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USUS Politics General 2: Hope Edition - Discussion of President Trump and other politicians
Being fair, Trump was a high profile person heavily connected to many industries from politics to Hollywood. Shit happening at his parties is likely par for the course given so much of that scene are shady fucks. He likely wouldn't even know who around him is suspect of anything given the secrecy of it all.
If we are going by company, tons of actors and politicians would be fucked via association with the typical predators. Weinstein was around a ton of high profile people, so was Diddy and of course the man of the hour, Epstein. Hell, we can say the Obamas were complicent in child sexual activity given Michelle was around, and starred in shows from the Nickelodeon feet man: Ver archivo adjunto 8606554
Even using Nick as an example, plenty of actors were fully unaware of the child sexual abuse going on while working directly with the victims and victimizers. Not everyone has a repertoire of their guest list and the crimes they commited, they were likely just associates or other big names.
Epstein himself was a big player in Trump's field. Them colliding was inevitable, and given Jeffy's characteristics, I wouldn't put it past him to try shit under Trump's nose. Clearly, when Trump picked up on things, he terminated the relationship, which says far more than what was happening before. Unless Trump is directly involved, I don't see this as a strong argument.
Another thing that people aren't considering is if you're Trump and you think this guy is creepy and shady, all you can do is terminate your relationship with him if you can't PROVE anything.
There's a huge difference between leaning over to your friend and saying "I don't like the way that dude leers at my daughter. He's a fucking creeper, fella" and publicly accusing a man who probably spent more a year on the retainer for his team of lawyers then most of us on this website make collectively.
Not to mention the fact that if Trump would have said something without proof it would have cut off his access to a lot of big banking and real estate people in the New York area.
So basically he was stuck with having suspicions and not associating with the guy or trying to blow the whistle and tanking his professional life and what I would assume were his political chances.
The shit from the Epstein files that all the TDS people are missing are things like Kathryn Ruemmler, Obama's former White House counsel, who was just awarded the highest honor the CIA offers, immediately contacting Jeffery to celebrate it.
They're not missing anything. They're purposefully ignoring anything and everything that can't be used to attack Trump. It's as transparently obvious at this point as it is pathetic.
Hypothetically, how would Trump even deal with them? We are in a period right now of rampant jury nullification based on political bias. Not only the people he will be going after can afford a crack team of lawyers, but he jury might be inclined to find them innocent just to spite Trump.
they would continue to dig through every bit of data, literally, for anything with his name on it, strip it of all context, and lie about it until the end of time.
We are allowed to separate if we vote to. The rules were all codified in the run-up to the last Quebec referendum, and in his zeal to scare Quebecers out of voting to secede, Jean Chrétien codified the process in such a way that we will bankrupt Canada on our way out as a special little bonus.
There are the "Rules" (puts a smile on face), and then there are the *RULES* (puts on firm, angry face). Consider when the Irish people didn't want to join the EU, voted not to, then were forced to re-vote over and over again because their government was not going to take "no" for an answer.
this was Trump's first term. Biden was the president through COVID, where travel was curtailed.
Trump's entire platform centers on bailouts for big tech and H1Bs/Indian "expertise". And remember Elon Musk? Letting tech CEOs have offices in the White House is helping the American worker, how exactly?
Trump is the one propping Vivek up in Ohio as the leading R candidate, and Donalds in Florida who is equally bad. Don't forget VA, NJ, NC... Trump is, quite literally gutting his own party, and any likeable candidates, for political nepotism.
When you're sitting in front of the computer screen alone in November 2026 wondering why the American electorate thinks Your Guy didn't live up to what he said - maybe look back on these months and ask whether things really got better for you.
Another thing that people aren't considering is if you're Trump and you think this guy is creepy and shady, all you can do is terminate your relationship with him if you can't PROVE anything.
Even if he did have proof, he would likely still be fucked. There is a reason many actors were paid for silence, blacklisted or turned into TMZ laughingstocks if they spoke out about the shady shit going on behind closed doors. Too many cooks in the kitchen with too much to lose if a story likes Epstein breaks.
