Charlie Kirk: Aftermath, Gravedancing, and Manhunt

New York post has produced a video and article where they hired a "lipreader" to see what Tyler Robinson was saying.




People on x crticized that it doesn't make much sense, why would he have access to cigarettes, why would he use the british phrase "it's doing my head in" and most of all why don't his lips even match what is claimed he has said according the lip reader.
 
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New York post has produced a video and article where they hired a "lipreader" to see what Tyler Robinson was saying.


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People on x crticized that it doesn't make much sense, why would he have access to cigarettes, why would he use the british phrase "it's doing my head in" and most of all why don't his lips even match what is claimed he has said according the lip reader.
Lip-reading isn't particularly reliable when a subject is seen from dead on. It's not even worth trying to read lips from the side.
 
Feminists: "REEEEEE Don't tell women to suppress their emotions!"

Also feminists, when a grieving widow who literally witnessed her husband get brutally assassinated is noticeably pissed off: "Omg she's psycho and scary. I don't trust herrrrr."


Need I say any more? I fucking hate these people, and I am pissed at the reactions to every single fucking thing Erika Kirk has said for the past 3 months.

Also, Erika Kirk is pissed off at Candace and telling her to stop because what she's doing is absolutely going to tamper with the trial right now! But, you know, everyone is saying that Erika Kirk is a psycho for looking pissed and glaring daggers at the tv? Miss me with that shit.

If the love of my life had been murdered right before my eyes and also in front of my babies, I would absolutely want to go all John Wick on the people responsible (and I'd be more than justified in feeling that way). But since I wouldn't be able to do such a thing, then me showing the world how pissed off I am would have to suffice.

Poor Erika and her children. Right now, in the midst of the holidays, it must be hard right now, but the woman should only be focusing on properly grieving her husband as her family approaches the first Christmas without him ... But nooo she has to address psychotic Candace Owens because of how out of hand it's all getting. Fucking hell man.
 
This comment from shitpoliticsays sums up the damned if you do damned if you don't reactions on Erika

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This comment from shitpoliticsays sums up the damned if you do damned if you don't reactions on Erika

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Tbh, I was completely on her side during the memorial event. But seeing her in these interviews, she does come across quite fake. It all reads very calculated rather than authentic.

Especially when she talks about Charlie. She sounds like she's faking sadness to me. When she mentions her children is the only time she sounds genuinely sad to me. Look at it and tell me what it looks like to you.

Here's a mirror of the full interview:


I know there is an annoying sound feedback on this one, but I haven't found a better version yet. He also interjects sometimes, but not much.

Please post a better version if you have it.
 
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Tbh, I was completely on her side during the memorial event. But seeing her in these interviews, she does come across quite fake. It all reads very calculated rather than authentic.

Especially when she talks about Charlie. She sounds like she's faking sadness to me. When she mentions her children is the only time she sounds genuinely sad to me. Look at it and tell me what it looks like to you.

Here's a mirror of the full interview:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=cvjUCDCTQr0
I know there is an annoying sound feedback on this one, but I haven't found a better version yet. He also interjects sometimes, but not much.

Please post a better version if you have it.
She probably rehearses a lot of what she says before her interviews so that she's not a blubbering and stammering mess during it all. And if she is a blubbering and stammering mess, then everyone is gonna probably complain about how overdramatic and unhinged she is, right? Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

I once had to give a eulogy, and I rehearsed the pages I had written a hundred times to myself before I actually did it because I didn't want to cry through the entire thing in front of everyone. I did it so that I could be composed in spite of being so sad and feeling such significant grief.

Society is absolutely fucking cooked if we can't unanimously understand a grieving widow of someone who got murdered right in front of her and her children.

Until any of us sees Erika Kirk jetsetting and posting endless vacation pictures like an online influencer thot or something, then I think it's ghoulish to be analyzing every single fucking thing she says, every single fucking twitch her face makes, etc.

All of this has gone far beyond ridiculous. Leave the poor woman alone. Good God Almighty!

And anyone taking Candace Owens' side is a loser. Plain and simple. I find it to be REALLY rich how so many are claiming the supposed "fakeness" of Erika Kirk all the while praising Candace Owens. Candace Owens' actions have ousted her as fake from DAY ONE with her "Social Autopsy" project. Plus, her entire approach to Charlie Kirk's murder is "Well, I'm going to pull a theory out of my ass without any evidence to prove it, but I'm going to treat it as truth until someone can disprove it!" is just about the most dishonest and manipulative thing ever.


