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Is it bad of me to not have reactions to any deaths I see on media? (I.e Nigerian Christians dying, Iranians dying) I mean, I grow tired of strangers telling others to care about the next big thing (tm) not so much with the 2 I named, but anyone in a first world country. Like I don't care that that Renee chick was killed when there's people dying everyday and being martyred for the faith in 3rd world countries. It sounds cold of me, but I can't bring myself to care for any strangers these days, except give a small prayer for their souls.
IMO It's a sign of either a sign that you are either desensitized to violence or dehumanized these people, so their suffering does not register. I don't blame you for this though, it's very easy in our modern society to just be completely uncaring towards the senseless violence we see around us.I think we should pray for all those who suffer/die whether for the faith or just in general, and work towards trying to end institutions/forces that cause harm/people to be killed.
 
Is it bad of me to not have reactions to any deaths I see on media? (I.e Nigerian Christians dying, Iranians dying) I mean, I grow tired of strangers telling others to care about the next big thing (tm) not so much with the 2 I named, but anyone in a first world country. Like I don't care that that Renee chick was killed when there's people dying everyday and being martyred for the faith in 3rd world countries. It sounds cold of me, but I can't bring myself to care for any strangers these days, except give a small prayer for their souls.
It seems like you see it so often, you're used to it. I feel this is why being blackpilled is so common now, and I've admittedly had problems with empathy for years. Last year, I prayed to Jesus for Him to make me a more empathetic person, and I felt different within two hours. This verse comes to mind:

Matthew 24:12 - And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
 
It seems like you see it so often, you're used to it. I feel this is why being blackpilled is so common now, and I've admittedly had problems with empathy for years. Last year, I prayed to Jesus for Him to make me a more empathetic person, and I felt different within two hours. This verse comes to mind:

Matthew 24:12 - And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
you know, I had a whole idea to say to the original poster who questioned this to be like "we were never designed to even think about this, for Jerusalem which crucified Christ only contained 30,000 people."

But then I read this, and realised it was foretold. That we've become cold because God predestined it.

By our predestination to be cold, let us then be called by our predestination to be in our Lord Jesus Christ to love those people insofar as we're able. Put them absolutely in our prayers if we cannot put them absolutely in what we do.
 
honest- I snorted when I saw this.

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Recently, I've been rather lost when it comes to what I should call God, and while that question might sound foolish on the surface, it does have theological implications for me. Most Copts, Maronites, and Syriacs just call God Allah, but I have reservations regarding this since for all I know Allah really was just a Meccan lunar deity, and so it'd be like praying to God but calling him Baal or Moloch. I'm not sure if something like this has been encountered before, the Israelites started out worshipping God correctly so any idols of "El" or "YHWH" aren't the origin of the name and using them in reference to God would be alright, I believe early Christians used Theos or Kristos and then Deus post-Constantine, and the Slavic churches use "Boh" or some other variation which as far as I know aren't originally the name of a Pagan diety. Your advice would be appreciated.
Yahweh is God's personal name, so Yahweh is good. When praying, Jesus instructs us to pray to the Father, so Father is also appropriate - as is God, and Lord, and it's pefectly fine to pray to Jesus and the Spirit by name as well when calling on them for certain things (like, say, praying with thanks to Jesus for dying for us, or asking the Spirit to work in us). Ultimately, any of the names we see God called by in the Bible are fine - God knows that we are calling on him.

The specific use case of "God Hated Esau" may mean that God distanced Himself from Esau, and favored Jacob instead.

I have read other interpretations of God Hating Esau and Loving Jacob is meant for prophetic purposes, meaning He loved Israel and hated Edom, as per Malachi 1:1-5.
What it means is that God chose - predestined - Jacob to salvation by no merit of Jacob's own, and left Esau to reprobation as he (and we) all deserve. It is one of the texts Paul uses in Romans 9 to make it abundantly clear that God's choices of election are dependent on God's choices, not on ours. The reason you are unsure on precisely what this passage means is because you, like many others, don't want to fully accept what Paul is saying about predestination for whatever reason.
 
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What it means is that God chose - predestined - Jacob to salvation by no merit of Jacob's own, and left Esau to reprobation as he (and we) all deserve.
It's interesting to me that Isaac preferred Essau to Jacob because of the gifts God gave him (outdoorsman / hunter) to (homebody / momma's boy), while Rebekkah preferred the opposite. Jacob was, in my estimation, a far worse person than his brother, but God's sovereign will should not care what I think should have been done concerning the two. The similarities between the person Jacob / Israel and the nation (deceiving / conniving / wrestling with God) are too striking to be coincidence to me.
 
