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i am baffled by the greenland strategy. what chapter of "art of the deal" is this from? increasing the US security presence in exchange for some sort of guarantee to exclude China and Russia makes a lot of sense, and in today's climate i'm sure even the Europeans would agree. but what is accomplished by so petulantly alienating Western allies during a time where Trump is so starved for support both domestically and internationally? i mean FFS canada just kowtowed to emperor Xi last week on EVs thanks to trump's bullying. why is he following that up with a double-down on publicly shaming/bullying the europeans into doing something major that they would obviously despise doing for a soon-to-be lame duck president? somebody makes it make sense.
I think trump tends to miss the forest for the trees
Because they are useless fucks that have done nothing but let their own people be raped by hordes of endless migrants?

They sure had no problem accepting our money when we were funding 4/5 of NATO's budget and supplying Ukraine with shit.

Also, Canada has been historically destroying itself just to spite the US.

Make "Europe as an ally" make sense to the US.
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Do you have no idea what leverage is?

America has such strong leverage in this scenario that either he gets what he wants or Europe gets fucked and America saves money. It’s a win-win scenario.

Has also not really starved for support. His policies are popular with most voters and every country that matters has shown support for working with him
How in the world is it a Win-win?
Migger be realistic for one second.Do you honestly believe that the greenlander who have explicitly said they want to be their own country will agree to a buy out because off...... tariffs?!?!
Man hated by everyone in the world already? It wouldn’t matter if Trump went into a lab and cured cancer, everyone and all faggy euros would still think he’s the worlds greatest monster.
Sure, but he is not curing cancer here is he? He is malding about getting ownership over land after being explicitly refused
 
Do you have no idea what leverage is?

America has such strong leverage in this scenario that either he gets what he wants or Europe gets fucked and America saves money. It’s a win-win scenario.
europe absolutely has leverage, what are you talking about? they could withhold ratifying the trade deal that benefits us more than it does them or do retaliatory tariffs. if they just keep saying "no" he'll probably do something even more erratic and self-destructive. futures are already down over 1% and if this turns into a protracted trade dispute over greenland then trump will say "uncle" as soon as he can't handle the market heat after another week or so just like he did with the "liberation day" tariffs because TACO. i will be astonished if he pulls this off but i really just don't see anything happening other than international embarrassment.

Has also not really starved for support. His policies are popular with most voters and every country that matters has shown support for working with him
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been only moving in one direction since election day. par for the course sure but still not great.

He is malding about getting ownership over land after being explicitly refused
it really does seem like he is furious that he is not getting the respect and appreciation he believes he deserves. not getting the nobel prize has seriously fucked with his head.
 
I'm torn.

On one hand this isn't very convincing and the way it's written seems more like one of Trump's tweets than it does something he'd write as a private correspondence with a world leader. It could very well be bs, especially as I don't see it on PBS's site.

But on the other hand, this is hilarious and based as fuck so I kinda hope it's real.
It reads more like a parody of Trump than Trump himself. But then again, I thought the Rob Reiner tweet was a parody and it turned out to be fucking real so who knows?
 
i am baffled by the greenland strategy. what chapter of "art of the deal" is this from? increasing the US security presence in exchange for some sort of guarantee to exclude China and Russia makes a lot of sense, and in today's climate i'm sure even the Europeans would agree. but what is accomplished by so petulantly alienating Western allies during a time where Trump is so starved for support both domestically and internationally? i mean FFS canada just kowtowed to emperor Xi last week on EVs thanks to trump's bullying. why is he following that up with a double-down on publicly shaming/bullying the europeans into doing something major that they would obviously despise doing for a soon-to-be lame duck president? somebody makes it make sense.

TLDR: Canada and Europe are "allies" on paper, but they're more like petulant children who bite the hand that feeds.

Trump literally called out the Germans in 2016 for their dependence on Russian gas and oil, to which the German delegation was laughing. That clip aged poorly for the Germans, yet that never stopped German leadership from going full speed ahead with the NordStream pipelines, let alone dismantling their nuclear infrastructure and going all-in on renewables offset by Russian gas and oil. France is hardly any better now that they're the ones in control of the EU; the French will gleefully mock Americans for the shitshow that the 2024 election was while Macron gets shit thrown at him and garbage piles up because of the looming pension crisis and overall decline in French QOL since Macron took power in 2015.

The EU as a bloc is fundamentally incapable of aligning itself on any given matter without a common enemy, beyond vague notions of authoritarianism and censorship. Their defences are directly subsidised by America, obviously Americans are always willing to join Europeans online to mock the dog and pony show that American politics tends to devolve into, but EU leadership gets indignant whenever you mock their institutions instead of focusing on how "bad" American ones are. EU leadership doesn't like getting called out on their hypocrisies, contradictions, and failures to live up to their end of the bargain.

Canada has a huge anti-American reactionary bent in their domestic politics. Even under sympathetic liberal-aligned presidents like Obama and Biden, the big thing that defined Canadian politics was "how can we differentiate ourselves from America?" regardless of how badly they fuck over Canadian citizens on the ground. What Canadian leadership forgets, or often wilfully ignores, is how their decisions for international relations ultimately have a downstream impact on America. NAFTA and the USMCA are theoretically meant to promote frictionless trade between the USA, Canada, and Mexico, but what often happens is that Chinese goods end up on American shores by using Canada and Mexico as springboards for origin washing. Trade enforcement has improved dramatically in Mexico, but not necessarily Canada. Riddle me this: how the hell is puerh or ashwagandha tea a product of Canada when puerh is Chinese, ashwagandha is Indian, and the entire North American continent is hostile to tea growth?

