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Nigger, I'm here every day. You're a faggot. Donald Trump says so.
so explain to me what pro drivor, english 5th language, couldn't.

what, from any of the things that were posted, actually implicate trump in ANY way? not just directly, but even by association. epstein had someone that he was blackmailing that was apparently not known to the public. trump and this person apparently had close enough circles that the guy was at a party trump hosted.

okay, and?

what about the rest of this shit? you had the nerve to say we don't accept any of this evidence you're talking about being so strong, so by all means, present it to us. i can't speak for the rest of the thread, but i always engage in an attempt to understand the epstein files in a way that any normal person could understand. if there was a picture of trump on the jet with jeff, or on the island in the hottub like hilldawg, or arm in arm after the whole shebang was known like gates, i really would be interested in seeing that. as sit stands, it's a few pictures from the early 90s, prior to most people ever learning about epstein's depravity, and testimony from literally everyone saying that he was never seen involved, and even epstein himself could only make allegations of trump liking 'young WOMEN' at the pool.

how, with that evidence, do you conclude that trump is involved with jeffrey epstein, is my question.
 
See below in your own post.
I was defending his "Trump is likely covering for the pedos" point, cause i largely agree.
how, with that evidence, do you conclude that trump is involved with jeffrey epstein, is my question.
It is fair to say they were friends that were around it other constantly, and THAT drastically increases the chances that he raped kids or at best knew about the rape and said/did nothing.
 
If you're such good friends with Jeff in 2002 you probably knew what he was doing. The one time he actually snitched on Epstein only happened once he was told of a pending investigation, so was more of a self preservation move than anything else or him being an informant (lmao)
i think you're misunderstanding what i said. Trump wasn't blackmailing people, but if blackmail was occurring at his party that says a lot about the type of company he kept around, which included Epstein himself who in 2002 he had already been friends with for 15 YEARS.
I like your new schizo theory that Trump defends pedophiles by prosecuting against those same pedophiles. If you were the sole judge of every soul, you would send everybody to hell; even Jesus Christ and all the apostles.
 
but if blackmail was occurring at his party
blackmail was not occurring at his party. again, you are english LAST language, so you don't understand this. when they say FROM the trump party, epstein is reminding the person he is speaking to, maxwell, about the last time they would have seen that person. the most recent engagement. they had a large amount of blackmail victims from all appearances, and it seems that it was necessary.

that text does not, in any way, imply that the blackmail was happening AT trump's party. the party was not where he was blackmailed at. he was AT a party thrown by trump, and maxwell and epstein had apparently been there as well. again, nothing that we haven't already heard about, trump severed ties with them in 2006.

multiple times i stated the evidence doesn't necessarily point to Trump being a serial child molester but it does point to him protecting those who were.
okay but if someone is protecting child molestors i have no doubt they are one too, so if he is, i would even be willing to say he probably is a child molestor. you have failed, in any way, to DEMONSTRATE where he ies protecting them. how. who is he protecting? what in these documents implies any protection is being given?

Epstein liked those same young women.
i'm sorry but you are not convicting someone of protecting pedophiles because JEFFREY EPSTEIN, a man who was already KNOWN TO HATE TRUMP, said that he liked young women, to an NYT REPORTER begging for dirt on trump. he provided literally no evidence of this, and used language that doesn't even imply anyone was underage. who gives a fuck if trump is oogling 18 year olds? epstein would have said kids children or little girls or something to that effect. the cope that you are using to turn 'young women' into 'children' is beyond me.

"he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are=on the younger side"
WOMEN. a woman is an ADULT female. seriously. why are you so fucking dense? if they're talking about children, why do they keep saying women? literally for decades everyone assumed that trump meant 20s and 30s, because that's the age he kept trading for. seriously. you keep saying he's not a pedo, and then pointing to lines like this that could ONLY imply he is also someone who likes underage girls, but then every line is also women, and he's never been seen with an underage person in his life. he cut off epstein the moment it was revealed he was fucking with his club members and trump never had anything to do with him afterward, as far as any records, including epstein's own, show. notice how after 2006 in his emails he stops having any contact with trump, same for maxwell?

It is fair to say they were friends that were around it other constantly, and THAT drastically increases the chances that he raped kids or at best knew about the rape and said/did nothing.
except he is literally the only one who has consistently been said to have done something. i guess we're just pretending he didn't cut epstein off? he wasn't said to have given a tip to the fucking cops? he wasn't the only one who was cooperative with giuffre's attorney? seriously, this is cope too you migger-lover. there's no consistency here. how in the fuck is he protecting pedophiles when he was the only one who seems to be NOT connected with epstein, when even new york times reporters were begging for it. steve bannon apparently was connected, and he was trying to get dirt on trump for epstein, and got nothing.

