US US Politics General 2: Hope Edition - Discussion of President Trump and other politicians

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I'd give up female suffrage in return for suffrage limited to educated property owners.
What do you mean by "educated?" Like going to one of the Marxist indoctrination centers that churns out retarded trannies? No thanks.
Your first point is dumb because giving birth is equivalent to going to war and unlike dying in war we actually mostly do that.
In no way is giving birth the equivalent to going to war. If given the choice between staying home and birthing a child vs. getting their guts blown out while freezing to death fighting Germans in Bastogne, women could consider it a coin flip? Get real, please.

And what do you mean, "we actually mostly do that?" Women have been brainwashed into believing having children is oppressive and a total "reduction" of their abilities. Despite birthing children being the only thing women can do that men can't, women have taken this bait and now believe murdering their own children is among their most deserved "rights."

Y'all can't even be responsible for the single life of your own child growing inside your womb, but think this should grant you the right to send me into war? There is no equivalent between war and childbirth when men can't even cancel out the mother's vote to murder the child they created together. Your "responsibility" has a "Get Out of Jail Free" card where you can murder your own child. Men simply have to go kill and/or be killed for theirs.

At 18, our bodily autonomy is actually in jeopardy because if we don't sign up for SS, armed men can imprison us. And in the event of a draft, if I don't want to die in some sticky jungle for a war I don't believe in, the same thing happens. Only women say shit like, "Yeah, but war basically doesn't happen" as if they've made a solid point. Yes, genius, because millions of men fought in them beforehand to secure (y)our rights. They're the reason we aren't speaking German. Our responsibilities to the country are completely asymmetrical.
The second and third point apply to poorfags, so sure, if the male masses lose the vote I'll give up mine.
Women fumble through life believing their rights simply exist in a vacuum. It's as if nature itself has oriented to provide them this stable space to make demands to the ones enforcing literally all of their rights. You can have R2D2 project an interactive 4D pie chart showing their votes will result in more women raped, less freedoms for everyone, and total economic collapse. Their response would be, "OMG, YOU WANT TO TAKE AWAY MY RIGHTS?!"
 
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Yep. You've clearly thought this through.

So, right back to a single vote. And this implies no building generational wealth. I don't see how this is actually workable and sustainable for more than a few generations.
A single vote when you're in your 20s and moved out, 2-4 votes when you get a wife, kids, pay taxes instead of receiving hand outs. I am trying to tie it to the achievable goals of a normal productive member of society without creating a nobility class. And I think the way you do that is by not having it inherited but having it be meaningful things. Like white productive household represent around 40% of the vote, in my case it would be 60-70%.
How does this improve the "takers versus makers" problem. Because that is essentially the core of the commie problem. Those European megalomaniacs aren't exactly wrong when they talk about the "useless eater" problem.
By giving the makers more of a say. I think it's obvious. Ideally I would have it that people dependent on government handouts should not have a vote, but that breaks my idea of not removing universal suffrage, even though I think it's possibly the most appealing form of reducing it.
Well, that, and the arrogant belief that you can simply legislate human nature away. But that's not unique to commies, they've simply cornered the market and monopolized it (haha i made a funny!) for the last couple of centuries.
I don't think human nature is as inflexible as some people think and it has changed over time as such you can surmise you can change it at will with sufficient effort.
 
“How can I trust you’re right if you won’t assume that you might be wrong?”
A family member's girlfriend once complained that he "always argued like he knew his information authoritatively." To my knowledge she only ever won a single argument with the guy. There's something to be said for occasionally having humility, but they never seem to grasp that sore losers are rarely subtle about it.
In no way is giving birth the equivalent to going to war
In a civic sense, it's not so much equivalent as complementary. Men protect the frontline, women make sure there's a next generation. Both are necessary if you want a nation to continue. If one were absolutely dead set on female suffrage, they might stipulate that only married women with no divorces or abortions under their belt could vote. It still doesn't undo the fundamental issue that they could undo the restriction without significant cultural pressure, but it's at least better reasoned than "they admit to being easily manipulated profligates but should be allowed to vote anyway."
 
All this debating over the ideal voting system in a republic.

Just return to tradition (which amounts to creating a direct democracy or a representative one quite a few would say is oligarchic in nature):
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Keep in mind that one of these systems ended with the establishment of an autocracy and the other two were taken over by foreign autocratic invaders.
 
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And I think the way you do that is by not having it inherited but having it be meaningful things. Like white productive household represent around 40% of the vote, in my case it would be 60-70%.
By tying the baseline to zero, nobody gets a chance or reason to build for anything but themselves. There is no incentive to build for the future in your model. That is why I said I don't see it working for more than a few generations before it breaks down. Again, may as well have the commies. You aren't going to magically legislate human nature away any more successfully than the Russians had in making The New Soviet Man.

Post-scarcity might theoretically have a stabilizing influence to where this would be workable, if you believe the whole gay space communism crap. That is achievable today, from technological and labor standpoint. It simply won't happen any time in the next century, short of a massive, paradigm shifting X-event. (AI is being sold as that X-event, but its just snake oil at this point) Then again, post-scarcity might lead to self destruction, if you believe the behavioral sciences and mouse utopia crap.

And since Scarcity is the most cherished political resource in the history of the planet, so good luck making it happen. Scarcity is control. So, it's "six-five and pick 'em" on the post-scarcity front for now, I'd say.

The simple truth is, their isn't a magic button for most shit. The human condition has always been a "duct-tape and hope" thing. But I'm tired and digressing.

