Unpopular trans-related opinions

[Stephanides]

Not sure if it counts as unpopular but intersex people or people born with DSDs face much more scrutiny than troons, because retarded ass niggas tend to lump being intersex with being trans when its a much more complex issue regarding genetics than just feeling like you're a girl sometimes. Having an intersex condition isn't something to flex about either because you'll get a much higher risk to cancer and when you have gynecomastia/mixed gonadal dysgenesis/etc.

I'm powerleveling in a sort of indirect way because trying to figure out who you really are when you have no idea how your development works and how there's so much sexually depraved bullshit everywhere veiled as a form of self expression is an extremely painful experience and I wouldn't wish that on other people.

 

[Powerhouse of the Cell]

I feel like there is a possibility of Gender Dysphoria being a real thing that some people might have, but unfortunately for them, troons came in and ruined it for them.

People with legitimate gender dysphoria, if there are any are now going to have a hard time taking it seriously because of the fact that troons have turned a serious condition like gender dysphoria and ruined it by turning it into a fad and ruining the reputation of people with legitimate issues of having a mental illness that makes them feel like they are born in the wrong body.

This is the exact same thing how annoying "gluten free" people who are gluten free because of gluten free foods becoming trendy fads have made life harder with people with Celiac Disease.
I have seen people with Celiac Disease complain about how servers at restaurants don't take them seriously because they assume they are just one of those gluten free hippies who make life harder for restaurant workers trying to appease them by not contaminating their food with gluten not knowing there are actual people out there that cannot eat gluten because it literally makes their own body's immune system go haywire and damage their own intestines if they ingest gluten. Even just a little bit from cross contamination.

I would imagine people with legitimate gender dysphoria would have a similar sentiment towards trannies by turning their legitimate mental condition into a joke, and having it being treated like trannies like some sort of fad instead of a serious ailment that affects their day to day lives.
I mean, imagine actually having gender dysphoria.

Really feeling like you do not mentally match with your physical body, feeling like you are a prisoner in your own body.

And then retards online come in, treat your ailment like a joke and now people don't take you seriously because everyone assumes you are just like those trannies.

Can't say I don't feel for those people if there are any.

 

[Jacknife]

People with legitimate gender dysphoria, if there are any are now going to have a hard time taking it seriously because of the fact that troons have turned a serious condition like gender dysphoria and ruined it by turning it into a fad and ruining the reputation of people with legitimate issues of having a mental illness that makes them feel like they are born in the wrong body.

I wonder what would happen if someone went to a libshit therapist and said "Hi, I am very uncomfortable with my gender and feel more like a woman than a man, how can i overcome that?"

 

[Otis Mallebrok]

I wonder what would happen if someone went to a libshit therapist and said "Hi, I am very uncomfortable with my gender and feel more like a woman than a man, how can i overcome that?"

They would tell that person to troon out, and would validate that persons delusions, which incidentally would make the patient into a permanent customer.

 

[Paper Machete]

I wonder what would happen if someone went to a libshit therapist and said "Hi, I am very uncomfortable with my gender and feel more like a woman than a man, how can i overcome that?"

They would try to frame it as you having internalized transphobia and steer you towards trooning. Finding actual good therapists that want to help you through the hard work of bettering yourself and not doing dumb fuck shit like cutting your dick off are so difficult to find you might as well just not even try. They're typically old school and ready for retirement.

 

[Lentil Soup]

I wonder what would happen if someone went to a libshit therapist and said "Hi, I am very uncomfortable with my gender and feel more like a woman than a man, how can i overcome that?"

That's the purpose of exploratory therapy, naturally, the people of gender have equated this to conversion therapy and genocide.

Those who push for puberty blockers for minors as a "wait and see" approach hate any result that doesn't track into cross sex HRT.

 

[The greater a'tuin]

I sometimes lack sympathy for trans teens. They are ruining their lives and health, but it’s their own fault for being so self-obsessed.