It is a harsh reality that powerful people do terrible things and will likely never get any repercussions given how vital they are to certain industries or groups. Epstein was definitely a powerhouse that would be protected at all costs - hence why it took nearly two decades to expose anything, and even then so much is covered up in legal processes and media sidestepping. Trump trying anything massive in the 2000s besides providing the evidence he did would be a death sentence. We take for granted how much weaker the current systems are compared to then.
edit: for being dumb and saying granite instead of granted.
First big ol' (X) to doubt. Second, before I give you an honest answer, you don't have facts. You have examples of hearsay and are quoting yourself while presenting it as fact. That's why he called you a retard and a baiter.
comes straight from the epstein files, the PDFs are both linked and directly posted there
1.First Document - IMPORTANT UPDATED INFORMATION ABOUT ISLAND TRIP
This is an itinerary for a party/conference that was hosted by Jeff. It would take place both in NY and also partially at his island LSJ. this document was also intended for distribution and was encouraged to be printed by the guests. In particular you called out this
Dan Dubno will teach people a couple of really "hot" tricks.
After Dinner Activities:EFTA00900791
"You can learn more about a person in an hour of play than in a year ofconversation." — Plato
These will be open to everyone. They consist of the following, and some activities may be simultaneously held or over different nights, and will beheld in the Presidential suite of the Ritz Carlton Hotel:
Murray Gell-Mann will lead the game of Diplomacy for anyone whok nows how to play.
Dan Dubno will teach people a couple of really "hot" tricks.
Pablos Holman will demonstrate how to pick locks with their very own bump key (provided).
Al Seckel will be holding movie nights with some recently released or about to be released excellent movies (The King's Speech, Social Network, 127 Hours, True Grit, etc.), as well as provide an assortment of master puzzles.
Frances Arnold will lead a fun evolutionary word game, and may have ademonstration of directed evolution, which will end with a surprise.
Brock Pierce will lead some wine tasting with excellent wine.
Catherine Mohr will teach everyone how to do flash pickling and how to cut and dice vegetables like a pro.
Leonard Mlodi now will do a very peculiar olfactory demonstration as well as provide copies of his recent best-selling book, co-authored with Stephen Hawking, The Grand Design.
Reichart von Wolfshield will no doubt do something interesting and unusual, but it will be a surprise.
Gerald Sussman will bring an excellent telescope and lead a tour of heavenly bodies, but not the ones by the pool. Sorry.
And, there will be further activities provided by Christof Koch, Paul Kirkaas, and Ronald Reisman.
Whats the issue here? Trump isn't mentioned ever and outside of Jeff himself being a known human trafficker these activities don't sound like coded language for anything. that's why I called your "facts" hearsay. The email isn't proof Trump was there. its not proof that anything uncouth happened at the conference. It doesn't even implicate, the man you mentioned, Dan D. because "really hot tricks" does not mean anything. Its a bog standard schedule. It may help name some people who visited LSJ but even then its not "proof" of anything.
2.Second Document - A email correspondence between Jeff and Al Seckel
You're fucking with me. This is 2 emails talking about some kind of medical device that measures brain activity over time(Electroencephalography). The guy, Al Seckel, is some artsy fartsy type who collects sensory and illusion art and his daughter works in medical imaging. The device they are talking about would have been an early model of this. Again Trump isn't even mentioned and this is starting to sound like schizoid babble. Jeff seemed interested in using the tech to either read minds or 'extract' images/memory from it.
im interested„ can someone de encrypt those signals what is the name of the tech
3.Third Document - An email form Jeff to Thomas Jr., Landon
read the uzz feed re my airplane logs and hawain tro=ic contest. / have them ask my houseman about donad almo=twalking through the door leaving his nose print on the glass as yo=ng women were swimming in the pool and he was sofocused he walked straigh= into the doorOn Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 5:41 PM, Thomas Jr., Landon Now everyone coming to me thinking I have juicy info on youand=Trump.
