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The Supreme Court is hearing a case titled Trump v. Slaughter. An unelected bureaucrat appropriately named Slaughter was removed from the FCC by Trump. They did not take it well. The case has reached the Supreme Court, where Wise(Ass) Latina Sotomayer and Court Jester Kentaji expressed dismay at Trump dismantling the bureaucratic state. “You’re asking us to destroy the structure of government and to take away from Congress its ability to protect its idea that the government is better structured with some agencies that are independent,” quipped Sotomayor. (Link/Archive)
 
deleuzeon dijo:
The Weathermen not only fled into academia, they also came out of it. In the 60s there was a communist student group called the "Students for a Democratic Society" which fractured (as always lol) into various factions depending on whether or not they thought violence was the way forward, and the Weather Underground people came from that. Leftoids have been organized and talking about violence in the US for well over half a century. They simply don't get a crackdown, ever. Even now when "our guys" are in power there's no crackdown.
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What I find beyond funny is that the biggest communist puritans and extremists in Afghanistan came out of American universities, not out of the Soviet Union. They were so fucking insane they screwed up the soviets interests and they were convinced they were cia plants and thus had to go.
 
Just out of curiosity, is anyone in here an unironic fan of Candace Owens in this new era where she’s appointed herself as Charlie Kirk’s official medium and spectral translator?

Like how is she actually making money off this
 
Sexy Senior Citizen dijo:
You’re asking us to destroy the structure of government and to take away from Congress its ability to protect its idea that the government is better structured with some agencies that are independent,” quipped Sotomayor. (Link/Archive)
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Of course the libtard judges are for it. This will be 5-4 or 6-3 along party lines
 
SpergioLeonne dijo:
Just out of curiosity, is anyone in here an unironic fan of Candace Owens in this new era where she’s appointed herself as Charlie Kirk’s official medium and spectral translator?

Like how is she actually making money off this
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Probably funded by people who want to fuck with TPUSA. There's no reason otherwise to fund the level of retardation she's got going on.
 
SpergioLeonne dijo:
Just out of curiosity, is anyone in here an unironic fan of Candace Owens in this new era where she’s appointed herself as Charlie Kirk’s official medium and spectral translator?

Like how is she actually making money off this
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She's a clown show distraction who makes the right look worse just by existing. God willing she'll wrap her car around a tree at some point and we'll be spared the next several decades of her embarrassments.
 
deleuzeon dijo:
Huh? Try getting that out again.
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This is the heart of leftist beliefs: they know better, and so should be free from all legal or moral restraints to bring about Utopia. Plato theorized this in his Republic with his concept of the philosopher-king. It's part of the reasons leftists hold credentials in such high regard: they are educated, so they know better, so shut up peasant.
 
SpergioLeonne dijo:
Just out of curiosity, is anyone in here an unironic fan of Candace Owens in this new era where she’s appointed herself as Charlie Kirk’s official medium and spectral translator?

Like how is she actually making money off this
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Live streams and her viewers are true crime wine mom's who are unironically 100% wholesale believing all of this. There's a massive tight knit community around this and they eat up all this shit. They're completely delusional and amateur detectives who 100% believe in things like dream visions because they're bored housewives. That's who Candace Owens appeals to and she's an absolute monster.
 
deleuzeon dijo:
She's a clown show distraction who makes the right look worse just by existing. God willing she'll wrap her car around a tree at some point and we'll be spared the next several decades of her embarrassments.
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Yeah, it’s really fucking off from a perspective of rhetoric.. like idk what the fuck anyone expects to accomplish by repeatedly attacking a recent widow

@Party Hat Wurmple yeah..
I wonder if this is the AAVE version of true crime
 
Sexy Senior Citizen dijo:
This is the heart of leftist beliefs: they know better, and so should be free from all legal or moral restraints to bring about Utopia. Plato theorized this in his Republic with his concept of the philosopher-king. It's part of the reasons leftists hold credentials in such high regard: they are educated, so they know better, so shut up peasant.
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I am simply in awe of the phrase "to take away from Congress its ability to protect its idea that the government is better structured with some agencies that are independent" and the fact that it came out of a supreme court justice. If I heard that in person I would ask her if she just had a stroke.
 
deleuzeon dijo:
I am simply in awe of the phrase "to take away from Congress its ability to protect its idea that the government is better structured with some agencies that are independent" and the fact that it came out of a supreme court justice. If I heard that in person I would ask her if she just had a stroke.
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I asked grok to critique the structure for me because I am lazy and tired

Spoiled for scrollers

Let's treat this like an English class close-reading exercise and dissect the sentence ruthlessly for its structure, syntax, rhetoric, and why it feels so clunky even though it's trying to say something important.