I never liked Candace Owens from the get-go. Hated that bitch ever since she was called "RedPillBlack." Her actions have vindicated my suspicions time and time again for the past decade. All of this has convinced me that she's actually a sadistic psychopath. Full stop.
 
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I am sorry that you had to read that eulogy and that you lost someone, that sucks.

I hope you read the rest of my post in the kind and empathic voice I intend it with.

Society is absolutely fucking cooked if we can't unanimously understand a grieving widow of someone who got murdered right in front of her and her children.
This is false. Erika Kirk was not present and neither were her children. I know some people like Vance have said so, but it isn't true. Erika's own account of it (which I believe to be true) is that she was at a doctor's appointment and got a call when he had been murdered.

She then took the first flight she could to the hospital.

It also kinda shows you haven't been reading some of the facts I've posted, like the contradicting accounts of Mikey McCoy calling Erika first, or his father first, or his wife first.

I know I also post opinion, but at least try to take in the facts.

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You don't have to take any side to look at Erika and tell me what you see. The fact that it seems to get filtered that way to many shows to me how captured by emotion people are in this. Myself included, because that's exactly how I felt during the memorial, and seeing people downplay or mock it at the time made me furiously angry.

Now I am reading more genuine emotion in your post than I do in Erika's town hall meeting (again, with the exception when she mentions her kids).

We can go into a candace vs erika discussion, but I think it's irrelevant to what whether Erika is genuine or not.

I am just curious to hear different takes on how Erika's emotions read to other people because the kiwifarms has a lot of people with a good read on people's emotions and reactions.
 
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What a bunch of fucking weirdos. I may not care about the charlie kirk situation anymore, but Jesus Christ these bastards watched way too many movies to get on Erica's case for not grieving in the way they want her to. Even if she did they'd call it performative. These monsters don't get that people don't have to be sad 24/7 to br grieving.
I lost my cousin 10 years ago. Due to a drug overdose, many time I see certain things. So I was really close with him. I just started crying. These people have no understanding of grief. I genuinely hope Candace Owens like the nigger she is, hanged from a tree.
 
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I am sorry that you had to read that eulogy and that you lost someone, that sucks.

I hope you read the rest of my post in the kind and empathic voice I intend it with.


This is false. Erika Kirk was not present and neither were her children. I know some people like Vance have said so, but it isn't true. Erika's own account of it (which I believe to be true) is that she was at a doctor's appointment and got a call when he had been murdered.

She then took the first flight she could to the hospital.

It also kinda shows you haven't been reading some of the facts I've posted, like the contradicting accounts of Mikey McCoy calling Erika first, or his father first, or his wife first.

I know I also post opinion, but at least try to take in the facts.

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You don't have to take any side to look at Erika and tell me what you see. The fact that it seems to get filtered that way to many shows to me how captured by emotion people are in this. Myself included, because that's exactly how I felt during the memorial, and seeing people downplay or mock it at the time made me furiously angry.

Now I am reading more genuine emotion in your post than I do in Erika's town hall meeting (again, with the exception when she mentions her kids).

We can go into a candace vs erika discussion, but I think it's irrelevant to what whether Erika is genuine or not.

I am just curious to hear different takes on how Erika's emotions read to other people because the kiwifarms has a lot of people with a good read on people's emotions and reactions.

"Kind and empathetic ..." yeaaah I'm gonna stop you right here champ.

You are literally posting with an Erika Kirk avatar with the clear intention of demonizing her, given the subject of your posts.
 
Literally every single 'suspicious' or 'weird' thing that Erika Kirk does can be chalked up to standard social awkwardness, self-consciousness, being overwhelmed with emotion. I don't know what she was like before her husband was murdered, but Charlie Kirk himself was a bit awkward and gave on-the-spectrum vibes.