I don't think human nature is as inflexible as some people think and it has changed over time as such you can surmise you can change it at will with sufficient effort.
This is the height of arrogance, and its so common today that it is legitimately frightening to people who don't share your naivete. Human behavior is as complex and diverse as our biology. Your grandmother will burn down a nursery school if the right pressure is applied. And some powerful people have spent decades and untold billions of dollars learning how to use those pressures to manipulate societies.

Good luck with that optimism. You'll need it.
 
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In a civic sense, it's not so much equivalent as complementary. Men protect the frontline, women make sure there's a next generation. Both are necessary if you want a nation to continue. If one were absolutely dead set on female suffrage, they might stipulate that only married women with no divorces or abortions under their belt could vote. It still doesn't undo the fundamental issue that they could undo the restriction without significant cultural pressure, but it's at least better reasoned than "they admit to being easily manipulated profligates but should be allowed to vote anyway."
I agree that women play a crucial role in our society, especially during war times. Women working in factories sealed the fate for women's suffrage, I think. I genuinely believe that women play the greatest role in our civilization. They don't build or maintain societies, invent or improve shit (on big scales), or do other things men simply can't. Men are the builders of societies. But women do something greater, which is build the builders.

We can't force women to have children like we force men to die in war. Most men understand it's their obligation to protect women and defend the country. It's our responsibility to make things cozy enough for women to keep having kids. That's the tradeoff. Unfortunately, restricting their right to vote seems like it'd be the best way to ensure our society progresses. Women will surf TikTok for hours and wind up getting our gun rights removed by next week.

Women having any control over those they'll always have to appeal to to enforce their own rights is also ass-backwards. It's always illusory and completely fragile. When women keep doing stupid shit to destroy our country, at some point enough men are going to realize they need to be chained to radiators for everyone's sake.

We're going to have to restrict a bunch of people's right to vote to make it even passable. The communists specifically targeted women and their "oppression" to get them loyal to the party. It's happening now in America. Men talking about restricting their right to vote with the commie infestation will just signal to them, "Vote Commie!" Ugh.
 
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Debate and Discuss the implications behind Welper the LDS Wonder being Joshua Conner Moon’s internet proxy child.
Dear God that is stupid. “He banned users that were problems for years.” Okay? Wahhh, nigger. Seriously, Android took over whole ass threads with her schizo bullshit. But no, it’s because we are right wing or something. Fuck off.
 
I sentence in, "he banned Android Raptor for wrongthink". Pretty sure it was because she was a fat gross retard who everyone else hated.

I think you can safely disregard this particular redditor opinion.
not to mention he is missing the context of everything else. ssj_ness was constantly injecting politics into everything. He was annoying and got a pink triangle. And yeah maybe he expressed his opinion on a teenaged girl being molested poorly but if your opinion isn't anything other than "that entire event is wrong" then maybe you shouldn't say anything at all. But oh no, ssj_ness had to double-down on his words because who knows? Just stupid and annoying. That's why he was banned. Popular sentiment. Oh and he was rightwing AF so get out of here with that bias accusation.

This @Kether guy is starting to annoy me since he has tried to start an argument on my own profile page once before, and brings up crap people said before he even joined the forums in 2025. I think he might be a sock but dont care enough to confirm. And if @Kether has a problem with how Null operates, he should @ the doggo himself :null:
 
I sentence in, "he banned Android Raptor for wrongthink". Pretty sure it was because she was a fat gross retard who everyone else hated.

I think you can safely disregard this particular redditor opinion.

I think the sperging out and spamming baby gore in threads had a hand in it as well. She was a BPD semen demon who lit her dim apartment in red light because she was farming hissing roaches.
 
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Debate and Discuss the implications behind Welper the LDS Wonder being Joshua Conner Moon’s internet proxy child.
The guy's trolling. ssj_ness was a huge rightwing politisperg who could not turn it off and flamed HHH constantly, but the bad opinion he got banned for was victim-blaming an underage victim of a sex crime. Android raptor got banned (so I hear) for spamming massively unpleasant gore drawings to disrupt threads.

Now what is true is I have heard Null say nice things about Welper on MATI at least once (sorry, no idea how to track it down if you want to hear...), and the only issue he had with him was the anime pfp; but that wasn't for politisperging, that was because of other lolcow-relevant shit he was up to.
 
Fantastic weaving of words to appear to be saying something when saying nothing. #1 first class politico right there boys.
I had a very learned friend who referred to it as "weaving a magnificent tapestry of bullshit."

He was known for weaving a few himself.

Boomers are annoying as while they say they are rightwing, they are the type who mostly want do nothing types and vote based on convenience/normalcy. I work with a lot of them as part of my library job and they always pull this shit. Had a guy come in and tell me they will never vote Dem because of this very issue of them burning down cities, I am pretty sure he voted Dem because he thinks Trump is too much. I remember another that talked about how illegals taking advantage of the system is wrong and something needs to be done, but of course Donald actually doing something about is too much, he is going overboard. The National Guard deployment really ticks them off.

Boomers want it to be the perpetual 80s where their king Ronald Reagan is in charge and cannot adapt. The modern times confuse them, leading to pathetic displays like No Kings because they really do not understand modern politics. Which, btw, same can be said for the left. A lot of old dogs wanting to live in the Obama years forever who will make big smug posts about how great socialism is, yet will lose it at a Bernie Sanders parroting their talking points. The left wins by having enough connections to keep the radicals out of view/minimized, while keeping the messaging that everything will be Obummer 2.0. It really cannot be understated how much of politics today is keeping old people in a bubble of that “one great period” leaving all the radical policy has to be done in the background. While we see the radicalism and have to deal with it, they don’t have to do either, causing both parties live and die by that currently.
>do nothing types
>is some twink that works at a fucking library

Yeah bro, I'm sure you're getting a lot of real society changing work done, whining on the internet while doing a woman's job part time.

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