Because of this.
=/div>=quot;l've known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy," Trump =ooms from a speakerphone. "He's a lot of fun to be with. Itis ev=n said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are=on the younger side. No doubt aboutit -- Jeffrey enjoys his social life.&=uot;That story will n=ver die.
Ok, we finally get a Trump mention. Also all those errors are in the email, looks like it got corrupted. This appears to be a casual email recounting Trump walking into a glass door in Hawaii at a Tropic contest. its sleezy of Trump, I don't like it. But its not an implication of anything serious and doesn't move the needle for me. I already think of Trump as a sleezy NY business type so meh. the second thing is Trump, and this was know way before the files were released, calling Jeff a terrific guy and in particular "He's a lot of fun to be with. Itis ev=n said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are=on the younger side". This soundbite has been debated to death going back to 2017, it's gross, but still implicates him in nothing. But at least Trump's in this one.
4.Fourth Document - An email from Jeff to G Maxwell
meet him„„he's interesting,,, very much like joe roberts... boring, rich„ hick„ remember he is the one who was blackmailed by the gir in p.b. „, from donad trumps party
I have nothing for this, because there's nothing here. Trump is mentioned but not directly. This is Jeff telling Maxwell to meet a guy who was blackmailed by a girl who he met at "Donald Trumps party". that's it. its also dated Jan 1 1991 so the party could have been a new years party, I guess that's neat.
This was an exercise in futility, for me not you. I went into this looking to find something. You thought it was so important to get eyes on it you posted it twice and then quoted your own posts 30 minutes apart. This wasn't even fun and in the process of trying to see how "the walls were closing in" again I forgot why I was even doing this. @Mister Fister was correct to call you a retarded baiter. And @CaliforniaRaisin if a faggot for trying to run interference for you by implying we all love Trump as much as @WelperHelper99.
You're changing the goalposts and reframing it because I never even fucking read what he posted, let alone supported it. Why? Because I knew the outcome of his post already and just started slinging peanuts because thats what happens here. Please don't. You're better than this.
you're trying to make the argument that you didn't support or read what he had to say, but the entire thing you said was simply that we would all not be engaging AT ALL with what he said, and you had no reason to insult the entire thread, other than because you wanted to, i don't know, jerk off either yourself for being so enlightened, or him for being so brave and posting the evidence. either way, nobody is going to think you were just kidding, it was very clear you were spitting venom, retard. if you're gonna tell everyone who comes into the thread that we're dishonest fuckwads as soon as they post something i'm gonna take an issue with that, and i'm going to call you out on the guy you're ostensibly fluffing up to do it, mr "good luck and god bless you for trying to educate the people of USPG2."
they were demanding millions of documents which were redacted in the way massie and khanna asked them to be in the bill, which i posted to you. if massie and ro wanted to get the files out immediately, they could have simply said no redactions other than those mandated by law, such as the child pornography and grand jury redactions. you're a retard if you think the 'second release' is real. it was another batch of files, same as the third release. they were always going to do it that way, regardless of how faggie massie wanted to piss his pants about it.
and? he could have tried at least, if he wanted to protect them. he didn't. not a very good protector if he doesn't even try. you're ignoring the fact that it weakens your argument. nice try. for someone who hates jews so much you sure argue the exact same way they do.
because he needed congressional authorization to do so for multiple different types of document, and some are still sealed because they never bothered to get judicial approval, which people tried to blame on him.
he constantly said that the only reason the democrats were pushing the epstein files was to try and find dirt on him. he wanted people to stop giving it media attention because that's what you do to trolls. unfortunately, i never learned that lesson, obviously.
I'm done with the Epstein files as faggots are using the files to chase evidence that doesn't exist, becoming a mirror to the users own beliefs rather than anything real at this point.
We are allowed to separate if we vote to. The rules were all codified in the run-up to the last Quebec referendum, and in his zeal to scare Quebecers out of voting to secede, Jean Chrétien codified the process in such a way that we will bankrupt Canada on our way out as a special little bonus.