WHY would steve bannon and epstein be trying to get dirt on trump, if he was protecting pedophiles?
 
so explain to me what pro drivor, english 5th language, couldn't.

what, from any of the things that were posted, actually implicate trump in ANY way? not just directly, but even by association. epstein had someone that he was blackmailing that was apparently not known to the public. trump and this person apparently had close enough circles that the guy was at a party trump hosted.

okay, and?

what about the rest of this shit? you had the nerve to say we don't accept any of this evidence you're talking about being so strong, so by all means, present it to us. i can't speak for the rest of the thread, but i always engage in an attempt to understand the epstein files in a way that any normal person could understand. if there was a picture of trump on the jet with jeff, or on the island in the hottub like hilldawg, or arm in arm after the whole shebang was known like gates, i really would be interested in seeing that. as sit stands, it's a few pictures from the early 90s, prior to most people ever learning about epstein's depravity, and testimony from literally everyone saying that he was never seen involved, and even epstein himself could only make allegations of trump liking 'young WOMEN' at the pool.

how, with that evidence, do you conclude that trump is involved with jeffrey epstein, is my question.
Please point out where I said that what user Pro Drivor was posting implicated anything, let alone Donald Trump:

You must be new around here. Because it's been agreed upon in the USPG2 thread that anything that sounds bad for Trump the the Epstein files is "...a psyop, fake and gay and if you post it as evidence, you're also fake and gay". Just wait. You'll see. It's amazing to watch once you get over the shock, and actually kinda fun to hang out and see.

But good luck and bless your heart for trying.

I'll wait.

Lets start there, before I dive into the explanation of how literally everyone knows this thread bends over backwards to find a chink in the armor of anything negative said about Donald Trump. It doesn't help that most people who do bring forward negatives (in public, not here) are generally retarded and grasping at conjecture.
 
if blackmail was occurring at his party
Once again, learn to read properly. The message clearly states the guy was being blackmailed by a girl who attended one of Trump's parties. The blackmailing - and who knows what it was, or if it even occurred - did not take place AT the party.
the evidence doesn't necessarily point to Trump being a serial child molester
Wow, doubling down on your assholery. "Doesn't necessarily point to" implies it may point to, which of course it doesn't. And "serial child molester?" lol, fuck off with your nonsense attempts to throw shade.
"he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are=on the younger side"
Old quote, old news, proves nothing.
 
what else do they even have to live for? maple monkeys used to at least be able to hold hockey over us, now they have literally nothing.

do you guys think that the alberta vote in october will do anything? can they even leave canada to become a state? are they allowed to do that? they don't have guns, so how would they enforce a secession vote? i guess they'd have to ask us for help. i'm really curious if people want the vote to happen/pass or if they think it even CAN pass. maybe i should ask in the canada is a failed state thread, but at least i'd like to see your reactions, thread. would YOU be okay with alberta becoming part of the united states of america?
We are allowed to separate if we vote to. The rules were all codified in the run-up to the last Quebec referendum, and in his zeal to scare Quebecers out of voting to secede, Jean Chrétien codified the process in such a way that we will bankrupt Canada on our way out as a special little bonus.

And it will pass. This has been a strong grassroots sentiment for 50 years or more, because we are systematically disenfranchised while being financially raped by the federal system.

Taxation without representation is tyranny, and we have had our fill in Alberta.
 
Please point out where I said that what user Pro Drivor was posting implicated anything, let alone Donald Trump:
Because it's been agreed upon in the USPG2 thread that anything that sounds bad for Trump the the Epstein files is "...a psyop, fake and gay and if you post it as evidence, you're also fake and gay".
right here. this is you, saying word for word that we don't engage with content honestly, and that anything this guy posts swill be dismissed as false with no engagement. that we say that 'evidence' which is what you are referring to his post here as is going to get him called fake and gay.

so there you go, faggot. you asked, you got an answer. now let's hear how his evidence is so real and heterosexual. clock's tickin' raisin boy.

And it will pass. This has been a strong grassroots sentiment for 50 years or more, because we are systematically disenfranchised while being financially raped by the federal system.
i've always heard positive things about alberta, especially from canadian libs who tell me it's the america of canada, and they hate it. the only thing i'm really worried about if it does pass is how ugly the map is gonna look.
 
The last one is my favorite because whenever I see Trump with his grandchildren, he seems like a very sweet loving grandpa and wherever I see any other politician with children they look hungry.
Fun Fallout lore fact. The power armored soldier executing a Canadian soldier via gunshot in the opening cinematic of Fallout 1 was Nate the protagonist of Fallout 4 as confirmed by Todd Howard.

