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Since I posted that old missing person's case that was online, I got kind of curious;



Marjorie West. She went missing in 1938.

On a damp Thursday morning in May 1938, hundreds of workers from western Pennsylvania oilfields, given the day off to look for a missing girl, walked through the Allegheny Forest at arm’s length. They traversed the tangled underbrush alongside police with bloodhounds, veterans of the first world war, Cornplanter Indians, coalminers and assorted others who had responded to the local mayor’s call for 1,000 volunteers. They killed rattlesnakes and were careful not to drop a foot down into one of the hundreds of oil wells dug during the area’s petroleum boom in the 1870s.

But by nightfall, the “haggard, sleep-robbed faces of scores of men”, as the Bradford Era newspaper described them, told onlookers the grim truth: another day had passed without finding the little red-haired four-year-old, Marjorie West.

Eighty years ago, Marjorie vanished while at a Mother’s Day picnic in the forest with her family. To this day she is the subject of one of the oldest unsolved cases recorded by the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. Her search was one of the largest for a child since the Lindbergh baby kidnapping six years earlier. Residents of western Pennsylvania and Marjorie’s surviving relatives still hold out hope she’s alive. If she is, she may yet celebrate her 85th birthday next month.

“She could still be living,” said Jack Covert, Marjorie’s cousin, in an interview shortly before he died in March. “But she’s probably not around here.”

Marjorie was lost four decades before the nationwide “stranger danger” panic over kidnappings, set off when the son of eventual America’s Most Wanted host John Walsh disappeared from a Florida mall in 1981. After the much-publicized Adam Walsh abduction, parents became more fearful about where their children went and who they were with, and government agencies instituted safety programs including taking fingerprints of kids to keep on file. More recently, the hit Netflix series Stranger Things, about a fictional 12-year-old named Will Byers who is snatched into another dimension, prompted renewed discussion about the idyllic times when children roamed free and parents rarely worried. In a New York Times op-ed, Ana North wrote, “‘Stranger Things’ is a reminder of a kind of unstructured childhood wandering that [now] seems less possible.”

But the Marjorie West case reminds us that decades before mass media coverage of child kidnappings, there were hazards that terrified parents. The dangers (Depression-era vagrants, illicit adoption rings) were just different. How free children should be to roam, and how cautious parents should be about young children’s activities, is a debate that still rages today.

On Sunday, 8 May 1938 the West family – father Shirley; mother Cecilia; and children Dorothea, 11, Allan, seven, and Marjorie – attended church in Bradford, a small city 90 minutes south of Buffalo, New York, and 90 minutes east of Titusville, Pennsylvania, the site of the country’s first oil boom in 1859. Bradford enjoyed its own rush for liquid gold a dozen years later, providing a steady living for families like the Wests – Shirley was an assistant engineer at Kendall Refining.

After church, the Wests drove 13 miles along Highway 219 to a clearing in the Allegheny Forest that was popular with hunters and fishermen. They joined family friends, Mr and Mrs Lloyd Akerlind.

Around 3pm Cecilia headed to the road to rest in the car. Her husband prepared to go trout fishing in the stream with Lloyd. The girls, Dorothea and Marjorie, wanted to pick wildflowers. Shirley warned them to watch for rattlesnakes behind the boulder nearby.

The girls gathered a bouquet of violets. Dorothea headed to the car to deliver them to their mother. When she turned around, her sister was gone.

The family drove to the nearest phone seven miles away to contact police in the town of Kane.

What followed was a grueling search that spanned months and saw more than 3,000 local people hunting for Marjorie, with countless others locked into the national newspaper coverage.

When police couldn’t find Marjorie that Sunday afternoon, 200 men joined in, including the Citizen Conservation Corps and the Moose and Elks lodges. As darkness fell, oilmen brought headlamps. “All available flash-lights in the city were pressed into service”, noted the Era. The effort slowed when a cold rain fell at 1am.

On Monday, the search party grew to 500. They waded through the stream and stood 25 yards apart in a mile-long line, ultimately combing four sq miles. Police interviewed motorists across an area spanning 300 sq miles.

