2025 US and Venezuela Conflict - Operation Just Cause 2: 2 Just 2 Cause

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Blue Flying Leaf dijo:
IR dazzler is old as dirt and works only on old soviet Iglas. Modern systems have almost a 100% kill rate even with that tech as they use a complement of optical, ir and radar guidance.
Dazzlers don't work against AA fire or .50 cals which would make a mince meat of pilots and helicopters. Really weak military security really since you could see helis in the dark.
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How many American made Israeli planes did Iran take down again? Also, lol about AA fire like that isn't the first thing vaporized before a large scale operation.
 
Dr. Alan Grant dijo:
to shorten this long ass spiel of paranoia and doom-mongering, I don't really see a way that Maduro actually stays in U.S Military prison for longer than a presidential term or two.
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No one can predict the future, shit's happening in real time. We have no control over what happens next. Getting paranoid and dooming over stuff that's so far removed from your immediate circumstances is fucking gay as shit. Homie, turn the PC off, go outside, get some fresh air, come back to post when you're not an anxious, dooming faggot.
 
Dread First dijo:
No one can predict the future, shit's happening in real time. We have no control over what happens next. Getting paranoid and dooming over stuff that's so far removed from your immediate circumstances is fucking gay as shit. Homie, turn the PC off, go outside, get some fresh air, come back to post when you're not an anxious, dooming faggot.
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Most of his posts are from the Hohal Wars thread, he's just butthurt a REAL country was able to pull off a special military operation in three hours instead of four years and counting. Ziggers can't comprehend why their Russian wunderwaffe keeps failing them.
 
clickbait dijo:
Except for Trump, when was the last right uprising in any country that actually won an election?

Canadian right lost to a guy who showed up out of nowhere. France lost, England lost, Germany just called the right Nazis and discredited the political party.

America got lucky that people showed up to vote.
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Anyway
>AMERICA ONLY FIGHTS WEAK COUNTRIES IT WON'T DARE STEP TO BRICS!!!!1111111111oneoneoneone
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>Fortunate Son faintly heard in the distance
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"Actually, you can't take the action that's clearly in your best interests because israel would also benefit from it!" is no less subversive than the shit the kikes themselves propagandize with.
 
SmugAutist dijo:
How many American made Israeli planes did Iran take down again? Also, lol about AA fire like that isn't the first thing vaporized before a large scale operation.
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Oh yeah, its so easy to counter EW and shoot down aircraft we just saw footage of Maduro parading a bunch of captured special forces guys through the streets of Caracas.
 
Croaking Spider dijo:
Most of his posts are from the Hohal Wars thread, he's just butthurt a REAL country was able to pull off a special military operation in three hours instead of four years and counting. Ziggers can't comprehend why their Russian wunderwaffe keeps failing them.
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because fighting a neer peer nation with very high international support, with lots of stockpiled military equipment, and a long-running military export industry is the same as striking locations informants in El Presidente of Chimichanga's innermost circles's told you about while they hand him over in Nike Techs.

Lets stay on thread topic
 
More reports- Delcy seems to have been in on it- but we seem to have ended up with the second proposal?

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Secret meetings point to inside job to take down Maduro​

Senior member of the UAE royal family acted as a bridge in talks between Donald Trump and the interim president

Cody Weddle in Bogotá
04 January 2026 3:04pm GMT
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In a meeting room in Doha, some 7,500 miles from Caracas, officials were busy discussing the future of Venezuela without Nicolás Maduro, its dictator.

A senior member of the UAE royal family was acting as a bridge between the regime and Donald Trump, while the US president was building an armada to pressure the Venezuelan leader to surrender.

But Mr Maduro had no part in the secret meetings in Doha. Instead, it was his vice-president, Delcy Rodríguez, and her brother Jorge who were leading the talks.

According to the Miami Herald, which has strong contacts in Latin America, Ms Rodríguez had reached out to Washington to present herself as a “more acceptable” alternative to the Maduro regime.

She now rules Venezuela with the approval of Mr Trump.

Details of the meeting have fuelled suspicions that the removal of Mr Maduro was an inside job, planned to leave a president in power who can manage a transition without dismantling the state completely and causing turmoil and riots.

As the October reports of the meeting say, Ms Rodríguez offers “Madurismo without Maduro,” a kind of “regime lite”.

On Saturday, Donald Trump said the US would now “run” Venezuela through the transition government led by Ms Rodríguez, while preparations were made for American oil companies to swoop in and start extracting.

“She’s essentially willing to do what we think is necessary to make Venezuela great again,” Mr Trump told reporters of Ms Rodríguez, who faced US sanctions during Mr Trump’s first administration for her role in undermining Venezuelan democracy.

On Sunday, Francisco Santos Calderón, Colombia’s former vice-president, suggested the entire operation to remove Mr Maduro had been an inside job with the help of Ms Rodríguez.

Mr Santos said he was “absolutely certain” that Ms Rodríguez betrayed Mr Maduro by allowing him to be captured by the US without much of a fight.