My unpopular opinion is this is unhelpful, plenty of troons were groomed into it by exploited mental illness, and can be de-transitioned before it is too late. Unfortunately discourse was overtaken by misandrists who just want men('s sexuality) scapegoated as the root of all evil, as well as a smokescreen to deflect from crimes by true and honest women (like with Samantha Rupnow where Andy Ngo had to quash brainless rumors, or Brigitte Macron because no one likes acknowledging lady groomers).

 

[Stephanides]

I feel like there is a possibility of Gender Dysphoria being a real thing that some people might have, but unfortunately for them, troons came in and ruined it for them.

I think it is real and it's not exclusively from mental illness or sexual arousal. It's often misused as a justification as to why transitioning is heckin valid for them. I theorize that there are several examples that contribute to causing it.

1. Born intersex but raised as the opposite sex
2. Being from a culture that prohibits gender expression (ex. girls always should wear dresses)
3. Scrutiny from not living up to standards that prove their masculinity/femininity (ex. you're a faggot/woman if you're not manly enough)
4. Experimenting with trooning/pooning out just to be part of something.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

Unpopular for this site? That they're not necessarily wrong when they say they live rent-free in people's heads.

For as big as a pain in the ass as they are, there are some people who really do obsess over them way too much like /pol/tards do with jews.

 

[Irregardless]

All are mentally ill. But not all of them are just doing it for a fetish, or because they're gay.

I mean, yes, there are plenty of those. But people very often forget about the autistic subtype. In many cases, what's really happening is that they were gaslighted into wanting to become a woman instead of wanting to be with one (wife, girlfriend, etc.). Their attraction to women is normal; it was just twisted. They are just straight males with severe autism.

They idealized being a woman because , as autists, they are socially blind: they only see the positives of femininity, ignoring the negatives, and also thinking they will have instant access to the 1% of the privileged lifestyle of the most beautiful women ever. In other words, even most real women don't get to be Sydney Sweeney—so why would an autistic male?

Anime has brainwashed autists to think of women as idealized angels instead of humans. Women in cutesy anime are way idealised and autists just don't notice. For one anime women always seem to love and support other women. In reality there's a lot of competition and cruelty between them.

The autism also blinds them to the obvious fact that femininity is simply out of their reach. It's not even that people are opposed to them being women, but that it's not even possible in the first place. Best-case scenario: you get hardcore leftists saying you are "le hecking valid." But no man or woman will actually treat you like a woman ever. The science required to make such a change for real could cure cancer and aging, and might as well be magic. It might not even be possible even in a thousand years.

I think this is pretty true, and I think a lot of it also has to do with the fact that no matter how hard these people try, you can't socially "redefine" masculinity like you can femininity.
You can prop up a million limp wristed soy faggots as "real" or "masculine" men, but at the end of the day the vast majority of men have at least a vaguely similar idea of what a truly masculine man is.

Confidence, strength, and accountability.

The ideally masculine man has the confidence to know that his decisions and beliefs are the right ones, he has the strength to stand up for himself and others whether that's physically or emotionally, and he is accountable, meaning that when he says he will do something or be somewhere, he follows through, or that when he makes a mistake, he owns it.

Now obviously these virtues aren't automatically inherent in men, and most men, of which I'd include myself constantly fall short of meeting them, but the goal of masculinity and being a man is to strive to be like the ideal. To meet the occasion when it arrives.

Autistic niggas though will see all of this, only be able to comprehend it as a binary, as in either I am all of those things or I'm not, and due to be constantly being propagandized will believe "well since I can't meet the societal standards of manhood, I'll just become a woman because apparently anybody can be a woman".

IMO if more women made it clear that being a woman wasn't some ill-defined vague state of being, that it has it's difficulties, that it wasn't all cupcakes and rainbows, and that you can't just put on a wig and claim to be a woman, I think less autistic men would believe that it's a viable option.