By Tuesday, 10 May, police brought bloodhounds from New York state. That evening, they found clues, but accounts vary.

Two newspaper articles say the dogs followed Marjorie’s trail “half a mile up a mountain” to a cabin with its door nailed shut. Nothing of interest was found inside. Other media accounts, as well as those from Marjorie’s descendants in online blogs and discussion threads, say the dogs followed Marjorie’s scent to the road alongside the clearing.

“The searches found the crushed bouquet of violets, picked for her mother for Mother’s Day, lying on the ground not far from the rock”, close to where the flowers were pulled, wrote Catherine, the daughter of Marjorie’s cousin Joyce, on her genealogy blog in 2006.

Many people believed in 1938, as they do now, that Marjorie was picked up at the road. Witnesses told police of three cars that had passed through the area around 3pm. The drivers of two were identified by Tuesday night. The third – whom witnesses said was a man – was seen fleeing in his Plymouth sedan so fast an oncoming motorist told police he had to pull into a ditch.

On Wednesday afternoon, Bradford’s mayor, Hugh Ryan, issued his plea for 1,000 volunteers for the next day’s search. He got 2,500.

The search was praised for its organization, thanks in part to the men who, like Shirley, had served in the great war. At 5.30am, surveyors mapped out the land, and by 8am a “line of men, standing shoulder to shoulder several miles long, grew impatient in the Chappel Fork road until leaders gave the [bugle] signal for them to enter the forest”, recounted the Era. “Refinery workers rubbed elbows with professional men.” Women doled out 1,600 cups of coffee, prepared in “wash boilers” for hot laundry.

By the end of the week, the search had covered 35 sq miles with Marjorie still out of sight. There were discoveries: a swath of lace near the boulder, and a fresh hole a few miles away. But Marjorie’s aunt told police she hadn’t worn lace that day, and two men admitted using the hole to hide casks of cherry wine.

Engineers pumped out a muddy well and Native Americans tracked “she bears” – mother bears they believed were prone to carrying off small children – to no avail.

Shirley did not leave the forest for a week until, according to the 16 May edition of the Era, he “consented to come to Bradford. He ate his evening meal at home and then returned.”

Police began circulating a poster describing Marjorie’s “curley” red hair, freckles, red Shirley Temple hat and patent leather shoes. Cecilia West stayed at home so as not to miss a phone call.

On 13 May 1938, the state police commissioner, PW Foote, told the Associated Press that West’s disappearance probably began with her liking to “play hide and seek”.

A detail of four police searched the area for five months.

Snakes and “she bears” were not the only dangers in the woods.

Newspapers covering the disappearance linked it with a 1910 mystery in which two boys vanished near the forest within a few hours of each other. On 16 April of that year, Edward Adams, nine, was fishing with buddies near Lamont, Pennsylvania, and heard a “wild man” cursing in the woods. The boys ran, but when the group stopped, Eddie was gone. Thirteen miles away, in the town of Ludlow, Michael Steffan, seven, fished with a friend. Walking home, the other boy looked back and Michael had vanished. Newspapers at the time reported that a Mr Arrowsmith said his “mentally unbalanced” son, Harry, 32, had wandered off the same day, near Lamont. But Harry returned a week later with no knowledge of the boys, police said. Thirteen days after the disappearances, a mail carrier discovered a handwritten note on a Lamont railroad trestle: “Will return boy for $10,000.” That was the last clue found.

Two years later, Buffalo police captured the “Postcard Killer,” J Frank Hickey, who admitted to murdering two other boys in Buffalo and Manhattan, nine years apart. Many suspected he had killed other boys in the region, and Edward Adams’s mother wrote to Buffalo police to ask whether Hickey ever mentioned her son. When Mrs Adams died in 1933, the Associated Press reported that she’d kept a light in her window for 23 years, waiting for Eddie.

