in the modern world—without understanding the institutional incentive structure that makes it work.
There is one more observation that I think deserves consideration, though it will not make me popular on either side of the Atlantic. The Great Awakenings that periodically swept America—in the 1730s, the 1800s, the 1850s, and the 1970s—share a recognisable architecture: a conviction of moral crisis, a call to purification, a division between the enlightened and the benighted, and a promise of transformation through collective commitment to new values.
The progressive movement that has significantly influenced Western institutional culture since roughly 2014 exhibits a strikingly similar structure: moral crisis (systemic injustice), purification ritual (acknowledgment of privilege), insider–outsider boundary (the awakened and the unawakened), and transformative promise (equity, diversity, inclusion). In my religious youth, I was told not to listen to the Rolling Stones because they were “devil worshippers.” Today, speakers are disinvited from universities because their ideas are “harmful.” The vocabulary has changed. The cognitive architecture has not.
This is not a polemical point but an analytical one. If the parallel holds, it suggests that secular Europe has not transcended religious patterns of thought so much as adopted them without the institutional infrastructure—the self-correcting mechanisms, the theological traditions of internal debate—that organised religion has developed over millennia. American religion, for all its excesses, has centuries of experience managing the tension between conviction and tolerance. The newer secular variants have none. The question is whether they will develop such mechanisms, or whether the absence of them will prove costly.

Europe’s most secular major nation is obsessed with the West’s most religious one. The obsession exists not despite the religious difference but because of it. American faith represents an alternative institutional model—decentralised, voluntary, competitive—that generates civic energy in ways European state structures do not. Understanding this model on its own terms, rather than through European assumptions about what secularisation should look like, is not merely an academic exercise. It is a prerequisite for any serious transatlantic relationship.

Americans have many problems. An inability to argue is not one of them. The God gap is not a measure of backwardness. It is a difference in institutional imagination—one that shapes civic energy, social capital, and ultimately political resilience.
 
For most European intellectuals, this God gap confirms a simple diagnosis: that America is backward and still awaiting the secularisation that Europe completed decades ago.
Oh fuck off, not reading anymore with this tired and false bullshit of the Godless thinking they're enlightened when most advancements were due to religious thinkers
 
Oh fuck off, not reading anymore with this tired and false bullshit of the Godless thinking they're enlightened when most advancements were due to religious thinkers
You should really finish it. It does praise the church being a central part of the American ideals of self governance and "No kings" mentality.
 
I won't argue about the differences between the German and American Protestant churches, as a Catholic I don't know much about it. I like the idea of including more volunteering and organization in our churches though, as a Catholic it's something we really struggle with, and it will be necessary to recreate a real community aspect in our life.

I also don't think the disdain for America coming from Europe is about religion. In France, I don't hear that much about it, people are mostly criticizing other stuff, like the fact that your country is only 300 years old, or that you don't have universal healthcare like us. I think it's not so much about the "bad" aspects of America than it is about the superiority complex we have over other countries though. There is the same amount of criticisms about Germany (barbaric alcoholics trying to rule Europe), England (ugly bastards with horrific food, and you burned Joan of Arc), Spain (lazy brown men sleeping all day under the sun), etc...
 
No, they are backwards, brutish, loutish oafs thst worship jew idols and are only good at bashing Israel's targets.

Only a modern german would be buck broken enough to think otherwise.
Cope europoor cope.

Last i checked, germans are still prostrating at the feet of the Jew(That is a good thing btw), which is why the german public has decided that germans being raped by mass migration is worth it , just so they are not called racists.Based tbh
 
Doesn't work with niggers and immigrants already abusing medicare
Yeah dude it's totally the niggers' fault we can't have free healthcare. Not that both Dems and Reps receive billions of campaign dollars from Big Pharma and that healthcare company CEOs and various other billionaires cannot imagine making less than a gorillion dollars a second. It's the niggers.
 
Yeah dude it's totally the niggers' fault we can't have free healthcare. Not that both Dems and Reps receive billions of campaign dollars from Big Pharma and that healthcare company CEOs and various other billionaires cannot imagine making less than a gorillion dollars a second. It's the niggers.
Care to guess how much medical aid costs are wasted on niggers and illegals? im not saying you're wrong on ceos acting like they're fucking king Solomon though.
 
I also don't think the disdain for America coming from Europe is about religion. In France, I don't hear that much about it, people are mostly criticizing other stuff, like the fact that your country is only 300 years old, or that you don't have universal healthcare like us.
Complaining about American evangelicals, weird sects like Mormonism and for-profit megachurches is there, but my circles also lean more religious so the atheists might just be repeating the "dumb Christian hicks" stereotype as usual. From my observation, a lot of the anti-America disdain comes from how in the 50s-80s, Europe copied a lot of American policies and American culture which ended up with disastrous effects. Usually the war on drugs/DARE, anti-communism and sexual prudishness get pointed out as bad imports. Less mentioned but even more damaging are the civil rights reforms, immigration reforms, workforce reforms and banking reforms. "B-but at least we have healthcare tho!" is clinging on to any remnant of superiority even though we stupidly copied America's worst policies like lemmings and fell to the same fate.
 