 

[Mystery Spy]

CWC in my opinion is just a textbook example of the autistic subtype of trans.

I am not a Christorian so I don’t know if he has ever had attraction to men, but if not outright straight, at the very least he clearly prefers women.

Most men are born with an attraction to women. It’s normal for men to love cuteness and feminity. Just not on themselves, but in women

Autists like him, specially like him, are particularly vulnerable for this attraction to turn into envy. CWC was very coddled by women during his high school years . And of course his severe autism blinded him of reality. They pitied him.

His hormone’s pushed him to get into relationship he was too mentally ill to ever get. A male body that was literally hardwired to be idealize women.

Is it any wonder he wanted to be one of them?

 

[Super Mario Brothers]

IMO if more women made it clear that being a woman wasn't some ill-defined vague state of being, that it has it's difficulties, that it wasn't all cupcakes and rainbows, and that you can't just put on a wig and claim to be a woman, I think less autistic men would believe that it's a viable option.

Normally I'd agree but there's an obvious intimidation factor involved. Even if every woman became gender critical overnight, there's the fact that even socially awkward autistic men are usually taller and stronger and any confrontation has the possibility to end badly for the actual woman involved, especially when it comes to bathroom cases. (And that's not even going into dystopic laws like what the UK has, where the police could also be against you.) For now, the most that most women can do is protest behind closed doors as opposed to openly, and trans rights activists have already demonstrated actual violence against anything remotely gender critical.

 

[deermeat]

An opinion I've developed over time after much time wasted is that it is stupid to debate anyone who is trying to argue against objective reality. There is no debate. There is no "trans science", there is nothing. Debating makes both parties look stupid because you are implying that it could be argued by engaging in an argument. You're not educating anyone, you are no proving any points, you are humiliating yourself.

Information on objective reality needs to be served in an objective manner. If simple logic and reasoning can debunk the "science" then there is no science at all. Laugh, repeat the statement, and then ignore their objections.

 

[Trusty Terrorist]

* Transgenderism is a disgusting practice and alot of it is done out of perversion, but there is a good subset of trannies who troon out primarily because society has just beaten men and masculinity down.

* Most normies genuinely do not care about troons if it were only passing troons.

* Allying with terfs is not a good idea since terfs ultimately hate men

* Feminism is plenty to blame for the existence of the transgender movement.

 

[L.V. Danslalune]

I don't actually mind if my future kid told me he or she was non-binary, so long as they don't and never get any hormones or any SRS of any kind whatsoever. I think a lot of people with body dysphoria (which I think is a legitimate mental condition) tend to not feel like boys or girls at times and they feel alienated, which is something I sympathize with.

 

[Tram Fan]

I still don't believe Chris understands gender at all and I'm certain trying to explain biology to him would be a lesson in frustration.

My very popular opinion is that the majority of trannies don't understand gender. They see it as superficial gestures. They don't see it as being told what you should do what you can do with your life. They don't see men forced to work long hours to provide for their families or women being told to stay home. They don't realize that if they were really truly passing they'd be scared to come home by train late at night.

Not sure if it counts as unpopular but intersex people or people born with DSDs face much more scrutiny than troons, because retarded ass niggas tend to lump being intersex with being trans when its a much more complex issue regarding genetics than just feeling like you're a girl sometimes. Having an intersex condition isn't something to flex about either because you'll get a much higher risk to cancer and when you have gynecomastia/mixed gonadal dysgenesis/etc.

Yeah I've listened to 2 interviews about intersex people and it really does suck. Being intersex is a serious medical condition.

Unpopular for this site? That they're not necessarily wrong when they say they live rent-free in people's heads.

For as big as a pain in the ass as they are, there are some people who really do obsess over them way too much like /pol/tards do with jews.

Lol another uninformed person who knows shit about what trannies do.

Autistic niggas though will see all of this, only be able to comprehend it as a binary, as in either I am all of those things or I'm not, and due to be constantly being propagandized will believe "well since I can't meet the societal standards of manhood, I'll just become a woman because apparently anybody can be a woman".