Those disappearances were 11 and 19 miles from Marjorie’s picnic, respectively. It is hard to believe the same “wildman” could have been lurking in the woods 28 years later, but the cases were a testament to the fact that anyone could have been in the forest. In fact, The Era reported on 14 September 1938 that a 55-year-old “woodsman” was arrested for assaulting another man “with a double-bladed ax during an argument while they were working on a woods operation in the Chappel Fork area”, near where Marjorie disappeared. The story said the woodsman had been questioned about Marjorie at one point, but was released.

If Marjorie was snatched, it could have been for profit. During the Great Depression, child kidnappings became a popular, low-tech way to make a buck. “Kidnapping wave sweeps the nation,” blared a New York Times headline on 3 March 1932, two days after the abduction of the son of aviator Charles Lindbergh. At the time, some feared that cars, still a relatively new technology, were going to cause an increase in kidnappings, and they weren’t wrong. Abductions did increase with the use of automobiles and with greater highway usage. Still, many of those who believed Marjorie was abducted thought it was not for ransom, but for a different type of moneymaking enterprise.

On 12 September 1950, Tennessee authorities announced allegations that Georgia Tann, the executive director of the Memphis branch of the Tennessee Children’s Home Society, had adopted out more than 1,000 babies for $1m since the 1930s, tricking poor couples into giving them up. Tann died three days after the investigation became public. Many of the children never knew their birth parents (including famed professional wrestler Ric Flair, born in 1949, who wrote of the circumstance in his autobiography). And presumably, the wealthy clients who adopted through Tann’s agency (including actress Joan “Mommie Dearest” Crawford) never knew of her methods.

The Tann theory was bolstered by a clue. A few days after Marjorie disappeared, a taxi driver in Thomas, West Virginia, told police that late at night on Mother’s Day, a man and weeping young girl checked into the town’s Imperial Hotel. Could they have been stopping midway to Tennessee?

But news stories from five months later render the Tann theory unlikely. In October 1938, Pennsylvania state police tracked down merchant Conrad Fridley of Ridgely, West Virginia. He said that on that evening, he and daughter Lois, five, were returning home from a visit to Parsons, West Virginia, and had to stop because of fog. Lois became frustrated and cried. They left the hotel early the next morning to open his shop.

Census records from 1940 show a Conrad Fridley, 31, of Ridgeley, who in 1940 had a daughter, eight.

As spring turned to summer, national media focused on Hitler’s annexation of Austria and the suffering United States economy. But western Pennsylvania press continued following Marjorie’s case.

“The state police investigation continued off and on for six years,” reported the Era in 1955, noting that Shirley and Cecilia West had separated around 1953.

Family members say Marjorie’s closest relatives went to their grave believing she was alive.

Tammy Dittman, a longtime teacher in Bradford, took a class of hers to the Allegheny Forest in 2008 to learn about archeology. During the trip, two men from the Civil Conservation Corps discussed their search, as youths, for Marjorie.

“They talked about how hard they searched,” Dittman says. “They searched shoulder to shoulder constantly.”

The class undertook a project to research the case and speak with young kids about safety.

After the Olean Times Herald covered the project, Dittman got a call from another elderly man, now blind, who had searched as well.

The man told Dittman, “‘There was no way the little girl could have been in the woods,’” she says. “The fact that he contacted me practically on his deathbed shows how sad it was. Maybe he had a little hope we’d find out more.”

Dittman, who has hiked near Chappel Fork, acknowledged the hazards nearby, including hundreds of old wells that are hard to notice. “You can step right into them and go down,” she says. Yet she believes the most likely explanation is that Marjorie was kidnapped.

“I hope she was at least in a good family,” Dittman says.

Two of Marjorie’s descendants have written online about the case.

Catherine, the daughter of Marjorie’s first cousin, Joyce, explained on her family genealogy blog: “My grandfather searched for weeks, long after the manhunt was called off, returning home late into the night. Three small children sat on the porch steps waiting for him, but they knew each night from the slope of his shoulders, he didn’t find the little girl with the bouncing red curls.”

The granddaughter of Dorothea West, Angel, wrote in 2009: “I remember listening to my grandmother tell me stories about Marjorie and the sadness she felt for leaving her sister alone for those few moments. My grandmother held on to her feeling of responsibility until her passing two years ago.”