Hey, since Revelation 21:21 says that the Pearly Gates are made of a pearl each, I was thinking, how big would that oyster have to be? Does God have like kaiju-sized oysters sitting around in Heaven? Do they have names? Does he keep them as pets? I just imagine an oyster as big as a block.
 
Looking through Today's Gospel reading the end of verse 45 struck me with something I'd never noticed before.
It reads like, before this, Jesus was able to preach in the cities and villages comfortably, while the leper lived alone the wilds as was custom. Christ traded places with the leper and took on the punishment of exile so the other guy could go back home. :(
 
Looking through Today's Gospel reading the end of verse 45 struck me with something I'd never noticed before.
It reads like, before this, Jesus was able to preach in the cities and villages comfortably, while the leper lived alone the wilds as was custom. Christ traded places with the leper and took on the punishment of exile so the other guy could go back home. :(
Interesting to think that Jesus didn't come to minister to the crowds but the more remote villages, even the three wise men came from the far East to inquire about the newborn king of the Jews so that they might worship him (Matthew 2:2). The city of Jerusalem that was much nearer to Bethlehem didn't seem to question about their Messiah, so it seems to be a theme where God uses the unlikely ones in his plan, Saul > Paul is an easy example.
 
This is gonna be me talking off the cuff so forgive me for this, but the more I read about Christianity the more I see certain "patterns"/"tropes" in Islam, let me explain: I've just watched InspiringPhilosophy's video on whether or not God sends people to Hell, but to save a 30 minute watch the general idea is God doesn't send people to Hell, but out of their own pride, stubbornness, and love for other things in their life but God, people essentially send themselves into Hell with the analogy being that the gates of Heaven are open but the gates of Hell are locked from the inside, if I remember correctly there was a post in this thread that said something along these lines. Outside of the parable of the Rich Man & Lazarus, Hell is described as a dark gloomy place akin to Sheol and not as a place of fire, and Jesus consistently uses "fire" as a metaphor in other parables some of which aren't about Hell.
Even in the Book of Revelations, as sinners are being punished for their sins they don't ask for God's mercy nor to repent but instead they curse God much like how modern day atheists refer to Heaven as a "celestial North Korea" or to God as all manner of things such as dictator, tyrant, and so on, and of course all of this is opposed to the popular vision of Hell being a place of fire and brimstone where you are tortured physically for your misdeeds, this last part is especially important so keep it in mind.

With all of this taken into account, it puts into perspective a lot of things that Mohammed wrote down in the Qur'an (Possibly with the aid of demons if he really was illiterate as is often claimed, but I think he wrote it all by himself with what's coming next). For example: Muhammed constantly describes "Jahannam" i.e Gehenna/Hell as a place of fire, brimstone, eternal torture, and so on, another name for Hell in Islam is even Al-Nar which means the Fire, the only thing missing him having his enemies be in Hell a la Dante but he kind of implies that when he wrote about Abu Lahab. Another thing Mo' describes in the Qur'an is how sinners/disbelievers will have their faces turn black as opposed to believers who will have theirs turn white on the Judgement Day, and that said disbelievers will beseech God for forgiveness.
Now what Mohammed describes is not the true but unpopular belief of Hell but, what is even today, a popular misconception of what Hell is. Even his description of what will happen on the Day of Judgement is that of a layman, where sinners would obviously ask God for mercy instead of cursing him! The more and more you look, the more you realize that Mohammed was writing down the popular idea of Hell, not what Hell actually is, which fits in quite nicely with other details about his life when you realize he was a wandering merchant who would've obviously interacted with the various Jewish tribes around Mecca such as those of Khaybar, Medina, and Bani Qurayza and who would've had passing knowledge of Christianity from local Christians and stories from the Ghassanids (Who were Arab Christians on the Byzantine borderlands).

Soon enough, you start noticing more and more details that are less the revealed truth of God upon an illiterate merchant, and more a lay person's popular misconceptions about the Bible: Pharoah is explicitly stated to have drowned unlike Exodus where it's left unclear (Said Pharoah was likely Rameses III), Mohammed thinking the Gospel (And perhaps the Bible, depending on definition) was one book, and the Trinity being Mary, the Son, and the Father. These are all ideas you could logically if you had a passing idea of what's contained in the Bible and even ones that some Christians hold to this day, mainly the Pharoah drowning bit.
The most poignant point I believe is that while Islam makes sense in terms of broad strokes, it falls apart once you get into details. Take, for example, the story of the Crucifixion of Jesus; It perfectly fits into the prophecy of the suffering servant from Isaiah, it's what the whole life of Jesus has been building up to and his been foreshadowing ("No greater love than for a man to lay down his life for his friends"), and in the end it represents the triumph of God and as a showcase of his mercy and forgiveness. In Islam? A passing mention that the crucifixion appeared to have happened to those present but that Jesus was actually raised into Heaven alive. Now if you don't know too much about Christianity or don't think too hard into it, you might say "Makes sense" but even put two-and-two together and it collapses in on itself, here are some bulletpoints:

  1. If Jesus was raised into Heaven alive, who was on the Cross and accepted the penitent thief, said the sayings, was brought down, and buried?
    Muslim Scholars after Mohammed had to present cope explanations for this, from the ironically Gnostic belief that it was Judas on the cross instead of Jesus (Which opens up a whole other can of worms over who hung himself at the field purchased with the 30 coins) or that it simply was an apparition to fool everyone. Why would God do this when he could just save Jesus, bring him down from the Cross, destroy the Temple and rebuild it in 3 days? Beats Mohammed, he probably didn't think about it too hard.

  2. Why did none of Jesus' original 12 Apostles contest the claim that Jesus was the Son of God if according to Islam he was simply a prophet and even prophesized that a prophet named "Ahmed" (kek) would come after him?
    From my own experiences, there is no comeback which tackles this in a satisfying fashion, Islamic laity will try to change the subject because they don't know or claim that the Bible is fabricated (Which again, even more questions), and I assume Da'wah types would shift the blame onto Paul which is in any case thoroughly explained by Christian apologetics.

  3. Who then rose from Jesus' grave, who met the Apostles, whose wound did Thomas thrust his hand into, and who forgave Peter and who ascended to Heaven?
    In this case, I'd assume both the laity and the Da'wah types would just default to "None of that happened" despite the can of worms which that opens in terms of implications,

Even in the Qur'an, there are elements borrowed straight from Gnosticism or late Christian stories, on the Gnostic side of things, Jesus turns clay birds into actual birds which I believe is taken straight from one of the apocryphal Gnostic Secret Gospels. However the closest thing you can get to a smoking gun when it comes to the realm of elements that Mohammed borrowed and shoved into the Qur'an is the folk story of the "Companions of the Cave", which is 5-6th century story of a non-descript number of Christians who take refuge in a cave during (If I'm not wrong) the Diocletianic persecutions along with a dog and sleep for 200-300 years. Mind you, this story is mentioned nowhere pre-Constantine and by its nature as a folk story would've likely been passed around many times by the laity from Byzantium to Arabia and eventually reaching Mohammed who would include it in the Qur'an for whatever reason.

It really is baffling how much the composition of the Qur'an makes sense when you look at it from the perspective of a skeptic and not a believer, when you take things with a grain of salt instead of conjuring up explanations, copes, and engaging in mental gymnastics. With all this taken into account, you're ultimately left with two possibilities:

A. Mohammed was a man going through a midlife crisis who was literate and went up into a cave in the mountains around Mecca to meditate and wanted to get some action in his life.
OR
B. Mohammed was a man was deceived by a demon during one of his meditations in a cave in the mountains around Mecca and who, once he realized that LARPing as Jesus by peacefully preaching wasn't working out, took up raiding and indulged in his vices and eventually won out.
OR
C. Either of the above but he was mentally ill and deluded himself over time.

tl;dr?
I really, really don't like Mo.

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I was reading a thing about leaving different religions and it made me wonder, how does renouncement of faith work in Christianity? Is switching to a different sect considered a renouncement of faith?
Depends? For denominations which claim sole authority, switching churches would be apostasy... but I think Christian have come to agree it's easier to draw someone back into a community when you don't call them a Villainous Heretic. Mainstream Christians like the Apostolics and normal protestants won't do much, probably. Christian sects have a habit of un-personing those who leave.... but at least Joseph Smith didn't teach Apostates were to be killed.
 
I was reading a thing about leaving different religions and it made me wonder, how does renouncement of faith work in Christianity? Is switching to a different sect considered a renouncement of faith?
It depends on what sect you are leaving; Catholics consider leaving their church as an anathema (being an apostacy) which means they think you are going to hell. I've known people that were baptised as an infant in the Catholic church that will be baptised again in a Protestant church because they are making a public declaration to follow the (same?) Protestant trinity. Protestants openly allow church shopping as there isn't a central dioses for most protestant sects.
Edit: in fact, physical punishment and social ostracization evokes the cruel arrogance of the Pharisees, the ur-opposition to Christian morality. Treating people without mercy while emphasizing punitive justice was what made Jesus excoriate them publicly.
Christ was no fan of hypocrites, which I think extends to his distaste for lukewarmness. We have to pick a side to love: the world or God. The Pharisees put importance on being seen to uphold the law, not actually helping people... when Jesus would help people on the sabbath, he asked if it's easier to forgive or command (Mark 2:9).
 