IMO if more women made it clear that being a woman wasn't some ill-defined vague state of being, that it has it's difficulties, that it wasn't all cupcakes and rainbows, and that you can't just put on a wig and claim to be a woman, I think less autistic men would believe that it's a viable option.

Thissss but it works both ways. An autistic girl might hate her female clothes and make up because of sensory issues and then they don't fit in with the girly crowd gossiping and what not. And then they have manly interests and then they think they are trans/non binary.

Normally I'd agree but there's an obvious intimidation factor involved. Even if every woman became gender critical overnight, there's the fact that even socially awkward autistic men are usually taller and stronger and any confrontation has the possibility to end badly for the actual woman involved, especially when it comes to bathroom cases. (And that's not even going into dystopic laws like what the UK has, where the police could also be against you.) For now, the most that most women can do is protest behind closed doors as opposed to openly, and trans rights activists have already demonstrated actual violence against anything remotely gender critical.

Partially agreed. But in some spaces there would be normal men who'd defend their women if women allowed them to. Like trannies would get fired if the bosses knew it's fine. Or trannies wouldn't be allowed in female's sports. Maybe guards would watch the toilets in high risk places. World wouldn't be saved but it would be exponentially better in my opinion.

Transgenderism is a disgusting practice and alot of it is done out of perversion, but there is a good subset of trannies who troon out primarily because society has just beaten men and masculinity down.

Disagree. Most of the men's problems are caused by men themselves. There are only a few problems caused by feminists. Men think it's female to talk about feelings so then they have emotional problems. Men choose stupid women only because they are pretty. And men don't give a fuck about fixing their problems. For example in Poland fathers get alienated from their children at the divorce. Most of the people in the parliament and the president are males. They could simply fix the law but they don't care enough. Sorry for thhe offtopic.


Also if you're cutting your dick off because some feminist is bullying you you're the more retarded one. Unless you're 14 then maybe.

Don't get me wrong I don't really like feminists but I don't think you should be scared of them xd

I don't actually mind if my future kid told me he or she was non-binary, so long as they don't and never get any hormones or any SRS of any kind whatsoever.

It's very unlikely that your child will be both sane and non binary.
Besides hormones aren't only for being trans you know. There are many hormonal disorders.



My unpopular opinion is that objectification of women leads to transgenderism but also sexism against men to a lesser extent. If both sexes were equal then there would be no point in this tranny bullshit. And I'm gonna get dumb reactions from incels who think women have it all xd Men don't have it all either.

 

[DickoTheClown]

I haven't really seen it brought up much here, but it certainly is an unpopular opinion just about everywhere, and especially on the Left, but I have caught shit from both ends for different parts of my opinions. I've gotta be careful to articulate myself properly here.

• I am fine with trans adults. If a kid declares themselves to be trans, the most a parent should do is buy them gender neutral clothes until they are old enough to make a fully informed decision. Being uncomfortable and confused about your body is normal for teenagers. That we have idiots out here telling them it's because they might be trans is fucking stupid.
• The current trans (herein called "nuTrans") movement doesn't actually represent real trannies (well, it does on paper, but it does so much more harm to them)
• The "Trans Umbrella" either doesn't exist, or is far more limited than the current trans community would like to think it is.
• The trans community, and trans people as a whole, would benefit from jettisoning the shitty "trans activists." I'm not talking about Zoe who fights for healthcare or against discrimination. I'm talking about the faggots who scream about pronouns, want misgendering to be a hate crime, think the term "trap" is a slur, demand access to locker rooms, etc.
• Trans people should wholly reject AGPs. Full stop.
• While I am sympathetic to self-ID people insofar as they have fallen victim to the nuTrans movement, they once again shouldn't be considered to be actual trans people. It's the self-diagnosis problem that the tism and ADHD (and now tourettes, DID, and every other fucking mental disorder) have, but way more retarded.