These three descendants of Marjorie did not respond to requests for interviews, so out of respect for their privacy we’ve opted to only use their first names. However, they did contact authorities back in 2010, compelling the state police, unable to find old records, to start a new case file. Corporal Mary Gausman says that in 2012 state police took cheek swabs for DNA from two cousins in Bradford, sending them to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. Unfortunately, they produced no clues.

But both agencies get tips. Gausman says that in 2014, an employee of a hospital in Rochester, New York, read about the case online and called to say they had a patient named Marjorie who rarely had visitors. But the woman’s niece had seen immigration records and confirmed she’d been born in 1922.

However, one Bradford native believes he knows the answer to the mystery.

Harold Thomas “Bud” Beck, a writer, raconteur and college professor with a PhD in linguistics, researched the case after he heard about it in a bar he used to run. Around 1998, when internet access was becoming more widespread, he posted a $10,000 reward for information about Marjorie. He included up-to-date photos of Dorothea, figuring Marjorie would resemble her.

One woman contacted him to say she’d worked at a company in Florida with a nurse who looked similar.

Beck took a trip south to meet several people about whom he’d gotten tips. The nurse did look like Dorothea, but denied being Marjorie.

Around 2005, Beck says, he heard from her again and went to meet her. By then she had returned to her childhood farm in North Carolina.

When he caught up with her there, she related a story that her mother told her when she was nearing the end of her life: In 1938, the nurse’s father left that very farm and drove north to work in Bradford’s refineries for the winter. Come spring, it was time to return to his crops. Driving south past the Allegheny Forest on Mother’s Day, he hit a little girl.

“There wasn’t anybody there,” Beck recounts. “He was going to take her to the hospital in Kane. He was afraid she was dead.”

But as he was driving with the unconscious girl in the car, she woke up, seemingly unharmed. He and his wife had lost their only daughter that winter. The delivery had been difficult and they didn’t think they could have more children.

The man brought Marjorie to the farm and raised her there.

A few years later, he lost an arm on board an aircraft carrier in the second world war, Beck says. The man told his wife he thought it was “God’s way of punishing him for what he’d done”.

The nurse used to tell her parents that she remembered another family, but they dismissed it. She also remembered a place with “snow way over her head”, Beck says.

After the second world war, her parents had four more children, according to Beck.

The nurse only told Beck the story after he made two promises: one, he couldn’t tell anyone about her identity – except for Dorothea, whom she wanted to meet – and two, Beck could only publish her story after she died.

By that time, Dorothea was in ill health and couldn’t meet “Marjorie”, Beck says.

The nurse died about a decade ago. Beck kept his promise and self-published Finding Marjorie West in 2010.

“There’s no question” it’s her, Beck says.

People have pressed him to notify the authorities, Beck adds, but he ponders, “What is it going to accomplish? One family is dead, and the other has been living under a set of circumstances they believe to be true. The mother and father were considered good people in the community.”

Locals who’ve read the book have debated its conclusions on Facebook. Marjorie’s cousin’s daughter Catherine discounted the story on a 2012 discussion thread on Websleuths.com, a site on which people try to solve missing persons cases. Catherine wrote that the state trooper she talked to didn’t take Beck’s narrative seriously.

Beck says he understands why people are frustrated, particularly those involved in the search. But he won’t betray a confidence.

Bob Lowery, a vice-president at the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, hadn’t heard of Beck’s book, but says Beck or anyone else with information about Marjorie should come forward. He notes the case is the third-oldest in their files. “I would think that anyone alive today who was living at that time would have vivid memories of this,” he says. “When something happens to a child of four, there’s a need to have the truth shared so that everyone knows.”

If Beck’s tale is true, it would explain how Marjorie disappeared so quickly and without a trace, as well as the speeding Plymouth. But the story begs questions: how were two people able to keep the secret so long? Did the sorrow they felt on Mother’s Day drive them to rationalize the act?

