Sorry for the double post, boys. I got distracted because my cat knocked a beer off my desk and I had to clean up the mess before it seeped into my keyboard. You know how it is with the 'tism, I can't focus on wrecking some retard's argument when there's a literal spill hazard in my battlestation. Carry on.
Don't you CARE about GENOCIDE!?
No, I won't give you any details about what's going on. Do your on research. On second thought, don't do any research. Just denounce genocide. Stop asking questions, genocide supporter. Say the line.
This is peak NPC behavior right here. You can practically see the neural pathways misfiring. They scream a word like "genocide", which actually has a specific legal definition involving the intent to destroy a group in whole or in part like it’s a magic spell that ends the argument. The funny part is that these people have totally drained the word of any meaning by throwing it at everything from video game patches to breakfast cereals. It’s just a performative gesture now, a way to signal virtue without doing any heavy lifting or actual thinking
They want you to "say the line" because they can't handle nuance. It’s a cult-like demand for conformity. Notice how they tell you not to do research? That's the dead giveaway. Critical thinking is their kryptonite. If you actually looked into the history or the facts, you might not reach the conclusion they want, so they demand blind obedience to the narrative instead. It’s not about saving lives; it’s about making sure you submit to their moral framework. They treat political opinions like a loyalty test, and if you fail, you're the enemy. It’s honestly hilarious how fragile their worldview is that it can be shattered by someone simply asking questions on a forum.
I honestly wish the conflict's end amounted to putting hamas in the dirt(regardless of what you think of the IDF, I truly do not think it is possible to coexist with the likes of hamas) and hashing out the rest of the bad blood over a heated game of football or padel or whatever but it's not happening since all the people apparently mediating treat either side like a proximity triggered nuke('peace summits' that don't involve either side of the conflict and have to this day resulted in lots of arrogant "DA CITY OF PEACE!" advertisement and rhetoric, endless condemnations and calls for restraint that don't do shit while innocents on either side die) or retarded barely tangential protests and civilian "sanctions" that lead to nothing but even more bad blood that will lead to more forever grudges.
It's simply put boring as fuck and I'm tired of it and of feeling like a minority for not thinking that this cycle of people dying to fucking nothing while 'the international community' does nothing but issue endless condemnations constantly flip flopping between which side to condemn and who should exercise restraint and I get nothing but countless domestic and international ads and tv spaces calling for my sympathy and charity as if that's simply the way it should be and wanting it to end meaning I want some actual permenant solution instead of both parties going back to lick their wounds and preparing for the next cycle.
You're right that it's boring, but I think you're being way too optimistic about the "football game" ending. That kind of civility only works when both sides value their own existence more than they hate the other guy. Hamas isn't a political party you can just vote out or sign a treaty with; they're religious fundamentalists. Their entire brand is martyrdom. You can't "coexist" with a neighbor whose explicit goal is to die while taking you out. Putting them in the dirt is the only logical conclusion, but let's not pretend that solves the Gaza issue. You kill one martyr, and you just create five more radicals who are ready to sign up.
Where I disagree is the idea that the "international community" is failing by not mediating. I’d argue the mediators are the problem. Every time the UN or the US steps in to broker a ceasefire, they're just hitting the pause button on the war. It lets the terrorists restock rockets and lets the IDF lick their wounds without actually achieving victory. It turns war into a chronic condition instead of a terminal event. If we actually stepped back and let nature take its course, the conflict would burn itself out one way or the other much faster. Instead, we keep the patient alive with "condemnations" and "aid" that just prolongs the misery.
As for the ads demanding your sympathy, that's just the outsourcing of guilt. Western governments love these conflicts because it gives them a chance to look like they have a moral compass without actually having to solve the hard problems at home. They want you to open your wallet and feel sad so you don't pay attention to the fact that your own country is falling apart. It's a distraction, a shiny object to wave in front of the public. The only permanent solution isn't more summits or sports; it's letting them fight until they're too exhausted to lift a finger anymore. Only then will you see actual peace.
The question is if peaceful coexistence with your neighbors is even a good thing, societies tend to rot and collapse from within without local rivalries to keep them sharp.
Fuck I accidentally set everything on bold, God fuckin' damn it. Nevermind, back to the topic:
That is a genuinely based take and it reminds me of the old "Cold War kept us sharp" theory, which isn't entirely wrong. Look at the West right now: our biggest problems are trannies in bathrooms and people getting offended by cartoons. We've had it too good for too long, and now we're inventing problems because we lack a unifying struggle. Without an external threat, a society tends to turn inward and cannibalize itself with identity politics and purity spirals.
However, I think there is a limit to that theory when you're dealing with religious insanity. A rivalry like the US vs. USSR was based on geopolitics and ideology: you could theoretically sit down and negotiate because both sides wanted to survive. But when your neighbor believes their holy book tells them to exterminate you, that’s not a rivalry that keeps you "sharp," that’s just a headache. You can't have a healthy, competitive society when you have to spend 90% of your GDP on security just to stop Abdul from blowing up a bus.
