What conspiracy theories do you believe in? - Put your tinfoil hats on

The government/TPTSNB do not have better tech than the public in terms of raw technology. That hasn't been the case for decades.

Acording to whom? The government?

I am not being hostile or facetious. I am genuinely curious. I will concede if there’s a way to know with 100% certainty, and I will just say I learned something and thank you.

But, I personally don’t think so, because they have a nearly limitless budget and some of the brightest minds mankind has to offer working for them. Top secret projects are a thing too.

I do think you are unto something. Ai is data hungry so I wouldn’t be surprised if we are being used as Guinea pigs and to test and improve tech that just couldn’t be tested inside a bunker somewhere.

Also, the distinction between “raw technology” for the general public, and “military tech”seems arbitrary to me . GPS devices, for example, have insane military applications, and now they are just being used to find the nearest McDonald’s by teenagers. It’s just a matter of adapting one into the other.

They were not using "generative AI to make deep fakes of Epstein", for example. This isn't the 50s.

I didn’t make that claim. In fact I think Epstein, and the people covering him were unlucky in that all the evidence of his case predates the generalized use of AI by the public.

They can’t use that excuse now, that’s why they are so worried. But in the future they absolutely will.
 
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And if you think AI isn't good enough, that’s because you're thinking of the commercial models. Those are for us the plebs. I'm sure they have way more advanced AI models for military/ intelligence agency use that could bypass any kind of modern forensic scrutiny.
I imagine they've had that for the last 5 to 10 years, maybe even longer. We're probably getting neutered early betas of shit governments and militaries have access to.
 
I lived in Hungary for two years in the early 90s and their public transport system was great, at least where I lived. I lived outside the city (Budapest), and taking it to work was a matter of walking one block to a bus stop, taking the bus to the metro station (5 min), hopping on the metro for 3 stops, then walking two blocks to my job. Seldom was it ever late, and then not more than a few minutes.

It got a lot worse since, gradually. Less funding, cheap electric buses, lack of enough maintenance, when its not shitty electrics it is the same old stuff you rode on.

It isn't uncommon now for buses to go at 30 minutes intervals, and some buses just never appear, I assume they broke down somewhere.

Budapest trams are mostly still reliable, buses are worse off.
 
The military is always decades ahead in technology, and whenever they make something public is because they already have something better.
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The most realistic part of Nolan's Batman films is when Morgan Freeman is showing Wayne the body armour they developed for the military that he's going to turn into the Batsuit and Wayne asked why they never put it into production and Freeman's character says: "Government didn't think a soldier's life was worth three-hundred grand".

It's also the least realistic part because the top brass love blowing huge sums of money developing some absolutely idiotic crap. And when it's not idiotic it's often designed to fight the previous war. I'm still unconvinced aircraft carriers aren't just giant floating targets in the age of hypersonic missiles, but anyway...

What America has is the Military-Industrial Complex. The state and private industry merged in this sector perhaps more than in any other except oil. In areas that are outright illegal such as biological weapons research then yes, I believe the State has things ahead of private industry and public knowledge. But the relationship between military and private industry in the USA is so incestuous I don't think there is much in general where the military has "decades" lead on industry. In AI especially I would say because we can visibly see both the development history of the technology as it progresses and because frankly, the US military would be out-funded several times over by current investment in AI. Nor could they realistically have secretly had the tech ahead of where we are now - we can see the hardware capabilities simply weren't there until recently. The US military might have the odd black project but they don't have some big chip foundry tucked away.

I'm afraid when I think of military tech I'm as often inclined to think of this scene from the movie Pentagon Wars as I am the Blackbird.

(Some of the movie exaggerates a few things as I understand it but the sequence still rings true for a bunch of my experiences in state industry)

Acording to whom? The government?
Lord no - don't listen to them! No, this is just based on industry knowledge and following of the tech's development.

I am not being hostile or facetious. I am genuinely curious. I will concede if there’s a way to know with 100% certainty, and I will just say I learned something and thank you.

But, I personally don’t think so, because they have a nearly limitless budget and some of the brightest minds mankind has to offer working for them. Top secret projects are a thing too.
Honestly, I find it unimaginable that the military has a budget for AI larger than what's visibly going on in the private sector right now. And as alluded to above, the tech just wasn't there. There's the hardware - the gains in just the last few architectures Nvidia has put out have been amazing. But also the software - we've seen this development actually taking place in real time. This discussion for me is akin to the ideas of Von Daniken aliens coming down and creating mankind. Whilst it's theoretically possible, we have this big evolutionary history already there that we can look at.