Perhaps the tale is just too good to be true. In Beck’s book, the nurse claims she was the sobbing girl spotted in West Virginia on Mother’s Day night. But according to an article from October 1938, the police and Wests went to meet Conrad Fridley, the merchant who said he was there. Police told the press that his daughter resembled Marjorie, but wasn’t her, and the girl spotted that night had different clothes than Marjorie.

Beck dismissed the newspaper accounts, saying he stands by his story.

Relatives remain wary. In 2015, an anonymous reviewer on Amazon, presumably a member of the family, wrote that she was shocked Beck was selling the book after “making false promises and leading my grandmother on wild goose chases for YEARS”.

So what if the nurse wasn’t Marjorie? Where did she go?

One cannot discount the rough terrain in the woods. In 1962, two boys died while exploring an abandoned clay mine in western Pennsylvania, prompting Bradford officials to finally start closing all old mines, caves and wells.

“The effects of that day,” Catherine wrote on her blog, “lasted long into mom’s adulthood, and when she had children, made her extra cautious about where we were and who we were with.”

Marjorie West’s case, like other child disappearances of the time, had a ripple effect on families long before mass media attention was ever trained on Adam Walsh. Responding to recent newspaper essays about parents becoming overprotective due to modern media coverage of tragedies, senior citizens have responded that their parents became more protective after the Lindbergh case. There was a similar effect in western Pennsylvania in 1938. “This [West case] was the very, very sad object lesson of my childhood … not to wander away, not to go anywhere with ‘strangers’,” recalled an elderly woman on a Bradford community Facebook group.

Regardless of the statistics of “stranger danger”, parents will always have to negotiate their own comfort level about being protective.

Tammy Dittman, the Bradford teacher, says kids should be wary and vigilant.

“Some [children] need to be scared,” says Dittman. “They think nothing can happen to them.”

 
Speaking of old cold cases involving children, one infamous case from my country is the Johan Asplund case (commonly known as the Johan case). His disappearance took place on November 7th, 1980.
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On the day of his disappearance, his mother left for work at 7:45 AM. Between 7:55 and 8:00 AM, a neighbor walked past the Asplund residence and spotted Johan standing outside the door of his apartment. According to the neighbor, he looked ”very confused". That was the last confirmed sighting of him. Another neighbor also later said he saw Johan open the apartment door, look around as if looking for something or someone and then close it again at an unspecified time.

He was supposed to be picked up by his father at his mother's place at 14:30 that day. As time passed and there was still no sight of him, his parents contacted the school. That was when they found out he'd failed to show up at school. His mother also discovered that his wristwatch was still in his room and that a shirt that he was supposed to wear to school that day had been left on his bed.

Unlike some of these other cases that have been discussed, there is a clear suspect. His mother's ex-boyfriend (commonly referred to by the nickname "The Johan man") was interrogated the same day that Johan disappeared. After the mother separated from him in 1979, he threatened to harm Johan multiple times as a way to punish her for leaving him. The ex-boyfriend was seen in the area twice around the time of Johan's disappearance. During the investigation, the police also discovered that he'd been spying on Johan's mother as well as mapping out Johan's routines and outdoor activities. However, because they only had circumstantial evidence and never found Johan's body, they had a hard time getting him convicted of anything. He was actually sentenced to two years in prison for kidnapping in 1985 after the Asplunds pressed charges, but the sentence was overturned due to the lack of forensic evidence.

Later on, law enforcement fucked up majorly as they zoomed in on this mental patient who confessed to more than 30 murders during therapy, including the Johan Asplund murder (Thomas Quick AKA Sture Bergwall, that's a whole other rabbit hole I won't get into). Despite the fact that they had no evidence other than his confessions and he couldn't provide basic details about the crimes, he was convicted of eight murders – including Johan's murder – between 1994 and 2001.

When it was revealed that Quick had been under the influence of benzos when confessing to all those murders and that the prosecution had even presented outright faulty evidence in some cases, it was already too late for Johan and a bunch of other people. By the time he started retracting his confessions and his convictions got quashed in 2010-2013, the statute of limitations had already passed for most cases including Johan's case (in 2005). Even if the killer were to fess up or law enforcement were to find some other kind of evidence such as DNA, Johan's parents will never get justice.
 