And it will pass. This has been a strong grassroots sentiment for 50 years or more, because we are systematically disenfranchised while being financially raped by the federal system.
Taxation without representation is tyranny, and we have had our fill in Alberta.
you're trying to make the argument that you didn't support or read what he had to say, but the entire thing you said was simply that we would all not be engaging AT ALL with what he said, and you had no reason to insult the entire thread, other than because you wanted to, i don't know, jerk off either yourself for being so enlightened, or him for being so brave and posting the evidence. either way, nobody is going to think you were just kidding, it was very clear you were spitting venom, retard. if you're gonna tell everyone who comes into the thread that we're dishonest fuckwads as soon as they post something i'm gonna take an issue with that, and i'm going to call you out on the guy you're ostensibly fluffing up to do it, mr "good luck and god bless you for trying to educate the people of USPG2."
Your issue with my post is that I, in summary, said "I wouldn't bother posting anything about Trump from the files because people here will call it fake and gay" and after two pages, the people in this thread have, in essence, dismissed what was posted as, (in sarcastic terms), "fake and gay" by picking it apart and pointing out the fake and gayness of the posted material in regards to it implicating Trump.
I'm really struggling to see where I was wrong here, pal. I'm beginning to think you're taking my post personally, as if your moral integrity was somehow violated. Which is odd, considering where we are. I'm coo with you MetokorGroomedMe. We can share a Baklava and Motzaball soup sometime.
There are the "Rules" (puts a smile on face), and then there are the *RULES* (puts on firm, angry face). Consider when the Irish people didn't want to join the EU, voted not to, then were forced to re-vote over and over again because their government was not going to take "no" for an answer.
There are the "Rules" (puts a smile on face), and then there are the *RULES* (puts on firm, angry face). Consider when the Irish people didn't want to join the EU, voted not to, then were forced to re-vote over and over again because their government was not going to take "no" for an answer.
That’s the fun part. All of the stuff that was put into law to fuck Quebec if they voted to leave was tested and approved by the Supreme Court, so it is the law of the land. Chrétien couldn’t be seen to be trying to threaten Quebec, so it was all worded as “Any province seeking to secede from the Dominion of Canada”.
With our fucked-up system. That means it can’t be changed, as our Supreme Court wrote the statute and cannot be challenged.
If any Canadian claims this joke of a failed state is a democracy. Punch them in the face. Hard.
These raging faggots are so assmad that the new NPC line is "this is our FBI director" followed by some bullshit about why it's super duper bad that he was drinking beer with our Olympic team.
I reiterate a point I made in another thread, these people are so perpetually miserable they should just kill themselves and solve the problems of both sides simultaneously.
Edit - local archive of the video, it's just a longer version of the one I posted earlier that shows Head Jeet (lol manlet)
this was Trump's first term. Biden was the president through COVID, where travel was curtailed.
Trump's entire platform centers on bailouts for big tech and H1Bs/Indian "expertise". And remember Elon Musk? Letting tech CEOs have offices in the White House is helping the American worker, how exactly?
Trump is the one propping Vivek up in Ohio as the leading R candidate, and Donalds in Florida who is equally bad. Don't forget VA, NJ, NC... Trump is, quite literally gutting his own party, and any likeable candidates, for political nepotism.
When you're sitting in front of the computer screen alone in November 2026 wondering why the American electorate thinks Your Guy didn't live up to what he said - maybe look back on these months and ask whether things really got better for you.
We are allowed to separate if we vote to. The rules were all codified in the run-up to the last Quebec referendum, and in his zeal to scare Quebecers out of voting to secede, Jean Chrétien codified the process in such a way that we will bankrupt Canada on our way out as a special little bonus.
And it will pass. This has been a strong grassroots sentiment for 50 years or more, because we are systematically disenfranchised while being financially raped by the federal system.
Taxation without representation is tyranny, and we have had our fill in Alberta.