Areas in which the State is ahead of private industry will mostly be more in application, than technical boundaries. I.e. I can well believe the tech is being used in ways private industry does not (at least outside of the overlaps where they're doing it on behalf of the state), but less so about the tech being noticeably better.

And in my personal experience at least, the brightest minds usually get the Hell out of government work because they really want to do the best they can and those opportunities come up more in industry for the most part. State careers tend to be more filled with politics and sinecures that drive really smart people nuts.

I do think you are unto something. Ai is data hungry so I wouldn’t be surprised if we are being used as Guinea pigs and to test and improve tech that just couldn’t be tested inside a bunker somewhere.
This much though, sure - I'd be open to suggestions the State has large models of its own that they keep secret trained on data they shouldn't have. But then again, you compare it to things like what Palantir are doing openly and you have to ask exactly how much room is left to actually do more - they're sucking up all sorts of private data openly through all sorts of legal technicalities the US govt. is happily rubber stamping.

Also, the distinction between “raw technology” for the general public, and “military tech”seems arbitrary to me . GPS devices, for example, have insane military applications, and now they are just being used to find the nearest McDonald’s by teenagers. It’s just a matter of adapting one into the other.
I think that's part of the point I'm making. Are they doing things with the tech we don't know about? For sure. Is their tech better? Ehhhhh, unlikely. The NSA probably have more specialist work on decryption and roomfulls of specialist computers to do so. And there were dubious biolabs in Ukraine probably working on all sorts of highly illegal and dangerous research. So there are small areas in which I say it's true the "military" and Intelligence are ahead. But in more specialist and narrow areas. More just a case of early adopters for the most part, than anything else. As William Gibson wrote: "The future is here, it's just not widely distributed."
 
So uh,, I was reminded by this because of a sticker. I hopped on the site with a US VPN and put Stephen King in there and nothing. I put in names I knew were in there just to make sure there wasn't some sort of VPN fuckery going on and they were there. So at this point in time with what we have, Stephen King's name does not appear un-redacted in the Epstein Files. Guess he's just your run-of-the-mill celebrity pervert, and not one of the ones in power.
 
I think that's part of the point I'm making. Are they doing things with the tech we don't know about? For sure. Is their tech better? Ehhhhh, unlikely. The NSA probably have more specialist work on decryption and roomfulls of specialist computers to do so. And there were dubious biolabs in Ukraine probably working on all sorts of highly illegal and dangerous research. So there are small areas in which I say it's true the "military" and Intelligence are ahead. But in more specialist and narrow areas. More just a case of early adopters for the most part, than anything else. As William Gibson wrote: "The future is here, it's just not widely distributed."


I will kindly remind you that this is a "conspiracy theory thread," where I take the liberty to speculate. I can’t say it’s true for sure, as I don’t have access to top secret projects. But it’s not unreasonable to me either.

Though using how the military works externally doesn't work for me. It's the same as when people try to convince me the CIA is useless because of some bad operations and fumbles they had in public, while they literally could topple entire governments and have had presidents on their payroll as agents.

Perhaps it's on me for just saying "the military" and not "the government" in general, as my idea fights with people's idea of the military.

I still think it's not unfounded. The nuclear bomb, the weapon that everyone still fears and marvels at to this day, is in fact World War 2 Tech. A secret military project in fact. Not to mention many groundbreaking technologies and research came from DARPA, including AI, which they have been researching since the 60's:

"Dr. Turek: Yeah. That's a great question. I mean, I guess I'll just start as a – with a reminder that, like, DARPA started in 1958. We've been investing in AI probably since the early '60s. You know, so going back to just a few years after the coining of the term AI. I2O specifically, the Information Innovation Office within DARPA, has really four key thrust areas. So, proficient artificial intelligence is one of them."

https://www.csis.org/analysis/darpa-perspective-ai-and-autonomy-dod

And they openly admit they are doing AI research:

"In September 2018, DARPA announced a multi-year investment of more than $2 billion on artificial intelligence research and development in a portfolio of some 50 new and existing programs collectively called the "AI Next" campaign."

https://www.darpa.mil/research/programs/ai-next

This is just what they are willing to admit.