I heard that Erika Kirk was Ms. Arizona years ago. Not uncommon for beauty pageant winners to be awkward and show mannerisms that don't fit expectations on camera. Someone socialized to be polite and charming suddenly having their emotions surge with extreme grief, unsure how to come across on camera because basically no one is taught how to behave when your spouse is literally the victim of a highly public assassination. Jacqueline Kennedy died years ago and notably behaved awkwardly on camera during the assassination and after it. No one is around to teach Erika how to not appear potentially awkward on camera in this situation.

note: there were conspiracy theories that Jacqueline Kennedy participated in her husband's assassination. In fact some people believe that to this day. I recall seeing someone claim that because her husband made her miscarry from an STD from his philandering, she sneakily shot him with a handgun during that car ride in Dallas.

Armchair psychoanalysts on the Internet jumped the shark a long time ago, probably when Bill Clinton was still in the White House.

@Lemmingwiser and everyone else on the internet who presumably isn't a leftist but is pushing the idea that Erika is part of some sinister scheme, are all useful idiot faggot traitors helping leftists escape accountability.
 
I'm sure seeing your loved ones getting murdered in cold blood and very publicly will smooth over in a handful of months. I'm certain people can measure your authenticity after bearing the news to your children that their father or mother wasn't ever coming home for Christmas again, while being constantly volleyed with reminders of the fact from sadistic perverts in-person and abroad day in and day out.

I'm astounded at what this thread had devolved to.
 
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"Kind and empathetic ..." yeaaah I'm gonna stop you right here champ.

You are literally posting with an Erika Kirk avatar with the clear intention of demonizing her, given the subject of your posts.
Kind and empathatic to the person who posted that. They were sharing about a moment of their personal loss.

As kind and empathic as I was to Erika, until things looked very differently to me.

I would have been happy to receive analysis of how she came across to people that disagreed with me, but I'm sad to read that there is a wholesale defense that more or less says we can't even look at it and scrutinize it. Honestly a first for the kiwifarms.

there were conspiracy theories that Jacqueline Kennedy participated in her husband's assassination.

Jacqueline Kennedy is also someone that believed there were more people involved in the murder of the person close to her who wasn't taken seriously enough
 
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I would have been happy to receive analysis of how she came across to people that disagreed with me, but I'm sad to read that there is a wholesale defense that more or less says we can't even look at it and scrutinize it. Honestly a first for the kiwifarms.

You're allowed to make yourself look like the biggest retard in the room and we're allowed to call you out on it.
 
Here's a good up to date and condensed version for people that haven't followed much and want to get Candace's point of view without having to watch 40 hour long streams:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=PGc1XhAI8Fk
Starts at 20 minutes.

I think that people who are skeptical should give it a listen with an open mind.
I normally like Jimmy Dore. He can be a bit of a sperg and I don't agree with everything he says, but he's usually pretty neutral. I'm also sick of your huge posts telling us there is evidence of something more going on, so I decided, fine. I'll do what you said, I'll listen to this entire thing with an open mind.

Right off the bat, him and Candace are being misleading. They play a clip of Charlie talking about how you can't trust the government and how the JFK assassination doesn't make sense, it had to have more people involved. They also show tweets from Charlie talking about distrusting the government and question everything. They are both trying to prime the audience into seeing that what happened to Charlie is similar to what happened to JFK. That's BS considering that JFK was the most powerful man in the world with a ton of enemies (Both home and abroad) that had lots of reasons to want him dead. Charlie did not have that kind of power. Charlie had influence and was good at getting young people interested in politics, but before he was killed a lot of people didn't even know who he was (I sure didn't).

Their next evidence that Israel murdered Charlie is the text message he sent Candace saying that he won't be bullied by Jewish donors. Then they show a video of Erika saying that Charlie was not texting people, saying he was scared and that he was going to be murdered. She said she has Charlie's cell phone and there is nothing like that on there.

Jimmy then says that this is provably false because another friend claims that he texted Charlie and asked him to up his security detail. Charlie replies "I have, I know they want me dead." Jimmy and Candace use this as a "Gotcha!" against Erika and imply she's been caught in a lie.

Again, Jimmy and Candace are trying to lead the audience to feel a certain way by trying to make two separate things look like they are related. Erika said that Charlie was not scared he was about to be murdered or had any reason to think someone was out to get him. Jimmy and Candace respond to this by implying that a generic sounding text from Charlie is proof that he actually did think someone was out to get him. Charlie's response just sounded like a typical "I know there are crazies out there", not that he believed some shadow government was out to get him.