Mr Santos, who was previously the Colombian ambassador to the US, said: “They didn’t remove him, they handed him over.

“I’m absolutely certain Delcy Rodríguez handed him over. All the information we have, you start to put it together and say: ‘Oh, this was an operation in which they handed him over.’

“Obviously, they have to set the stage. President Trump says that Delcy is going to be the one to lead the transition, so Delcy is going to be the one to lead the transition.

“She’s very clear about the role she’s going to play and she’s going to try to earn a little bit of independence.”

Indeed, Ms Rodríguez, a 56-year-old lawyer with links to the oil industry, seems like a perfect candidate to work with the US.

Ms Rodríguez had served as Mr Maduro’s deputy since 2018. She entered government soon after Hugo Chávez’s 1999 election, rising steadily through the ranks.

She has served as foreign minister, the head of a constituent assembly, and while vice-president, she also assumed the roles of oil and finance minister.

In her recent role, Ms Rodríguez managed to maintain her Leftist credentials while also “becoming the face of a relative economic liberalisation”, according to Geoff Ramsey, a Latin American expert at the Atlantic Council.

Those market-friendly policies helped pull Venezuela out of the deep economic crisis that lasted throughout 2021, which led to the economy shrinking by three quarters and nearly eight million people fleeing abroad.

That feat helped her gain the favour not only of Mr Maduro, but also a significant part of the country’s business class that has ties to the government, according to Pedro Garmendia, a Venezuelan political risk and geopolitics analyst.

“They’ve come to see her as a predictable and effective figure,” he said, referring to segments of the private sector that now view Ms Rodríguez as an ally.

She can point to her family history as revolutionary proof. Her father once led an operation to kidnap an American businessman as part of a communist guerrilla group that accused the man of being a CIA operative.

Her brother Jorge is another senior figure in the system and currently presides over the country’s legislature.

She and her brother, who has been a central figure in recent negotiation efforts with the US, have become the “powerful duo” in the regime, according to Mr Garmendia.

“Both learned to live and thrive under US pressure and sanctions,” he said.

Even with those credentials, Ms Rodríguez now faces the task of rallying the coalition and avoiding being seen domestically as “a stooge for the US”, Mr Ramsey said – particularly when there are rivals within the ruling camp who could use any perceived weakness to move against her.

“Keeping everyone together will not be easy. So far she appears to be doing so,” he said, “but I think we can assume that all is not well inside the ruling party.”

Mr Trump perhaps did not help on Saturday when he claimed that Ms Rodríguez had spoken to Marco Rubio, the US secretary of state, and had offered to do “whatever [we] need”.

Attempts by Ms Rodríguez to “manage the optics” within the country, and appear to be resisting the US, could be behind the initial contradicting statements between Mr Trump and Ms Rodríguez, Mr Ramsey said.

Confrontational style​

Ms Rodríguez has embraced a confrontational style in her high-profile roles, unafraid to publicly attack her opponents.

After Venezuela’s suspension in 2016 from the Mercosur trade bloc, she attempted to attend one of its meetings in Buenos Aires anyway.

“Close the door on us, and we’ll go through the window,” she told the swarm of press after briefly managing to slide past security and into the building.

During his Saturday press conference, Mr Trump didn’t specify how long he envisioned Ms Rodríguez being at the helm.

“Nobody will take power. They have a vice-president, who was selected by Mr Maduro, who is currently the vice-president, and I guess is now the president,” he said.

In a later interview with the New York Post, Mr Trump said he would not deploy troops to the country if Ms Rodríguez did what he wanted.

What Mr Trump wants for Venezuela remains unclear. Whether Ms Rodríguez aligns with his wishes may hinge on which side of her political identity prevails: the revolutionary loyalist or the pragmatic power broker.

Ms Rodríguez taking power was one of two options presented to the US by the Qatari mediators, the Miami Herald reported, citing unnamed sources, the other being Miguel Rodríguez Torres, a retired general who is currently in exile.

Ms Rodríguez is understood to have a “significant relationship” with members of the Qatari royal family and hides some of her assets in the country, meaning Doha was a natural choice to act as an intermediary between her and the US.

During one meeting in the Qatari capital, a senior member of the royal family acknowledged that they were operating as a bridge between Caracas and Washington on “intelligence and economic co-operation matters”, the Miami Herald reported.

The proposals for “Madurismo without Maduro” were presented to the White House by Richard Grenell, one of Mr Trump’s special envoys, who met Mr Maduro in January last year.

An initial plan presented in April called on Mr Maduro to step down, remain in Venezuela, and give US companies access to Venezuelan oil.

In exchange, the US would drop criminal charges against the Venezuelan president and Ms Rodríguez would take charge.

But that proposal did not get off the ground, with Mr Rubio arguing that the US should settle for nothing less than regime change.

A second proposal, presented in September, suggested Ms Rodríguez head a transitional government while Mr Maduro sought exile in Qatar or Turkey.