But if you, or maybe anyone else, thinks it's more likely the work of an alphabet agency, fine by me. That doesn't destroy my core thesis, which is that the government is into it. I don't fight the idea the private sector is aiding them. In fact, it's very likely, given that, like I mentioned earlier, AI is data hungry and you need public data for it. There's such a thing as top secret private contracts.

Though I personally don't think it's far-fetched that the government is at least thinking about the military and intelligence uses of AI. Just being able to create evidence out of thin air and fool the public has massive applications.

In public it's fun to always label the government as stupid and inefficient, and they largely are. But they are also the most lethal and potent force in human history, and that's for a very good reason. They do have crazy competent people, and tech that might seem sci-fi to the average person.
 
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All big militaries likely have their secrets, but I don't think it is as far ahead as everyone thinks.

If a superpower had alien skibidi teleporters or flying saucers, it would have no rivals.

It wouldn't need military bases nor aircraft carriers nor hypersonics.
 
I will kindly remind you that this is a "conspiracy theory thread," where I take the liberty to speculate. I can’t say it’s true for sure, as I don’t have access to top secret projects. But it’s not unreasonable to me either.
Understood and no worries. It's not my intent to argue a case vociferously. Especially in this thread.

I'll say again just for emphasis though that my contention is certainly not that the Intelligence Agencies and Military might not have various research projects or active use projects involving AI that they keep out of the public eye, not at all. Only that it's more about the use of the tech rather than having more advanced tech. But that's all I want to say as a clarifier if not clear. Wasn't my intent to try and shoot stuff down!
 
Understood and no worries. It's not my intent to argue a case vociferously. Especially in this thread.

I'll say again just for emphasis though that my contention is certainly not that the Intelligence Agencies and Military might not have various research projects or active use projects involving AI that they keep out of the public eye, not at all. Only that it's more about the use of the tech rather than having more advanced tech. But that's all I want to say as a clarifier if not clear. Wasn't my intent to try and shoot stuff down!
I did learn some things and you made me reconsider some of my points. You always make well reserched and well though out posts. Always a pleasure to read you.
 
All big militaries likely have their secrets, but I don't think it is as far ahead as everyone thinks.

If a superpower had alien skibidi teleporters or flying saucers, it would have no rivals.

It wouldn't need military bases nor aircraft carriers nor hypersonics.
That's because the metal you need to make the cool shit comes from recycled UFOs.
We can't mass-produce the technology because we don't have the ability to mass-produce that metal and related components.
 
Pizzagate. Full stop.

Shouldn’t even be called a conspiracy theory anymore.

I guess also The Great Replacement. It’s not a far right neo-nazi white nationalist conspiracy theory when it’s literally happening to Canada and the rest of the western world right before our very eyes.

Someone should really go tell the Wikipedos to go update that page, when they get done sucking WEF funded NGO dick and begging wagies for money
 
I guess also The Great Replacement. It’s not a far right neo-nazi white nationalist conspiracy theory when it’s literally happening to Canada and the rest of the western world right before our very eyes.
Cuck Island is literally openly claiming the rural areas of the nation are "too white" and need to be flooded with niggers.

They're simultaneously claiming something is a "conspiracy theory" while openly doing exactly what the "conspiracy theory" says they're doing.
 
Another horrifying thing about the encroaching Globalism catastrophe of the 21st Century is that we do NOT have a historical record of nipping the globalists in the bud when it comes to them taking over entire societies, killing billions and throwing them back to the stone age and beyond, especially after Christianity became the dominant religion in Rome.

(Note that we do have a history of not bending over to gentile tyrants; it shows because all of them lasted for 20 years on average. Meanwhile Religious tyranny will never die, once it's there, it stays forever and becomes the future)

For context, this is our record of trying to stop globalhomo steamrollers.