What's darkly amusing is that "Canada" as we think of it didn't actually exist until 1867 when all the territories were federated by the Crown, and even then, Canada remained a hideously poor rural backwater for centuries post-American Revolution. It wasn't until the post-WW2 period where Canada modernised, gained "independence" (despite still pleading fealty to the Crown), and laid down all its modern infrastructure... explicitly mimicking American paradigms in the process. Canadian history textbooks are more interested in self-flagellating over crimes committed against First Nation peoples and extolling how they're "different" from America, despite that differentiation literally being the reason why Canada stagnated and lived in poverty for a few centuries and their overall QOL increasing dramatically once they started aping on American paradigms.

Canada nowadays is a living example of how oppositional defiance to America at all costs ain't a good thing in the slightest.

- The USA under Clinton, Bush, Obama, and Trump hates migrants and deports them? Well guess what? We're gonna lower all the barriers for immigration to Canada and allow Han Chinese and ethnic Punjabis to flood Canada regardless of the long-term economic and social consequences to the average Canadian citizen. The real estate crisis in America, for all its faults, is nowhere near as dysfunctional as Canada's because half of Toronto and Vancouver is now owned by either Han Chinese or ethnic Punjabis buying out property and businesses.

- The USA under Trump 45, Biden, and Trump 47 is playing hardball with China? Well guess what? We're gonna butter up General Secretary of the Communist Party of China, Chairman of the People's Liberation Army, and President of the People's Republic of China, Xi Jinping, and only play ball with America when Washington DC threatens us with economic blowback if we don't fall in line. Yeah, they had the Huawei lady under house arrest, but that didn't stop them from playing nicely with China in other respects while the Chinese held Canadian political prisoners in retaliation under far worse conditions.

- The USA's healthcare system is so fundamentally awful that Canada decided "we're gonna make our healthcare system single payer, but then also incentivise MAID as a means of funnelling poor people who otherwise drain resources into assisted suicide... and still subsidise the healthcare of migrants that we care about more than the average Canadian citizen."

I genuinely could go on and on and on, but it's ultimately self-demonstrating at this point. If Canada and the EU are our "allies," then I dread to imagine what our "enemies" act like.
 
It's really not anything new that the left is 'riots for me but not for thee'. Hypocrisy is their entire mindset and always has and will be.
It's incredible how much cognitive dissonance you shove behind the "I'm doing this for the greater good" mentality.
You can justify literally any atrocity if you convince yourself that killing a billion people (especially if those billion people happen to be part of a group you already dislike) to save two billion.
 
i mean FFS canada just kowtowed to emperor Xi last week on EVs thanks to trump's bullyin
I really don't think the Canadians needed an excuse to get down on their knees and suck Xi's tiny yellow cock, they would have done that regardless of what Trump says or does
but what is accomplished by so petulantly alienating Western allies
Europe are really not America's allies. Firstly, the overwhelming sentiment amongst Europeans is that Americans are stupid and ignorant. Secondly, you seem to be missing that most European leaders fucking despise their constituents and want them to suffer.

The Europeans and Canada are not America's allies in any meaningful sense. They are more like their welfare gibs niggas. They want to continue being subsidised by America while, at the same time, calling them racist. And they are apoplectic if America dare ask for anything back.
 
Activists never debate the issues because they never actually know anything about the issues. They always argue their own feelings
Leftists are all women, and that includes the men.

there's no way in hell white black and hispanic americans all support deportations with almost identical percentages in favor
Who do you think takes the brunt of illegal immigration? Nonwhite American citizens.
 
France is hardly any better now that they're the ones in control of the EU; the French will gleefully mock Americans for the shitshow that the 2024 election was while Macron gets shit thrown at him and garbage piles up because of the looming pension crisis and overall decline in French QOL since Macron took power in 2015.
We are in control ? As a French, our government is so fucking incompetent and unwilling to do anything that I don't even think we're in control of our own country. Macron is hated by almost everyone, he was only reelected because his opponent Marine Le Pen is a corrupt fraud leading a movement founded by ex-Nazis now made almost exclusively of homosexuals. Everything is going down here, and people doesn't have any political power to change anything, except by choosing which corrupted leader we will have every 5 years.

I understand why Trump doesn't think we're good allies. I don't think his tactics will change that though.
 
Europeans are wasting space occupying usable land that America could make better use off. They don't even have a space program. All they are doing with the land is imprisoning their own people and letting them get raped to death by muslims.
 
I understand why Trump doesn't think we're good allies. I don't think his tactics will change that though.
Cause he's playing softball. He's really more of a politician than anybody gives him credit for.

If he wanted to play hardball, I think he could just sell their bonds. US is subsidising the Euros currency
 
We are in control ? As a French, our government is so fucking incompetent and unwilling to do anything that I don't even think we're in control of our own country. Macron is hated by almost everyone, he was only reelected because his opponent Marine Le Pen is a corrupt fraud leading a movement founded by ex-Nazis now made almost exclusively of homosexuals. Everything is going down here, and people doesn't have any political power to change anything, except by choosing which corrupted leader we will have every 5 years.

I understand why Trump doesn't think we're good allies. I don't think his tactics will change that though.

Isn't France now in charge of the EU the way Germany was? Something something rotating EU presidency or whatever the proper nomenclature is?
 
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