Candace and Jimmy go on to talk about how Charlie's security sucked and how he had the event outside even though security advised against it. Security was told that Charlie preferred to do it outside, so that's why he did it despite being advised not to. How does Jimmy and Candace not see the huge flaw in their argument here? If this was all set up to shoot Charlie, why would have security even bothered to advise him to have the event inside? What if Charlie had agreed with them and had it inside? That would have ruined their plan to kill him outside.

They bring up how Charlie's security didn't have drones scanning the roof. This is admittedly a huge fail. Cernovich is a bit of a cow but stated there were fights between security and campus police about using drones. Cernovich said this has happened to him as well when he has gone on speaking tours. I believe this is incompetence and someone should be held accountable for this, but I do not see this as proof that Charlie was being set up to be killed (Especially when they asked him to hold it inside but he declined).

Again Candace and Jimmy bring up another unrelated and totally different case and try to make it seem like it's the same as Charlie's. They bring up how Trump almost died by that freak in Butler and how that case is suspicious and there were too many security fails to be an accident. Charlie was not Trump. Trump is the most powerful leader in the WORLD that has multiple targets on him from inside the White House and abroad. It is suspicious how a lone soy redditor with zero online footprint somehow managed to get past the security of the most powerful man alive and nearly succeeded in killing him. We still don't know shit about this guy or why he was in contact with people a guy like him had no business being in contact with. Contrast that to Tyler Robinson, who had an online footprint and nothing about hims is surprising. He also went after a much easier target in a place with lax security. These two situations are not remotely the same.

Candace and Jimmy talk about the most "compelling" evidence that this whole thing was set up: the bullet wound. They show a video of some retired military SEAL guy who says that Charlie's head should have been blown off. They say we should listen to this guy because he's an expert. This is frustrating because other experts have also come out and explained why Charlie's head wasn't blown off. So if we should trust the experts, why does Jimmy and Candace trust this guy over the others? They offer no explanation as to why his expert opinion is more right than others. Candace then says something that I personally find extremely annoying. She says that there was no blood on Charlie's back. To her this is proof that the bullet/gun Tyler used is something different than what the FBI found. This dumb bitch is not an expert in how guns work nor does she know jack shit about wounds yet she talks like she's so sure! I am also not an expert. But I work in healthcare and can tell you that wounds don't always look like what you expect them to look like. That poor woman that was stabbed in the neck on the subway also didn't have blood spurting out everywhere like you'd think would happen on a jugular wound, yet she still died.

LMAO. Jimmy says he asked GROK to analyze the soundwaves and that Grok said it does not sound like a high caliber rifle. I cannot believe Jimmy would admit this. Ai is amazing but still awful and wrong frequently. I disregard anyone who uses ai as evidence since ai lies and gets stuff wrong all the time.

Candace says everyone she talked to that was there that day said the gun sounded like it was closer and on the left of Charlie, not the right. Nevermind how guns are always way louder than most people think, or how people confuse which direction sounds are coming from all the time. She also says she does not believe that the shot came from the roof, and that if someone did fire a rifle, it was just to hide the sound of a different gun. Wtf? WHY would anyone do this shit. Candace doesn't know shit about guns. Also, she was just saying how the security failed to secure the roof, why does this even matter if the shot didn't come from the roof? She also brings up how most of the people in the crowd were not students... no shit? It was a public event. Obviously Charlie fans from near by would show up. Holy shit.

Jimmy and Candace bring up how Tyler doesn't talk like a normal 22 year old. They don't mention how another YouTuber debunked this, showing old police cam footage where Tyler talked and he used words and phrases that he used in text message to his troon boyfriend. They completely disregard this. Then Candace says the narrative about Tyler being suicidal doesn't make sense, one minute he was, another he wasn't, says "You can't be both!" Hey Candace, you can be suicidal one minute and not the next. She also says that Tyler denied that he did it to his dad initially. How is this suspicious? No shit he would try to deny it at first. The idiot doesn't want to go to jail. Reality is setting in and he's trying to avoid it.