Nate says fuck Canadians! USA numba 1!
That's Emil, not Todd. He's the lead writer for Bethesda and why their stories have sucked for two decades. When he revealed that tidbit, he was soying over thinking it was such a cool clever callback and revealed he had no idea that it was a war crime or what the tone is original Fallout even was.
 
except he is literally the only one who has consistently been said to have done something. i guess we're just pretending he didn't cut epstein off?
I know that has been said, but there is no evidence
he wasn't said to have given a tip to the fucking cops?
Meh not really a tip per se. Investigation were being carried out already and he cooperated(This is a plus for him obviously)
. how in the fuck is he protecting pedophiles when he was the only one who seems to be NOT connected with epstein, when even new york times reporters were begging for it. steve bannon apparently was connected, and he was trying to get dirt on trump for epstein, and got nothing.
His reluctance to release information and the non-prosecutions from the DOJ lead me to believe he covered for diddlers migger.
Taxation without representation is tyranny, and we have had our fill in Alberta.
You guys are going to have to fight an uphill battel, you sure your premier(governor?) is really down to get dirty?
 
It is fair to say they were friends that were around it other constantly, and THAT drastically increases the chances that he raped kids or at best knew about the rape and said/did nothing.
They ran in the 1% of 1% social circles. You can't exactly get out of interacting with complete assholes when there's only maybe a few hundred people in the US, and a hundred or so in New York, all of whom make up the US economy and political sphere. People forget that Epstein was an influence merchant. He was everywhere, doing everything, and the blackmail and island were next to nothing in terms of his social and business connections.

There is a reason why association isn't a death blow. Plenty of people run in the same social circles, and are genuine friends, with horrible people who commit horrific crimes. Hell, if you have a dozen friends odds are 1 of them is a psychopath who tortures animals or beats women or some other bullshit, but nobody reasonable would judge you for being friends with someone before knowing.

The FBI under Joe had plenty of insane women contact them and were all declared NOT to be credible by people who were aggressively anti-Trump.

Believing Trump was involved with Epstein at this point is like believing the moon landing is fake with all of the documentation of the Soviets saying we did it.
 
Really nigga?
I was defending his "Trump is likely covering for the pedos" point, cause i largely agree.

It is fair to say they were friends that were around it other constantly, and THAT drastically increases the chances that he raped kids or at best knew about the rape and said/did nothing.
A rich guy hung out with another rich guy. Obviously he knew everything about what that guy did in his bedroom.
Fucking FLAWLESS logic, fella.
So if you're a plumber and you're hanging out with a bunch of other guys who are plumbers at some Christmas party, you're expected to know every illegal thing that they do in their sex life?
You guys are going to have to fight an uphill battel, you sure your premier(governor?) is really down to get dirty?
Battel? Ok saar.
 
i think you're misunderstanding what i said. Trump wasn't blackmailing people, but if blackmail was occurring at his party that says a lot about the type of company he kept around, which included Epstein himself who in 2002 he had already been friends with for 15 YEARS.
Being fair, Trump was a high profile person heavily connected to many industries from politics to Hollywood. Shit happening at his parties is likely par for the course given so much of that scene are shady fucks. He likely wouldn't even know who around him is suspect of anything given the secrecy of it all.

If we are going by company, tons of actors and politicians would be fucked via association with the typical predators. Weinstein was around a ton of high profile people, so was Diddy and of course the man of the hour, Epstein. Hell, we can say the Obamas were complicent in child sexual activity given Michelle was around, and starred in shows from the Nickelodeon feet man:
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Even using Nick as an example, plenty of actors were fully unaware of the child sexual abuse going on while working directly with the victims and victimizers. Not everyone has a repertoire of their guest list and the crimes they commited, they were likely just associates or other big names.

Epstein himself was a big player in Trump's field. Them colliding was inevitable, and given Jeffy's characteristics, I wouldn't put it past him to try shit under Trump's nose. Clearly, when Trump picked up on things, he terminated the relationship, which says far more than what was happening before. Unless Trump is directly involved, I don't see this as a strong argument.
 
I was defending his "Trump is likely covering for the pedos" point, cause i largely agree.
Hypothetically, how would Trump even deal with them? We are in a period right now of rampant jury nullification based on political bias. Not only the people he will be going after can afford a crack team of lawyers, but he jury might be inclined to find them innocent just to spite Trump.
 
The last one is my favorite because whenever I see Trump with his grandchildren, he seems like a very sweet loving grandpa and wherever I see any other politician with children they look hungry.

