Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

[Mikoyan]

I prefer to believe he has a motorhome full of old-style brown West reporters.

Let me have a dream.

Of course not.

Those go in the trailer behind the motorhome.

Seriously it's a massive boon being able to search all that digitally now.

 

[talk talk talk]

Those go in the trailer behind the motorhome.

That's for his A.L.R.s

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

He says he pulled the physical Federal Appendix.

I suspect that he did a digital search, and then grabbed a library with the volumes and thumbed through them - all of this in service of proving it wasn’t an “honest mistake, off by one”. He’s proved it is NOT a typo but instead an AI hallucination to me.

 

[Harvey Danger]

He’s proved it is NOT a typo but instead an AI hallucination to me.

Greer is going to insist it's a typo until his dying day. Hardin's made his point, I think instead of starting yet another slapfight he should drive home it's a false cite even if it was a typo. The case he included at 441-1 outlines several ways a cite could have the correct identifier, but still be a false or "misleading citation". Greer is guilty of all of them.

I'd also like him to demand that Greer show how O'Bannon is "persuasive authority" in any way relevant to this case. He can even let Greer choose which of the 3 O'Bannon cases he meant. For extra entertainment value, wait for the judge to call another omnibus hearing, then ask the question directly. The judge already seemed willing to grill Greer live.

 

[HTTP Error 404]

Greer is so desperate to score a sanction on Hardin, is he so desperately in need of his tree fiddy back?

No, it's 8 year old stunted retard logic. Greeeeee was punished by Mr. Teacher Judge so Hardin has to be punished too. That's the only way it's "fair."

I'm absolutely certain that retard had similar shit happen to him when he was a kid. Caused some shit in school, the teachers gave up trying to figure out what the retard did to cause the other kids to push his drooling face away from them and just punished everyone equally so it's fair. (Read: Easy and over with and no one can complain and Gree will shut the fuck up and Gree's parents won't come down on the teachers for picking on their precious widdle tard baby angel.)

This is how the world works in his mind. Gree does something socially unacceptable, people give up trying to get him to stop via social clues as Gree believes there are three types of people in the world -- himself, holes to stick him his penis in, and npcs that don't matter -- and stop him some other way (slapping him stupid, pushing him away, screaming at him, etc), then everyone gets punished equally because no one's at fault it's just a thing that happened.

Since he cannot conceive of a universe in which he's at fault for anything, ever, Hardin MUST be sanctioned by the court too, because that's "fair" and it means no one's at fault for anything, especially not Gree.

 

[Sexy Senior Citizen]

Greer is so desperate to score a sanction on Hardin, is he so desperately in need of his tree fiddy back?

I think he needs to finance his other lolsuit.

 

[Accept Only Substitutes]

Has anyone kept count of how many different instances of Greer’s sanctionable offenses there’s been? I’m curious to know just how easy Hardin is going on the tard. I know he could have asked for a lot more sanctions than he has, we’ll ignore the fact that asking the court for sanctions every time would just piss off the court.

 

[AngeloTheWizard]

Holy fucking goddamn shit Greer shut the fuck up

Has anyone kept count of how many different instances of Greer’s sanctionable offenses there’s been? I’m curious to know just how easy Hardin is going on the tard. I know he could have asked for a lot more sanctions than he has, we’ll ignore the fact that asking the court for sanctions every time would just piss off the court.

Count how many filings Greer has made and you will likely arrive at a ballpark estimate. Maybe that's too low, maybe double it. Point is if we went after every sanctionable thing, we'd clog this case up even worse than it already is. It just is not fucking worth it to go after everything especially when the judges have already growled at us for being mean to the tard.

I understand you're asking out of curiosity and I'm just mad but yes, Hardship is going incredibly easy in hopes of remaining in the good graces of the court and not looking like a tard slapping asshole.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

Has anyone kept count of how many different instances of Greer’s sanctionable offenses there’s been?

Literally every single mention of police in his filings is false. He has even confessed to Mr. Hardin (it was filed with the court a while back) that he lies about this in hopes of extorting Mr. Hardin.

 

[ConSluttant]

Holy fucking goddamn shit Greer shut the fuck up

Count how many filings Greer has made and you will likely arrive at a ballpark estimate. Maybe that's too low, maybe double it. Point is if we went after every sanctionable thing, we'd clog this case up even worse than it already is. It just is not fucking worth it to go after everything especially when the judges have already growled at us for being mean to the tard.

I understand you're asking out of curiosity and I'm just mad but yes, Hardship is going incredibly easy in hopes of remaining in the good graces of the court and not looking like a tard slapping asshole.

I think we are all some form of MATI at Greeee. I myself am hovering between frothing at the mouth and steam coming out of the ears MATI at his hijinx. But I just. Can't. Look. Away. It's the worst case of self-induced blood pressure elevation I've ever participated in. Worse even than Laura Owens vs. Men Who Say No I think. But I can't stop. I'm invested - both monetarily and emotionally. It is what it is.

Literally every single mention of police in his filings is false. He has even confessed to Mr. Hardin (it was filed with the court a while back) that he lies about this in hopes of extorting Mr. Hardin.