Almost the only thing they agreed upon was their antipathy to Americans
- liberates you from the horrors of sovereignty
- "re-educates"
- imposes an alien system of government on you
- half the country turned over to the Soviets
- signs off on violent expulsion of German minorities
- military occupation
- floods you with cultural propaganda that alienates your own kids from you
- constant political meddling
- pressures you into accepting more "guest workers" from incompatible cultures
- starts twenty years of pointless wars leading to huge refugee streams
- interferes in energy policy by putting sanctions on Nord Stream
- Provokes a proxy war in Europe, then lets Europeans hold the bag
- lets their Ukrainian pets blow up Nord Stream
- harasses you about increasing your military spending, but is suddenly "strenuously opposed" when it comes to actually securing your sovereignty with nuclear weapons
- latest gerontocrat in charge threatens territorial integrity of European nations for shits and giggles
- starts another war with potentially devastating effects on global energy markets

Why don't they like Americans? Religious differences.
 
- liberates you from the horrors of sovereignty
- "re-educates"
- imposes an alien system of government on you
- half the country turned over to the Soviets
- signs off on violent expulsion of German minorities
- military occupation
- floods you with cultural propaganda that alienates your own kids from you
- constant political meddling
- pressures you into accepting more "guest workers" from incompatible cultures
- starts twenty years of pointless wars leading to huge refugee streams
- interferes in energy policy by putting sanctions on Nord Stream
- Provokes a proxy war in Europe, then lets Europeans hold the bag
- lets their Ukrainian pets blow up Nord Stream
- harasses you about increasing your military spending, but is suddenly "strenuously opposed" when it comes to actually securing your sovereignty with nuclear weapons
- latest gerontocrat in charge threatens territorial integrity of European nations for shits and giggles
- starts another war with potentially devastating effects on global energy markets

Why don't they like Americans? Religious differences.
None of this explains the left-wing German dislike of Americans (which is particularly prominent currently) that does in fact narrow down to "they're stupid polluting religious chuds."
 
'Europe is paradise compared to the US' is one of the basic and foundational memes on the internet. Almost to the point where you don't have a true internet community unless you have one or more shitheads spouting it. Its obviously more popular in leftleaning places, most prominently these days Reddit. But its common enough that its sort of a default unthinking assumption even among many 'normies'.

Its kind of funny how much the disconnect between this meme and reality has grown with how far the US has pulled ahead of Europe over the past couple of decades. It wasn't true when it really got popularized on the internet during the Shrub II years, or really ever arguably, and its even less true today. Yet at the same time its believed more fervently than ever. And I wish more people noticed.

Despite how obvious it should be, the average person in the US and the EU probably isn't even aware just how far ahead the US is where you can >2x your salary for the same job or how the EU basically doesn't have a tech sector like the US or China does.

They have even less clue just how much the US supports Europe in uncountable ways from keeping the seas clear for global trade with its naval power to both developing and subsidizing drug prices for the rest of the world.
 
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I like the idea of including more volunteering and organization in our churches though, as a Catholic it's something we really struggle with, and it will be necessary to recreate a real community aspect in our life.
In America, the Catholic churches have the same volunteer opportunities as the Protestant churches. Our local KoC is always running something, be it organizing a community hike for charity, or running the local homeless shelters and soup kitchens. Although, like any church, it's really the same ten-twelve people volunteering for everything. So there's that.
 
Its kind of funny how much the disconnect between this meme and reality has gotten
To be fair, I don't exactly know how life is in the US, in the same way those redditors don't know how life is in Europe. It doesn't even make sense, I'm sure life is fairly different between California and Ohio, or between France and Bulgaria.
One of the reasons I decided to make a KF account was to be able to ask directly to the Americans here what's happening in your country, and to be able to post informations about mine. Spreading information about it is the best way to stop those errors.

In America, the Catholic churches have the same volunteer opportunities as the Protestant churches. Our local KoC is always running something, be it organizing a community hike for charity, or running the local homeless shelters and soup kitchens. Although, like any church, it's really the same ten-twelve people volunteering for everything. So there's that.
Here in France, we have volunteering, but it's mostly hidden and you need to actively search it to find it. I'm trying to be active in my parish, but I often discover new activities and communities and that I would have loved to know sooner. In order to make France Catholic again, I think making the Church a community place instead of the Sunday morning building is necessary. Demography is what matters ultimately, and how would you make new Catholic if you don't organize a way for Catholics to meet ?
 
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