That's Emil, not Todd. He's the lead writer for Bethesda and why their stories have sucked for two decades. When he revealed that tidbit, he was soying over thinking it was such a cool clever callback and revealed he had no idea that it was a war crime or what the tone is original Fallout even was.
nate being the soldier who does that, and then waving at the journalists, honestly was a great piece of lore, but you are correct that emil didn't understand it. he thought it was heckin' cool, but it is actually a very good idea of what the people who were in the military pre-war were like, and would have made a lot more sense as to why Nate can be such an awful, immoral freak. or, you could roleplay that his time in cryo fucked up his brain, or gave him a chance to reevaluate his life for 200 years, locked in syndrome style.

but emil, terrified of the idea that maybe a player character might have some depth to them (who would ever want that?) decided to backpedal so hard that he rotated a dinosaur in the mojave.

I know that has been said, but there is no evidence
wrong, right after epstein's 2006 charges he had ghislaine remove trump. this is also the exact time he was said to have cut contact. this is as much evidence as him 'hesitating to release the list' is.
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His reluctance to release information and the non-prosecutions from the DOJ lead me to believe he covered for diddlers migger.
but he literally did it without any further pushing than an act of congress. he didn't even veto it. the reason he didn't want to release it is because he knew exactly what is happening now would happen. they would continue to dig through every bit of data, literally, for anything with his name on it, strip it of all context, and lie about it until the end of time.

for someone who was defending these people he did a piss poor job, considering he signed off on the release immediately, and has not taken any measures to stifle the release in any way, other than having appointed kash patel and pam bondi to the job, which is basically like putting two pit bulls in charge of guarding your toddler, so he gets as much criticism of hiring them as he always gets from me, the jeet and the bitch are fucking useless.
 
Old quote, old news, proves nothing.
It proves that Trump was throwing shade at him and showing disapproval while still being publicly diplomatic with a man who had extensive ties to high level CIA operatives.

The shit from the Epstein files that all the TDS people are missing are things like Kathryn Ruemmler, Obama's former White House counsel, who upon being awarded the highest honor the CIA offers, immediately contacted Jeffery to celebrate it. Jeff was an extensively connected dude, long after he was arrested the first time, who regularly partied with US presidents. Trump saying "He likes them young" was an immense amount of shade to throw at a guy who hires death squads to eradicate Zapatistas on behalf of Chevron.

Some real bush-league analysis if you think that's Trump trying to shine the nigger up.
 
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Being fair, Trump was a high profile person heavily connected to many industries from politics to Hollywood. Shit happening at his parties is likely par for the course given so much of that scene are shady fucks. He likely wouldn't even know who around him is suspect of anything given the secrecy of it all.

If we are going by company, tons of actors and politicians would be fucked via association with the typical predators. Weinstein was around a ton of high profile people, so was Diddy and of course the man of the hour, Epstein. Hell, we can say the Obamas were complicent in child sexual activity given Michelle was around, and starred in shows from the Nickelodeon feet man:
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Even using Nick as an example, plenty of actors were fully unaware of the child sexual abuse going on while working directly with the victims and victimizers. Not everyone has a repertoire of their guest list and the crimes they commited, they were likely just associates or other big names.

Epstein himself was a big player in Trump's field. Them colliding was inevitable, and given Jeffy's characteristics, I wouldn't put it past him to try shit under Trump's nose. Clearly, when Trump picked up on things, he terminated the relationship, which says far more than what was happening before. Unless Trump is directly involved, I don't see this as a strong argument.
I have the strangest feeling that a lot of the people being performatively angry about not imprisoning or outright killing everyone ever vaguely associated with Epstein would cry foul if for example, you started trying to railroad Jay-Z over being Diddy's best friend with little evidence of wrongdoing other than 'he was his best friend so he's obviously a pedo defender'.
 
right here. this is you, saying word for word that we don't engage with content honestly, and that anything this guy posts swill be dismissed as false with no engagement. that we say that 'evidence' which is what you are referring to his post here as is going to get him called fake and gay.

so there you go, faggot. you asked, you got an answer. now let's hear how his evidence is so real and heterosexual. clock's tickin' raisin boy.


i've always heard positive things about alberta, especially from canadian libs who tell me it's the america of canada, and they hate it. the only thing i'm really worried about if it does pass is how ugly the map is gonna look.
Ah neat. You're doing that thing where you're changing your question. This was the question, remember?

what, from any of the things that were posted, actually implicate trump in ANY way? not just directly, but even by association. epstein had someone that he was blackmailing that was apparently not known to the public. trump and this person apparently had close enough circles that the guy was at a party trump hosted.

And this was my response
Please point out where I said that what user Pro Drivor was posting implicated anything, let alone Donald Trump:


You're changing the goalposts and reframing it because I never even fucking read what he posted, let alone supported it. Why? Because I knew the outcome of his post already and just started slinging peanuts because thats what happens here. Please don't. You're better than this.
 
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