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Meta questions:
Now that we exist in a 100% surveilled state. Do you believe unsolved cases are/will rise or fall? (relatively independent of crime stats).
Do unsolved cases now exist due to incompetence, lack of resources, or glowy-collusion?
 
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Now that we exist in a 100% surveilled state. Do you believe unsolved cases are/will rise or fall? (relatively independent of crime stats).
Do unsolved cases now exist due to incompetence, lack of resources, or glowy-collusion?
If I kill someone with no connection to me while leaving my phone at home and driving a pre-2009 car and I don't tell anyone the government would have no idea.
 
Unlike some of these other cases that have been discussed, there is a clear suspect. His mother's ex-boyfriend (commonly referred to by the nickname "The Johan man") was interrogated the same day that Johan disappeared. After the mother separated from him in 1979, he threatened to harm Johan multiple times as a way to punish her for leaving him. The ex-boyfriend was seen in the area twice around the time of Johan's disappearance.
I'm firmly convinced he's guilty, the only question is what he did with the body.

Unfortunately it's an area where you don't have to go very far to get to places that give you an opportunity to hide a body successfully.
But still I'm really surprised it hasn't been found yet with all the hunting and people working in the forests.

I grew up not too many miles away and this is one of those cases I can't let go of, I wasn't born at the time but more than a decade later people were still actively speculating about this case and then the police went batshit and involved Quick in it.
Another one is the case of Eva Söderström, the spoiler below is the pictures of an auto translated summary.
The police made so many mistakes in that case, like focusing on the local madman.

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Do unsolved cases now exist due to incompetence, lack of resources, or glowy-collusion?
Lack of resources and evidence to charge a person. Law Enforcement will have their suspects but they cant do really anything if they don't have much to go off of. As with the Asha Degree while there have been new POI's leading to the discovery of a car and property "once belonging to a prime suspect in the case" LEO's eventually get stuck once more due to lacking evidence that proved x, y, & z.
 
Am I missing something or people actually visit those places because the music is good and the staff is nice?
To be honest it sounds better than going to a normal bar. I'd rather go to a sleazy gimmick bar, or a dorky arcade bar, then a regular bar. Either way you're paying six bucks for a beer, and I would rather have a view to enjoy or some dig dug to play then just be sitting around a whole bunch of other lame drunks. I can get drunk and do nothing at home for significantly cheaper, if I'm going to get drunk in public I wanted to at least be somewhere interesting.

Thread tax: forensic genealogy is fascinating and terrifying. So many of these cold cases are getting solved because someone wanted to give a Christmas gift to someone they didn't really know, and a gift card felt like it was too impersonal.
As someone whose family is filled with a lot of both successful and unsuccessful criminals, there's an unspoken agreement to never take one of these. Not because of some sort of contrived family honor thing, but because the idea of being on television in any capacity, good or bad is deeply mortifying to all of us with the exception of some deeply mentally ill outliers.
 
To be fair, I heard Hooters has good chicken wings.
Hooters doesn't even belong in the discussion with establishments considered lewd or risqué. Occasionally you'll hear from people that think it's comparable to any sleazy strip joint.

It's no different than any other franchise restaurant other than their exclusively female wait staff. That uniform they wear hasn't been inappropriate since 1959. It's actually pretty conservative, all things considered.

I've worked bars and have seen similar shit with hetero folks and when folks are caught (ie, fooling around in a bathroom stall) they're usually embarrassed and not indignant at the notion that maybe they shouldn't be doing this or angry that you're intruding. I've also never seen it so fucking blatant or frequent, even at like college

I've been to a few gay bars and nightclubs. The very first time I went to a gay night club, I saw exactly what you mentioned. Had a few beers and went to piss: men's room had 2 fags going at it, and 2 others watching the performance.



They didn’t slow down or appear embarrassed, but one helpful gentleman in the "audience" politely informed me that the ladies room was for pissing. I had mistakenly entered the room they use for "playing". Honest mistake really.