So, to actually explain. I have worked in tech for a while now, and I have met/worked with/been friends with a fair few trans people as a result (mostly MtF, but a couple FtM). In my experience, most of them just want to blend in and be left alone by society. They'd be on hormones, do their makeup, do their best to pass, etc, and just live a normal life. Apparently back in the day, all the trans communities were more about passing, not getting clocked, how/where to get hormones if doctors wouldn't/couldn't prescribe them, how/where to get blood tests, etc. Shit like "god it's annoying to get my driver's license and name changed." Compared to the absolute faggotry of today, that's pretty normal stuff. But then along come these faggots who demand that everyone out themselves as trans, flaunt their identity and preferred pronouns everywhere, etc. It's progressed to such a point that you don't even have to put in any effort to be trans. You just wake up one morning, say "I'm a lady," and bam, you're magically trans. This shit started creeping in in like the early 2010s, starting with weird pronouns and shit (one of the most annoying people I've ever worked with was some dude in like 2012 or 2013 who claimed he was trans but would change his pronouns almost weekly. Glad they shitcanned him. He wrote shit code, too).

Had trannies cut it off right then and there, they wouldn't be in the mess they're in today.

Here's the problem with the whole nuTrans movement. Being trans is no longer about being diagnosed with dysphoria, or being dysphoric about your gender. It's now about just wanting it. "I wanna be a woman" congratulations, you're a woman. Like ????? Does no one in the trans community see why this is fucking BONKERS? Look, I will be among the first to say I am sympathetic to (actual) trans people's predicament here. "What if the person whose horseshit I want to call out is actually trans and just doesn't have the resources to transition?" Like, sure, that could happen once in a very blue moon. But when you have Moonbeam Toaster Arson III, Zam/Zoop/Kadoop, come the fuck on. That's not a real thing. Be so fucking serious.

(This has also had the hilarious knock-on effect of nuTrans faggots telling crossdressers and femboys that they are trans, even though they categorically are not).

I will never deny an AGP's right to mutilate themselves in the name of their shitty fetish, but I will also never recongnize it as anything more than a fetish, and trans people should follow suit instead of trying to welcome them into the community. AGPs do not want what trans people want/need. At best they just get turned on by wearing women's clothes and looking like a woman, or by the idea of themselves being a woman. But more and more commonly, they want to force others to nonconsensually participate in their fetish. Trying to fit AGPs under the trans """""umbrella""""" has done irreparable damage to (actual) trans people and to society as a whole.

I have genuinely heard trans people say they're afraid to call it out because of the way the Left handles wrongthink. Sophia Narwitz has a pretty good video about it on YouTube.

 

[Not A Bunny]

Had trannies cut it off right then and there, they wouldn't be in the mess they're in today.

This is ultimately why I'm not a flaming lefty on my own. I probably wouldn't have given it too much thought had the entire movement put reasonable caps on things and policed its own the way the left demands the right do.

I used to date a guy that had a gay friend that he described as "homophobic", precisely because he hated the kind of flaming gay shit that goes on at, and ultimately escaped pride parades. His rationale? "You're screwing it up for ME."

I have genuinely heard trans people say they're afraid to call it out because of the way the Left handles wrongthink.

We've known for years that's the case. We entered into the conservative 80's, probably as a backlash to the "free thinking" of the 60's and 70's. It's not that free thought is a bad thing. It's just that when you're too open-minded, your brains fall out. And sometimes, you need that buttoned-up discipline to keep it in check. The modern left doesn't see that you can't keep their ideas without checks and balances without taking serious backlash. Now the pendulum is swinging back because you have idiotic leftists who think you don't need gatekeeping to make sure the attention whores and mentally unbalanced don't become the loudest voices in your movement.

I don't even think it's unpopular to think that the trans movement might get a little more traction the way being gay has if it chilled the fuck out and accepted the notion that not everyone agrees that being trans is a thing that needs acknowledgment or even social grace.