The full sentence again:

“to take away from Congress its ability to protect its idea that the government is better structured with some agencies that are independent”

### 1. Basic syntactic structure
This is an **infinitive phrase** functioning as the object or complement of some implied larger verb (probably something like “The goal is…” or “It would…”).
Breakdown:

- Main spine: **to take away** [verb phrase]
- from Congress
- its ability
- to protect
- its idea
- that the government is better structured with some agencies that are independent

So the skeleton looks like this:

to take away
├── from X
└── Y
└── to protect Z
└── that-clause

That's already **four layers of embedding** after the main verb. That's why it feels like wading through syrup.

### 2. The pile-up of possessives (“its… its…”)
We get **three possessives in a row** that all refer to Congress:

- its ability (Congress’s ability)
- its idea (Congress’s idea)
- its idea (implied again in the that-clause)

This creates a possessive echo chamber: “its… its… its…” which is rhetorically exhausting and borderline comical. A cleaner version would merge or eliminate at least one.

### 3. The buried main assertion
The actual substantive claim is buried at the very end:

“the government is better structured with some agencies that are independent”

Everything before that is scaffolding. The real point of the sentence (independent agencies = good structure) is smothered under three prepositional phrases and two possessive clauses. Classic case of putting the rhetorical climax in the weakest position (final subordinate clause).

### 4. Prepositional phrase overload
Count the prepositional phrases:

- from Congress
- with some agencies
- that are independent

Plus the implied ones in “ability to protect” and “idea that…”. It's prepositional phrase Russian nesting dolls.

### 5. Abstract noun pile-up
The sentence is drowning in bloodless abstractions:

ability → protect → idea → government → structured → agencies → independent

There's not a single concrete noun or active verb in sight after “take away.” It's all Latinate abstraction stacked on abstraction.

### 6. A cleaner, hierarchical rewrite (for comparison
Here are progressively clearer versions of the same idea:

Weak improvement:
“to strip Congress of its ability to protect its belief that government works better when some agencies are independent”

Better:
“to strip Congress of its power to preserve the principle of independent agencies”

Best (flipping the structure so the real point comes first):
“to prevent Congress from preserving the idea that government functions better when some agencies remain independent”

Or most direct:
“to let the President (or Court) abolish independent agencies against Congress’s will”

### 7. Rhetorical effect of the original
The original phrasing is **defensive and convoluted on purpose**. By burying the core claim (“independent agencies good”) inside layers of “ability to protect its idea,” the speaker/writer does two things:

- Sounds moderate and institutional (“we're just protecting Congress's idea”)
- Obscures the substantive constitutional fight behind procedural language

It's classic Washington-speak: the more concerned with sounding restrained than being clear.

### Verdict
Structurally, this sentence is a **late-stage nominalization disaster** wrapped in **triple-embedded possessive clauses** with the actual thesis delayed until the reader is half-asleep. It's the linguistic equivalent of hiding the treasure at the bottom of a filing cabinet marked “miscellaneous abstractions.”

In a real English class, I'd mark it up like this:

to take away from Congress its ability to protect its idea [that the government is better structured with some agencies that are independent]
← level 1 ← level 2 ← level 3 ← level 4 (thesis

Four levels deep. That’s not a sentence; that’s a bureaucratic trench system.
 
Everyone knows that the US government is composed of 3 branches and then some agencies that are independent of those 3 branches.
 
WelperHelper99 dijo:
Despite all this, the toilet still has not found India
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Want to know something funny?

They used to have toilets. In the Indus Valley 4,500 years ago.

"The ancient Indus Valley Civilization in South Asia, including current day's Pakistan and north India, was prominent in infrastructure, hydraulic engineering, and had many water supply and sanitation devices that are the first known examples of their kind.


Most houses of Indus Valley were made from mud, dried mud bricks, or clay bricks. The urban areas of the Indus Valley civilization included public and private baths. Sewage was disposed of through underground drains built with precisely laid bricks, and a sophisticated water management system with numerous reservoirs was established. "
 
Back with an update on the whole death threat situation:

It turns out that the leaders of our TPUSA chapter were receiving credible death threats from an anonymous account who knew several smaller members of the chapter, which means that it was likely a fellow student. For the sake of safety, the local police department got involved in the investigation after the college’s public safety squad bungled it. Police presence has been heightened on campus to discourage or disarm any threats, and the leaders of the chapter were told to leave campus asap to avoid any potential problems.

The situation is fucked, but it has calmed down. I’ll keep all of you informed. Because I don’t want to power-level, I am not going to share screenshots of emails or posts.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.
 
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