This was also rejected by the US, which believed that the regime’s criminal structures would simply be repackaged under new leadership. “The ‘cartel lite’ was not a viable option,” one source said.

Reports on meetings between Ms Rodríguez’s team and the Americans went quiet towards the end of the year.

Intermediaries, meanwhile, assured the Trump administration that she would promote American energy investments, making her an easy choice to run at least a transitional government.

“I’ve been watching her career for a long time, so I have some sense of who she is and what she’s about,” one senior US official told the New York Times.

“I’m not claiming that she’s the permanent solution to the country’s problems, but she’s certainly someone we think we can work at a much more professional level than we were able to do with him,” the official added, referring to Mr Maduro.

However, US officials said that their relationship with the interim government would be based on whether Ms Rodríguez operated by their rules and warned that they could take further military action if she failed to respect American interests.

On Saturday night, Ms Rodríguez appeared on state television and struck a defiant tone.

“We demand the immediate liberation of President Nicolás Maduro and his wife, Cilia Flores,” she said.

Mr Trump appears to have sidelined María Corina Machado, Venezuela’s opposition leader who won the Nobel Peace Prize last year.

Mr Trump said Ms Machado did not have the support in the country to take over from Mr Maduro, to the dismay of her supporters.

Reports suggested that her team were unable to persuade Washington that they had the capacity to take control of the state apparatus, primarily because they did not have the support of Venezuela’s military.
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mindlessobserver dijo:
It really does drive Russian doctrine armies nuts how the USA fights wars. Drove the Germans nuts too. The moment American infantry gets a whiff of resistance it goes to ground and starts calling in as much air power and artillery as it can and doesnt stop until whatever was causing a problem is a smoking crater.
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"One of the serious problems in planning against American Doctrine is that the Americans do not read their manuals nor do they feel any obligations to follow their doctrine." (Russian analyst)
 
Dr. Alan Grant dijo:
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Very real chance this backfires.
in either direction, most likely for the VP, considering that the higher echelons of the military and political echelons have been proven to be compromised
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Interesting that the US didn't take out Vladimir López or Diosdado Cabello, especially considering the latter seems to have been widely feared and hated for being in control of the internal security apparatus in Venezuela.
 
Delcy Rodríguez: Message from Venezuela to the world and to the United States

Venezuela reaffirms its vocation for peace and peaceful coexistence. Our country aspires to live without external threats, in an environment of respect and international cooperation. We believe that global peace is built by first guaranteeing the peace of each nation.

We consider it a priority to advance toward a balanced and respectful international relationship between the United States and Venezuela, and between Venezuela and the countries of the Region, based on sovereign equality and non-interference. These principles guide our diplomacy with the rest of the countries of the world.

We extend an invitation to the government of the United States to work together on an agenda of cooperation, oriented toward shared development, within the framework of international legality and strengthening a lasting community coexistence.

President Donald Trump: our peoples and our region deserve peace and dialogue, not war. That has always been the stance of President Nicolás Maduro and it is that of all of Venezuela at this moment.
That is the Venezuela in which I believe, to which I have dedicated my life. My dream is that Venezuela be a great power where all good Venezuelans, men and women, come together.

Venezuela has a right to peace, to development, to its sovereignty, and to its future.

Delcy Rodríguez, Acting President of the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela
 
jje100010001 dijo:
Interesting that the US didn't take out Vladimir López or Diosdado Cabello, especially considering the latter seems to have been widely feared and hated for being in control of the internal security apparatus in Venezuela.
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I follow the theory that he does not plan to remove Chavismo. He just plans to negotiate with the Head honcho for access to resources. Trump while a functional zero in the actual power structure of Chavismo, matters a lot for the media, most people outside of Venezuela don't know who is Padrino Lopez nor Diosdado, so they don't care. This way, no further military actions would be needed. That could end up with Chavismo going rogue again, but that would be Future President problem.
Catch The Rainbow dijo:
Delcy Rodríguez: Message from Venezuela to the world and to the United States

Venezuela reaffirms its vocation for peace and peaceful coexistence. Our country aspires to live without external threats, in an environment of respect and international cooperation. We believe that global peace is built by first guaranteeing the peace of each nation.

We consider it a priority to advance toward a balanced and respectful international relationship between the United States and Venezuela, and between Venezuela and the countries of the Region, based on sovereign equality and non-interference. These principles guide our diplomacy with the rest of the countries of the world.

We extend an invitation to the government of the United States to work together on an agenda of cooperation, oriented toward shared development, within the framework of international legality and strengthening a lasting community coexistence.

President Donald Trump: our peoples and our region deserve peace and dialogue, not war. That has always been the stance of President Nicolás Maduro and it is that of all of Venezuela at this moment.
That is the Venezuela in which I believe, to which I have dedicated my life. My dream is that Venezuela be a great power where all good Venezuelans, men and women, come together.

Venezuela has a right to peace, to development, to its sovereignty, and to its future.

Delcy Rodríguez, Acting President of the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela
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Words are meaningless, let's see actions.
 
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