 

[AltisticRight]

This sounds fun.
1. Troons should be allowed to have firearms as long as they pass all required background checks. The moment your country can deny them their guns on the basis on their delusional gender identity, you're next on the basis of something equally as arbitrary and gay, like racism or your skin tone.
2. Not all of them are bad, just most, like close to 100% kind of most.
3. Rightoid simping troons are worse than leftist ones. I find them to be more obnoxious.
4. Gender neutral bathrooms are fine. Troons should use those instead of creeping in their opposite sex's bathrooms.

 

[and I must scream]

I am fine with trans adults.

See, here is the thing. I am fine with trans adult people, unless they are degenerate or particularly insufferable, but that's true for non-trans people too. I'm fine with them as people. I don't hate them as people just because they are trans. I often sympathize with them.

What I am not fine with when it comes to trans adults is the fact that a very large portion of them wouldn't have been trans if it weren't for this wretched "gender identity" theory (as it is today) that infiltered everything and everywhere and for social contagion. It especially evident with females. At least 99% of the females who identify as trans wouldn't have identified as trans if they were born 15-20 years earlier. The thought that they are "not women" wouldn't even have crossed their mind. Transition is not benign. It is very harmful for one's physical health. I'm not even talking about the mental aspect of this, just the physical. These people are ruining their bodies.

Now look, if a man is very feminine from a young age I can understand why he would like to transition. I'm still not going to encourage this, because as I said, it's very unhealthy. But dealing with being a very feminine gay man can be extremely tough and if you add other issues (mental disorders, sexual abuse, etc.), their lives are very difficult so I understand why they would choose to transition. Same with very masculine gay females. I see it somewhat like an unhealthy coping mechanism a person has - it still unhealthy and I'd encourage them to try and cope in another way, but I get that this is the only way that person can cope at the moment and maybe for the rest of their lives.

But the rest? How many ftm existed in the past? They were so rare you almost never heard of their existence. mtf were more common in comparison but still rare enough. The amount of masculine females and feminine males haven't changed, yet there are far more trans people. We are talking about astronomical rise in people going through medical transition. It's tragic to see. So many young women just mutilating their bodies. I'm still not over this young woman transitioning, she had such great voice, some of her covers I love more than the original, now her voice is fucked forever. She also gained weight which is most likely the result of taking testosterone. Come on, there is nothing male or manly about her. She is just on the spectrum or something and probably felt different and alienated, or/and "not right". This doesn't make her a man. Or this man whose video appeared on my feed for some reason, "realizing" he is a woman suddenly. There are so many cases like these. Why? It genuinely hurts to see. As a human being, it hurts me to see so many people doing this to themselves, ruining their bodies and health like this for no good reason.

So no, I'm not fine with people coming out as trans. I am fine with them as people, I don't hate them; but what they do to themselves is not healthy and in most cases, completely unwarranted, most of them weren't even really gender non-conforming to begin with. I am not fine with people harming their health like that. Ultimately, I can't do anything about it, but to say I don't feel at least a twinge of sorrow - usually much more than a twinge - when I see yet another young woman going through this route because she feels something is wrong with her and this is the answer, or she doesn't "feel woman"? I do. And I resent the fact that these people tell me I am a bad person and that I want them to cease to exist just because I don't want to them harm themselves.

I don't actually mind if my future kid told me he or she was non-binary, so long as they don't and never get any hormones or any SRS of any kind whatsoever. I think a lot of people with body dysphoria (which I think is a legitimate mental condition) tend to not feel like boys or girls at times and they feel alienated, which is something I sympathize with.

Identifying as non-binary means adopting this harmful gender identity ideology. It's bad. It's usually also don't end there, unless this non-binary business is very temporary. If this identifying as non-binary carries over to adulthood, expect your child to chop her boobs, take testosterone or remove her womb at some point. And yes I only give female examples because it is almost always females who identify as non-binary.