I get what you're saying though—peace makes people soft. If the Middle East actually settled down, they'd probably turn into a bunch of degenerates just like us. Maybe the endless war is the only thing keeping their culture from rotting into Western-style consumerism. Either way, I'd rather be "bored and comfortable" than "sharp and living in a bunker," but maybe that's just the decadence talking.
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You absolutely nailed the dynamic regarding the "spiritually Israeli" crowd. It’s the most blatant psychological projection I’ve seen in years. These are the same people who would have you fired for misgendering someone, yet they’re desperate to find a target that society gives them a pass to hate. They treat "Zionist" like a cheat code that lets them unleash all their pent-up rage against a group they can label as "oppressors" without getting cancelled by their own HR departments. It’s cowardly, masked radicalism. They get the dopamine hit of being a revolutionary freedom fighter without the actual risk of going to a war zone.
However, I think you're letting the domestic audience off the hook too easily by saying it doesn't impact us. It absolutely does, because these people are importing the conflict into the West. Look at what’s happening on college campuses or in the streets of London and New York. It’s not just a "gay culture war" anymore; it’s organized intimidation and harassment of Jews in their home countries. That’s not just "insipid," it’s a security failure. When we allow foreign grievances to dictate domestic policy or police conduct, as we see with authorities being too scared to arrest pro-Hamas agitators: we’ve lost sovereignty.
I also think the divide on the Right is a bit more complex than just Shapiro vs. Fuentes. It’s not just neocons vs. Nazis; it’s a fundamental split between civic nationalism and ethno-nationalism. A lot of non-fringe right-wingers are sick of sending billions to a country that spies on us and actively lobbies against our immigration interests. It’s not just blind hatred; it’s a transactional view that says, "Why are we bankrolling a socialist ethnostate when we’re $30 trillion in debt?" That’s a legitimate critique that gets drowned out by the screeching from both extremes.
Ultimately though, you’re right about the victimhood addiction. Both the far-left and the groypers are hollow movements defined entirely by what they oppose. If they woke up tomorrow and Israel/Palestine was gone, they wouldn’t celebrate peace; they’d have a psychotic break because they lost their focal point. They need the struggle more than they need the solution. It’s tragic that we have to watch our own societies burn just so some LARPers can feel like they’re part of a historical struggle.
*note: I think my phrasing made it seem like I have any sort of caring over any of the sides, but I can assure you that I hope the entire middle east will have the worst fate known to mankind
That is the ultimate Kiwi sentiment, and I hate to break it to you, but they already are. The definition of "winning" in this context is establishing a stable, functional society where your kids aren't raised to be martyrs. By that metric, everyone in that region is losing spectacularly. Israel "wins" tactical battles but loses the demographic and moral war every decade they have to keep the entire population in a siege mentality. The Palestinians aren't winning either; they're just being used as disposable pawns by their own leadership and neighboring Arab states who don't actually want them.
The problem is that nature abhors a vacuum, and in power vacuums, you don't get peace: you get warlords. If both the IDF and Hamas just vanished tomorrow, you wouldn't get a power-sharing agreement, you'd get fifty different gangs carving up the turf like it's Somalia. So while I agree with the spirit of your post: that both sides are awful and deserve each otherthere's no scenario where "both losing" leads to a better outcome for the rest of the world. We don't get the luxury of them both annihilating each other because the chaos that follows spills over into Europe and the US in the form of "refugees" and terrorism.
Ideally, you'd wall off the entire Levant, cut the internet, and let them settle it with sticks and stones until one side breaks. But as it stands, we're forced to watch a slow-motion train wreck where both trains are loaded with explosives and our leaders are standing on the tracks cheering for one of them.
From what little I know the Palestinians seem to me to be in the right, but the whole place is just full of crappy people. Goatfucker muslims on one side and Jews being extremely Jewish on the other. Hard to feel sympathies for either of those. I only feel bad for the christian palestinian minority.
I get where you're coming from with the "everyone is awful" take: it's hard to argue against when the cultural exports from that region are mostly just rocket footage and screeching Imams: but saying the Palestinians are "in the right" just because the Jews are being "extremely Jewish" is lazy logic. Being annoying or clannish isn't the same as blowing up nightclubs or stabbing grandmothers. The Israelis might be neurotic, apartheid-loving sociopaths, but at least they have a functioning society that produces things other than rubble and martyrs. The Palestinians elected a terrorist death cult (Hamas) specifically because they liked their charter about killing Jews. That’s not "being in the right," that’s just suicidal stupidity.
I do agree with you on the Christian minority though, they are truly the ultimate stuck-pigs in this scenario. They’re getting squeezed by the Muslims who call them crusaders and the Jews who treat them like collateral damage. They’re the only ones there who actually just want to pay their taxes and go to church without getting involved in the jihad. It’s ironic that the Western leftists who scream about Palestine would be the first ones thrown off a roof by the very "goatfuckers" they’re defending if they actually lived there.
Ultimately, siding with Palestine just because you dislike Israel is like siding with a rabid dog because you hate the owner. Yeah, the owner might be a jerk, but the dog is the one chewing your face off. Both sides are garbage, but one side is actively building a modern state while the other is stuck in the 7th century, and I know which one I’d rather have as a neighbor, even if they are insufferable about it.
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