I had tended bar in college and part time for a few years afterwards and have never seen anything like that. Gay men truly are some of the biggest party'ers.



Friend of mine actually tended bar in a gay joint (not a night club tho) and the biggest problem wasnt sex in the men's room, it was drugs. A lot of them were constantly drugging it up in there.



It wouldn't be the biggest problem in the world but I think they were worried someone would od in there, or that the bar would get a reputation that it was cool to do drugs at, which isn't the sort of thing you want your business known for.


That might make the law take an interest in the place. I think that was one of their concerns at least.


I worked at a place with a lingering reputation like that. The crowd had changed since that time and when I started it was mostly a quiet, neighborhood pub.

The annoying thing was that occasionally I would get these stragglers who didn't realize that the whole "culture" of the place is completely different from how they remembered it when they were regulars 4 years ago.

Normally it wasn't a big deal. Most could read the room and see it's a different crowd than what it was several years back.

Less aware or maybe just more pushy people from the drug era would keep asking me things like: "does this one or that one still come here? Who's serving powder tonight? You know if any of them sell girl, I need a gram? Do you have anything? Does that guy they call slim with the Grey suv still come here?"

People like that used to annoy me because they either couldnt take a hint or they just refused to. How many different ways do you have to hear, "No, I cant call any cocaine pushers for you nor can I sell you any."
 
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Speaking of missing children, a Redditor posted a write-up of Jack and Lilly Sullivan, the two children who went missing from Nova Scotia last May. None of this is new information, but I didn't know some of it, for example, that the stepdad's mother lived on the same property and heard them playing that morning.

Personally, I think they got too close to a stream in the forest, but I wouldn't be shocked if one of the adults killed them either. The stepdad is a scuzzball, last week he was arrested for sexual assault and forcible confinement. The mother seems to have used her status as a Mi'kmaq to not fully cooperate with the investigation and her leaving less than a week after the kids were reported missing was always so strange to me. I lost a dog in the woods once and stayed in the area for two weeks until I found her, giving up on your kids so quickly seemed so weird to me, but I also realize a dog and a child are not the same thing and I really can't understand what she is going through.

Anyhow, here is the Reddit post. I thought it was well done

Pictou County, Nova Scotia is a quiet and rural county in the centre of the province. Like a good deal of rural Nova Scotia, the economy is slow and focused on service sector and industry, and even many Canadians could not tell you anything about it. In May 2025 it was front-page news across the country when two children went suddenly and inexplicably missing out of their backyard.

Malehya Brooks-Murray lived in Lansdowne Station with her husband, Daniel Martell, her two children from a previous relationship, Lilly and Jack, and the infant daughter she and Martell had together. They lived in a mobile home on a rural property where Martell's mother also lived in a separate dwelling. Later, family members would describe the home as disorderly, cluttered, and unfit for children.

Early in the morning on 2 May, Brooks-Murray notified the children's school that Lilly, 6, and Jack, 4, would be absent from school that day due to illness. The children had been absent the day before because Lilly had a cough, and they had not been in school on Wednesday 30 April due to a teacher in-service day. Despite Lilly's cough, the children had gone with their mother, stepfather, and younger sister on 1 May to run errands in town. The entire family was caught on store surveillance tapes.

The morning of Friday 2 May, after marking the kids absent from school, Brooks-Murray and her husband were going about their normal business and in the police statement said they could hear both children moving around the house. They could not say exactly what time they heard the children leave the house, only that sometime between 0800 and 0940 they could no longer hear them and assumed they had gone outside. Martell's mother said she heard the children playing on their swingset just before nine. The family phoned 911 at 10am to report both Lilly and Jack missing.

Martell told police that sometime between nine and ten while searching in the woods for the children, he heard a scream that could have been one of them.

The police responded quickly. Pictou County, like many rural communities in Canada, does not have its own integral police force and is served by a smaller detachment of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. The RCMP released a statement just after noon asking other community members to come forward if they had seen or heard anything that might help, and requested the public to stay away from the family home to avoid interfering with the ongoing search. Brooks-Murray alerted the police that night that the children's biological father might have taken the children into New Brunswick, but Cody Sullivan, the father, claimed to not have seen the children in three years. He had been paying child support consistently up until nine months prior to the children's disappearance.