  1. Medieval Europe? No reason or chance to oppose it before it comes, everyone has been indoctrinated by the Church to be happy as a half-dead, imporverished leper slave. Trillions dead across 1,000 years, technology gets pushed back to the Neolithic era and the seculars had to spend a couple centuries to bring progress back.
  2. French Revolution? Nobody opposes it because everyone who opposes it is likely one of the filthy rich, millions die
  3. Russian Revolution? Everyone knew it is completely wrong but too bad the opposition against the Communists are all US-backed Whites. Billions die.
  4. Nazi Germany? Anyone who fights back or realizes something is wrong is treated as the ultimate Jewish scum. Hitler sabotages WWII on purpose, Billions die, modern Israel is made using Palestine land, Europe subject to full-blown globalism and white guilt.
  5. Maoist China? Too bad the Nationalists are sponsored by the US, who instantly embargoes them to let Le Mao win. Millions starved to death, billions more cancelled and suicided.
  6. The Khmer Rouge? Nobody has any odds of stopping it, in fact the US and China are funding that as a test run for the rest of the world. The entire nation becomes enslaved like cattle 25% of the entire population died. Technology gets pushed decades back and progress never comes back.
  7. Rwanda? If you fight back you support Tutsi deplorables. Millions die in 3 months, the Rwandans move to Congo and continue killing each other.
  8. Euromaidan? Completely unopposed. Heads still rolling.
  9. Even large scale censorship and video gaming industry corruption get away completely unopposed despite they send pretty much every peasant into a rage. Watch Discord turn real ID social media registration/log-in into a new normal.

Arguably the only time where a globalist scam got foiled before (actual) mass die-outs happen is during Covid and that's just because of the United States. If the United States is gone before then, everyone gets subject to decade long lockdowns and billions die.

Meaning that whatever comes next, it will end up being completely unopposed. Everyone you speak to anywhere on the Internet might not even exist anymore by 2045, and humanity will regress to eternal anarchy and barbarism after the Globalhomo NWO inevitably collapses entirely, with absolutely ZERO hope of coming back or progressing.

I know that people are full of hope that Globalhomo will be eradicated by one point and humanity will get freedom because they realized the entire world and the governments and Big Tech have gone to utter shit. But if you do a reality check you will find out that stuff are really not working in our favor. The Internet is becoming increasingly masks-off compromised, the systems and ideologies that uphold the Globalist system is still there, Censorship is more rampant than ever, Gaming companies and Gacha games continue to force you to shell out hundreds for some AI generated images and pixels, and people like George Soros are still alive.

This is not a happy outlook.


I guess also The Great Replacement. It’s not a far right neo-nazi white nationalist conspiracy theory when it’s literally happening to Canada and the rest of the western world right before our very eyes.
There is a pattern where all of the countries where Multiculturalism runs rampant have completely placed their trust on Judeo-Christianity. It is a trend since endgame Rome when they let all the Jews, Gauls and just about any other tribe that has no interest in upholding Roman values into the empire, sometimes even on purpose. You do not see any of this in any country they cannot effectively spread Judeo-Christianity on.

This isn't a coincidence and it is more proof that Judeo-Christianity is a woke agenda intended to systematically weaken entire countries and bring them to be enslaved by the Jewish globalhomo agenda by design.

And when the New World Order rears its ugly head and decides that there will no longer be any borders or countries and the entire world is just one concentration camp, you can expect that all the Negroes, Arabs and Jeets will be the ones running the communes and getting everyone else to roll over and die.

This is just when the Globalhomo elites are leashing them, by the way. After people inevitably get rid of the Globalhomo elites all of these animals will be out there forming caliphates and biker gangs trying to eat and kill each other out in eternal anarchy.

It talked about jews a lot because the religion came from jews at the time. But the importance put on jews, and the lie about jewdeo-christianity being a thing is a fairly modern thing. Particularly the idea that jews are supposed to live in Israel, and it's christian's job to make sure we help them. All of that is complete bullshit.

It was there from the get-go. Otherwise you won't see the entirety of Europe being thrown hundreds of centuries behind in terms of technological development, science, the arts and values. While the Muslim, Chinese and Khmer worlds were experiencing their very own Golden Ages around that era, Europe is a shithole where hygiene diseases like Leprosy and Typhoid are everywhere, otherwise easily curable diseases are "treated" by prayers or torturing so the victim is left to die, serfdom and forever wars are the norm and not the exception, and the church and nobles murder and torture people for the pettiest reasons imaginable. That's not even getting into the disaster known as the Knights Templar that reared its ugly head during the high-Medieval era.

The Medieval church is ran by bona fide Jews and Shabbos-Goyim and they literally treat Europeans like niggercattle.
 