Candace says Tyler's boyscout leader is likely an undercover cop that works with sex crimes against children, and thinks he blackmailed several people to kill Charlie. Her proof is that crazy guy that initially threw his hands up in the crowd and shouted "I DID IT!" right after Charlie was shot. This guy later went to the hospital and told the nurses he was told to do that and promised he would get paid. Candace doesn't bother to explain how this guy is well known to be a weirdo and disruptor. And she doesn't bother to talk about how exactly him being there would have helped Tyler murder Charlie. Yes, that weirdo screaming "I DID IT!" or whatever slowed the initial search down, but that's it. Was he hired so Tyler could get more time to get away? If so, what good did that do? Tyler had no getaway plans. Despite having that extra time to get away and hide, he was chilling at home. Israel wasted their money hiring that guy.

Candace and Jimmy talk about how Charlie turned down a massive donation from some billionaire, and now that Charlie is gone, that guy succeeded in donating to TurningPoint USA. Essentially implying that this guy (and Israel) wanted to tap into Charlie's growing influence, but Charalie wasn't interested. If this guy wanted to donate to Charlie and use his growing influence for his own pet issues, why the hell would he have THE FACE OF TURNING POINT USA KILLED? And again, I find this to be another thing Candace and Jimmy keep doing. They act like because there were interal issues and disagreements in TPUSA, this is proof that someone in there wanted Charlie killed.

She says that TPUSA lost their minds when she brought up this guy because the donation was supposed to be secret. Which is dumb, considering there would be no way to hide a massive donation like that in a non-profit. Candace and Jimmy then talk about how there may be people in TPUSA that were keeping financial things from Charlie. What does this have to do with Tyler Robison killing Charlie? Again, these two contiue to present something as being related to Charlie's assisnation without elaborating as to how they are connected. How does Charlie having fake friends or internal company struggles lead to Israel somehow putting out a hit on Charlie?

They both talk about how lots of TPUSA employees are bad actors and lying about how close they were to Charlie. So what? There are bad people taking advantage of a situation to further their careers and make themselves look better by lying about how close they were to Charlie. People do that shit all of the time. That is not evidence of some conspiracy to have him killed.

Anyway, the show ends with them saying that there's nothing wrong with asking questions, fight the establishment, it's what Charlie would have wanted, blat blah blah. You're right, there isn't anything wrong with asking questions. But that's not what you idiots are doing. You're making assumptions and connections that aren't there. You're ignoring shit that people already debunked. You're connecting unrelated things to Charlie's murder.

Well, that's 2 hours of my life I'll never get back.
 
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You're right, there isn't anything wrong with asking questions. But that's not what you idiots are doing. You're making assumptions and connections that aren't there. You're ignoring shit that people already debunked. You're connecting unrelated things to Charlie's murder.
I was a fan of Jimmy's for awhile myself. As somebody who is pretty conservative now, it was nice to see that there were still some lefties like him that were principled, who didn't drink the Kool-Aid, and whose hearts were still in the right place. I am done with him at this point, though. People like him, his annoying co-host Kurt, Candace, and a number of others who work in online media, obviously do not have anybody in their lives to occasionally remind them that NOT EVERY SINGLE BAD THING THAT HAPPENS IS A CONSPIRACY! Or, even worse, they are well aware of this but push on anyway, because it keeps the money rolling in, societal consequences be damned.
 
I want to thank you for taking the time.

I agree with quite a bit of what you say, but I will refrain from giving any further opinion in this post.

Thank you. I presume your questions were rhetorical, I'd be happy to answer any, but I don't think that was your intention with any.

You did seem to make one factual mistake and missed one common knowledge fact, which I point out for your and everyone's benefit.

I stress, this post is not arguing any point.

Candace and Jimmy go on to talk about how Charlie's security sucked and how he had the event outside even though security advised against it. Security was told that Charlie preferred to do it outside, so that's why he did it despite being advised not to. How does Jimmy and Candace not see the huge flaw in their argument here? If this was all set up to shoot Charlie, why would have security even bothered to advise him to have the event inside? What if Charlie had agreed with them and had it inside? That would have ruined their plan to kill him outside.

There are two parties that are "security" here. There is campus security, and charlie's security team. Campus security allege that they warned against that location, but that Kirk's security insisted on it.
Kirk's security (per brian harpole head of Kirk security interview) allege that Charlie wanted it.

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Also, she was just saying how the security failed to secure the roof, why does this even matter if the shot didn't come from the roof? She also brings up how most of the people in the crowd were not students... no shit? It was a public event. Obviously Charlie fans from near by would show up.
TPUSA is a youth influence organisation. Most of his fans are students.
 
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