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I was reading a thing about leaving different religions and it made me wonder, how does renouncement of faith work in Christianity? Is switching to a different sect considered a renouncement of faith?
No sect of Christianity that I know of currently advocates violence towards the apostate, unlike many other religions, but people are people and you will be shunned, be the target of rumormongering and possibly face violence if your former church fellows are retarded enough. However, the broad consensus is that apostasy is a tragic and soul-endangering act to be ministered to, not to punish with fire and sword. Historically this was not the case. Apostasy was punished with seizure of property, exile and/or execution in pre-Enlightenment Christianity.

Changing denominations is seen as a renunciation of the true faith by whatever sect you left. A Catholic will watch with dismay, thinking that the Protestant convert has just chosen a deficient faith at best and damnation at worst (i.e. Anathema). Choosing to do that is often a rejection of community. Renouncing Catholicism publicly in a town where all your neighbors are Catholic is going to make some people hate you, possibly enough to fuck with you, but neither Christ nor the present church law structure demands that we actively punish them.

Edit: in fact, physical punishment and social ostracization evokes the cruel arrogance of the Pharisees, the ur-opposition to Christian morality. Treating people without mercy while emphasizing punitive justice was what made Jesus excoriate them publicly.
 
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A. Mohammed was a man going through a midlife crisis who was literate and went up into a cave in the mountains around Mecca to meditate and wanted to get some action in his life.
OR
B. Mohammed was a man was deceived by a demon during one of his meditations in a cave in the mountains around Mecca and who, once he realized that LARPing as Jesus by peacefully preaching wasn't working out, took up raiding and indulged in his vices and eventually won out.
OR
C. Either of the above but he was mentally ill and deluded himself over time.
If you examine Islam from the perspective that it's intended as a kind of Satanic paraody of Christianity things get interesting. Like Allah is referred to as the greatest of deceivers.

One of my favourite hadith passages is the one where Muhammad is referred to as 'all ears' - he just believed whatever anyone else told him, and put it in the Qu'ran (so to speak).
 
I was reading a thing about leaving different religions and it made me wonder, how does renouncement of faith work in Christianity? Is switching to a different sect considered a renouncement of faith?
From a Catholic perspective: leaving the Church for a protestant sect, or an eastern church, is schism (the rupture of ecclesiastical union and unity); leaving the Church for a nontrinitarian sect (mormon, JWs, etc), or a different religion (judaism, islam, etc), is apostasy a fide (complete and voluntary abandonment of the Christian religion); denial of a specific point of the deposit of faith, like the denial of the filioque or believing in sola scriptura, is heresy (restricting belief to certain points of Christ's doctrine selected and fashioned at pleasure).

Apostasy, schism, and heresy are different sins but related, so that's why it is usually talked about in conjunction. Schism almost always follows from a heresy or becomes heretical, and most of the time it's about a denial of papal authority. Schism can also, but not always, lead to apostasy, as the oneness pentecostals or oneness universalists have, since leaving the Church cuts you off the graces she gives and you are left with no authority to determine the correct doctrine.

Now you don't have to be public with this sins for them to have an effect on the soul; i.e. if you believe in an error condemned by the Church, or deny a dogma, you are sinning even if you don't go public with it, same for apostasy. Schism is a bit more complicated since you need to rebel against a religious authority (be it the Pope, your Bishop, etc) which implies some level of publicity, but they start in the heart as contempt for the superior, and then they manifest as acts.
diocesis
"dioses" means gods in spanish lol
 
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It's Holy Theophany of Our Lord Jesus Christ today!
Me and a few of my friends have celebrated it by diving into a blessed ice hole at the local river in a -40C weather in the company of onlookers, as is tradition here. My hair turned into one big ice cone and my ears and fingers were NOT happy about such extreme conditions, but feeling manly and badass right afterwards is always worth it.
Reminder that Christianity is not a religion of grief and having fun celebrating things is a healthy part of life ☦️
 
Who are you going to be more thankful for? The one who puts 100 dollars in your donation box, or the other poor person who puts in 2 dollars? Who is being more helpful?
Assume you're a kid and your parents are getting divorced (because I can already tell your little nigga ass was raised by one parent).

One parent is rich as fuck, but also an absentee deadbeat and gives you $100 to spend but otherwise wants nothing to do with you.

The other parent is poor from getting divorce-raped and has nothing to give you, but spends all their time with you, and tries to give you a loving childhood with what little they have.

Which parent loved you more?
 
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