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All big militaries likely have their secrets, but I don't think it is as far ahead as everyone thinks.
It is.

To prove, all you need to do is look back through the decades. GPS designed decades before civilians got it. Remember the arguments in the 90s about the US government (who owned the satellites) not wanting to give accurate GPS data to foreign nations? It's the ESA (European Space Agency) had to launch their own GPS satellites.

Before that we had the Delta wing aircraft that were thought to be UFOs; Blackbird, Aurora spy plane.
UAV's and drones were around since at least the 90s. Possibly as far back as the 70's (the tech was there).

fibre-optic invisible camouflage was shown on British TV in the late 90s, so who knows how long they've had that.

Abovetopsecret.com, when first launched, had 'leaked' top secret weapons systems that are in use today, including the Boston Dynamics robot at the turn of the millennium.
Boston dynamics demonstrated their robots in the early days of youtube.

EA did a presentation behind closed doors that was leaked during the Xbox 360 years (around 2008) showing that they use 'programs' to monitor your voice and emotion level to sell you discounts and screw with your play session.
They also described how wifi routers can be used with phone location data to accurately 3D map the inside of your house (Batman didn't invent the idea, it was already in use and still is).

Google demonstrated the ability to create images from word prompts over 20 years ago and that a 'program' could create a fake news story, complete with fake profile picture of a journo and a fake name.

Military hardware is more advanced than the commercial stuff for myriad reasons, partly because it's so efficient. A self-piloted jet can take off, land, fly, drop bombs and return home with 0 input after the initial data injection, and does it all on a computer with a 1mb processor. 1mb.

That's before we delve into what used to be conspiracy theories. The Star Wars program was meant to exist in the 80's. The COVID vax was designed in the 90s (Gulf war sydrome) and was redesigned for the War on Terror (Anthrax vax).
In the late 90s/early 2000's there were reports of 'mother ship' type aircraft that could deploy tiny drones. A laughable idea until the Beijing Olympics.

That just one small portion of examples.
 
That just one small portion of examples.
Another one that I can't find anymore, but that used to be around, was the NVIDIA presentation on audio editing. They took a sample clip of a guy saying "I kiss my wife" and live-edited it to be "I kiss my dog". That stood out to me because we'd also seen the first public releases of deepfakes around the same time, and if you put two-and-two together it showed you could fake an entire presidential address or whatever you wanted.
 
Another one that I can't find anymore, but that used to be around, was the NVIDIA presentation on audio editing. They took a sample clip of a guy saying "I kiss my wife" and live-edited it to be "I kiss my dog". That stood out to me because we'd also seen the first public releases of deepfakes around the same time, and if you put two-and-two together it showed you could fake an entire presidential address or whatever you wanted.
I've not seen that.

I used to watch a show called 'Click' on BBC - back when it wasn't shite, and the show was a tech show but for cutting edge software and hardware. Sometimes they had innovations that really pushed tech forward. From software compression to mechanical robots/assistants.
Mix that with Tomorrow's World - another Brit show about technology of the future, except TW first aired in 1965. It ran for nearly 40 years and even then, you could see where tech was going.

There's a lot of resources out there that have given us a heads up of what tech is known to be worked on, decades before it happens.

The mindchip shite that musk is trying to get working is tech that already works, and has done for decades. I remember a show in the late 90s/early 2000s that showed a quadriplegic put a skullcap on with wires and he was able to move a robot arm to drink a glass of water.
They redid this demonstration about 10 years later and went "look how new this is !" despite it being old.

Most of the 'hidden' tech they don't try to, or have to, hide. People's understanding and belief of how far we are with tech, or how much it can, or how clever it is, throws off the perception of what the reality is.
This AI slop that we're seeing now is identifiable as AI slop, they don't try and hide that. That's done so that you believe that you can easily spot AI slop, when in reality, the stuff you can't identify as AI slop, is AI slop.

I've seen a few news broadcasts that i am 99% sure is AI. And why wouldn't they be? Why send out a camera crew and actors to fake gas attacks in Syria, when you can make it on a PC in LA?

PJW had an episode last week where he showed a real from 1970 in Britain, with people complaining about the immigrants and how there's too many of them. It was very well made but it was AI slop and lies, all to push the agenda that mass immigration has always been a problem. I reckon 99% of normies would not realise it was AI.
 
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