The search began in earnest the following day with over 100 police and volunteers combing the area looking for any sign of the two missing kids. They found nothing, and despite the search increasing to include close to 200 volunteers on 4 May, no one saw any trace of either child. On 6 May, Brooks-Murray left the area to be close to her own family, and Martell claimed that she blocked him on social media at that point. The couple have not been in contact since as far as anyone can ascertain.

The only physical evidence located was a single child-sized boot print and a blanket that belonged to Lilly.

On 7 May the search was scaled down drastically and the police advised they did not feel confident they would find the children alive. An additional search took place 18 May with police and community volunteers without a single clue. The police received hundreds of tips with nothing that helped them locate the children, and eventually a freedom of information request revealed that as of July, the police no longer considered it to be a criminal case. The police used every avenue of search available to them, including close-quarter searches by officials and volunteers, drone sweeps of the area, searches by dogs trained to locate living people and cadavers as well, and continued involvement from police in other provinces and border services.

There is a significant amount of concern around the children's stepfather. The couple moved in together quickly, within a few weeks of dating in 2023, and within a few months moved together to the property in Lansdowne. Friends and family have said that Brooks-Murray was more distant and less responsive to them after getting together with Martell, and Martell was working infrequently and sporadically as well. When officers interviewed Brooks-Murray, she claimed that Martell would occasionally push, block, or hold her down. Martell also had a past history of drug use, and this year was arrested on charges of sexual assault, assault, and forcible confinement. (The complainant is an adult, not a child.) Brooks-Murray has not made any public comments since the children's initial disappearance, but Martell has maintained his innocence and provided DNA samples throughout.

The one-year anniversary of the children's disappearance is fast approaching with no major breakthroughs and no signs that the children are close to being located.

If you know anything about the whereabouts of Lilly and Jack Sullivan, you can call Nova Scotia Crimestoppers at 1-800-222-8477, or securely and anonymously online at crimestoppers.ns.ca. There is a reward of up to $150,000 associated with information on this case.

Sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Lilly_and_Jack_Sullivan




 
FBI released recorded Nest video of the Nancy Guthrie abductor, it is explained that he tried to use the shrubbery to cover the footage then eventually ended up taking the camera.

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gun on the waist




edit: video archive, notice the movements...
 
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If I kill someone with no connection to me while leaving my phone at home and driving a pre-2009 car and I don't tell anyone the government would have no idea.
Maybe,
But we have cameras at every (urban/suburban) traffic light, flock cameras in every parking lot, Ring cameras on every door... the list goes on.
 
A lot of them were constantly drugging it up in there.

You know, it doesn't have to be a gay bar. My husband worked at a clothing store and he told me all sorts of horror stories of the dressing rooms.

Customers of all kinds doing drugs inside, leaving needles, finding shit in the rooms, used condoms because customers had sex in them, and used diapers.

This was at a family bargain store, by the way. So it attracted families and children.
 
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Now that we exist in a 100% surveilled state. Do you believe unsolved cases are/will rise or fall? (relatively independent of crime stats).
Do unsolved cases now exist due to incompetence, lack of resources, or glowy-collusion?
most of the cameras suck ass and are great at showing "some person somewhere between 5'6" and 6'3" who may or may not be a man between the ages of 18-58"
 
Latest Nancy Guthrie update:

Detectives and FBI agents are currently in Annie & Tomasso's neighborhood, conducting door-to-door property searches with owners' consent. Asking residents questions about surveillance footage from January 29th to February 1st.

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Deputies of PIMA County were observed loading ballistic vests and tactical gear.

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edit: swat is related to the case and was dispatched to Nancy's residence

also a private helicopter has been seen hovering around the Catalina Foothills less than an hour ago.
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TMZ reports that the ransom bitcoin was sent through, and activity in the bitcoin account.
 
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