All he knows how to do is extort people. His extortion is for attention, sukk me my penis, or Dollary-doos because fee-fees hurt. He is the living embodiment of extortion. He needs a goddamn sign.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Hardin burning the midnight oil tonight (or close to it)
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We knew it was inevitable that ChatGreePT would start hallucinating cases. Amazing that it would hallucinate a bunch of them at once lmfao.

 

[Harvey Danger]

We knew it was inevitable that ChatGreePT would start hallucinating cases. Amazing that it would hallucinate a bunch of them at once lmfao.

Hardin was calling him out for hallucinated cites back in October, so it was present nearly from the start of his AI use. We noticed the disappearance of citations after that, and now that cites are back Hardin caught him again.

My theory is Greer did, briefly, take Hardin's warnings seriously. He didn't respond by checking cites, doing his own analysis, researching his own cases; that would be too much work. Instead, he just edited out all the cites the AI gave him so he wouldn't get caught.

But keeping up that vigilance for more than 2 months is exhausting, especially once he got in the swing of firing off immediate AI responses. Or maybe he got a new job that cuts down on his lawsuit time. So he just let the AI cook unsupervised this week, it immediately hallucinated, and Hardin immediately smacked him down for it.

Giving him the most benefit of the doubt: maybe, possibly, Greer did "check" cites by googling the party names the AI gave him. Then if any real case popped up in the results, he called that "verification" and fired off his filing.

 

[Greasy Goblin]

I think we are all some form of MATI at Greeee. I myself am hovering between frothing at the mouth and steam coming out of the ears MATI at his hijinx. But I just. Can't. Look. Away. It's the worst case of self-induced blood pressure elevation I've ever participated in. Worse even than Laura Owens vs. Men Who Say No I think. But I can't stop. I'm invested - both monetarily and emotionally. It is what it is.

I can't bring myself to be MATI at him. There's always going to be dipshits and bad actors that try to exploit every system possible. It's basically a force of retarded nature, I can't be any more mad at him than a flood or a tornado. What makes me MATI about this is how its been treated with kid gloves for so long, which is probably why the Greer thread proper doesn't interest me so much, but this thread really does. You can't expect anything from him, so there's nothing to lose. But the courts and the judges...?

 

[Watching Rekieta]

We knew it was inevitable that ChatGreePT would start hallucinating cases. Amazing that it would hallucinate a bunch of them at once lmfao.

What's really amazing is GreeeeeePT anticipated what case Hardin should have cited and then it knew that Hardin would try to use it so it obfuscated the citation so Hardin wouldn't violate copyright. Again. And after Russ provided Hardin with free legal help, the ungrateful stalker child dared to report the very purposeful, deliberate and in no way deceitful Brothel Prince to the court. Russ provided that case as a free courtesy.

 

[Thomas Talus]

What's really amazing is GreeeeeePT anticipated what case Hardin should have cited and then it knew that Hardin would try to use it so it obfuscated the citation so Hardin wouldn't violate copyright. Again. And after Russ provided Hardin with free legal help, the ungrateful stalker child dared to report the very purposeful, deliberate and in no way deceitful Brothel Prince to the court. Russ provided that case as a free courtesy.

Except it wouldn't be the case Hardin cited, because it's from the Appendix, not the Reporter, and isn't meant to be precedential.

 

[AnOminous]

Except it wouldn't be the case Hardin cited, because it's from the Appendix, not the Reporter, and isn't meant to be precedential.

It's persuasive authority at best, not that it really matters, because it doesn't even support Russhole's Greeeeeing.

 

[Thomas Talus]

It's persuasive authority at best, not that it really matters, because it doesn't even support Russhole's Greeeeeing.

I'm just saying that GPT doesn't seem to recognize the Appendix isn't going to be relied on by a lawyer in the same way as a regular Reporter.

 

[AnOminous]

I'm just saying that GPT doesn't seem to recognize the Appendix isn't going to be relied on by a lawyer in the same way as a regular Reporter.

It's the sort of thing you might cite, but more often, you'd use it to lift reasoning from the opinion and try to find apposite citations from your region that are actually binding.

Also, the general practice of designating opinions as unpublished and non-binding is increasingly disparaged. I generally disagree with the ability of a court, especially an appeals court to make a "just this time" opinion. It virtually encourages corruption.

 

[koos koets]

Hardin has yet to respond to the blatantly lying drooler (442 NOTICE of Defendants' False Statement of Fact), I have a feeling something big is coming. I mean he can't keep getting away with it right?.........right?

 

[lolwatagain]

It's the sort of thing you might cite, but more often, you'd use it to lift reasoning from the opinion and try to find apposite citations from your region that are actually binding.

Also, the general practice of designating opinions as unpublished and non-binding is increasingly disparaged. I generally disagree with the ability of a court, especially an appeals court to make a "just this time" opinion. It virtually encourages corruption.

I was under the impression that most unpublished appeals opinions were unpublished because a published opinion cited already covers similar facts and applicable law. I haven't seen any cases where the appeals court rules in favor of a party just as a treat; but I'm not usually reading F.Appx cases.