💬 Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

He said "how can you prevent your kid from becoming a tranny," not "how can you make your kid feel isolated and identity-less, drive them into the arms of groomers, and then make your child's only support system the abusive groomers who influenced them into trannydom".

Cutting a kid off for joining some ideology you don't like (whether it's a trans cult or a real cult or even just an abusive relationship) means that they have nowhere to go if they start coming to their senses and think about leaving - so they're basically never going to leave. Telling your kid that you'll throw them out of the house if they're gay or trans just makes them feel more "othered" and makes you look like a bad guy who isn't worth listening to at all, so when the troon groomer says "your parents will never understand you like I do" your kid has basically no choice but to believe that and trust the groomer more.
If you make it clear up front what the consequences are, it makes it more clear what they will face if they go down that route. It's not complicated. But understanding cause and effect must come difficult to you.
 
I can't help but wonder if penis inspections and division along post-SRS is the future solution to this problem. Barring a complete troonpocalypse, after setting hard red lines and killing the youths' aspiration towards violating them, we have to learn how to continue with weirdos trying to push society's boundaries. It's near impossible to kill an idea- communists still exist in America today.

While rape is not just forcible penile penetration resulting in a pregnancy, that is commonly acknowledged as the worst form/outcome of it. Assuming all the trannies won't be lynched or neck themselves (only 41% of them attempt to), will the future cling to coed spaces provided the males in the female spaces are fully emasculated (frank and beans) and have a lower libido? It's definitely not my solution, but it seems like a plausible compromise from the trannies, if they are capable of compromise at all.
 
If you make it clear up front what the consequences are, it makes it more clear what they will face if they go down that route. It's not complicated. But understanding cause and effect must come difficult to you.
Telling a child that your love for them is conditional will lead them to seek out people who they think they can get unconditional love from, and will lead them to completely disregard you as a voice of reason.

You're literally describing how to ripen your child up for a predator. Predators love to go after children whose parents aren't giving them the support they need. An isolated child who feels misunderstood and feels like their parents don't love them might as well be dancing around at a NAMBLA convention wearing a sign that says "SUPER GROOMABLE!!!"

Again, the question was "how to prevent your kid from trooning out," and your answer was "breed a lot so it won't matter as much when you have to throw one out forever." It's like someone asked you "How can I prevent my car from having major problems" and you answered "Buy a lot of cheap cars so if one breaks down you can just drive a different one". Not only is it shit advice, but doesn't even answer the question.
 
The answer to "how do I prevent my kid from trooning out" is a very simple one.

Don't give them internet, and if you do make sure that shit is on lockdown.
 
No internet but also vigilance for predators. If a girl gets SA her risk of pooning goes UP.
Ditto autism. If you think your kid’s got the tism get it diagnosed. Talk to them about what that means. And how they are not born in the wrong damn body.
 
He said "how can you prevent your kid from becoming a tranny," not "how can you make your kid feel isolated and identity-less, drive them into the arms of groomers, and then make your child's only support system the abusive groomers who influenced them into trannydom".

Cutting a kid off for joining some ideology you don't like (whether it's a trans cult or a real cult or even just an abusive relationship) means that they have nowhere to go if they start coming to their senses and think about leaving - so they're basically never going to leave. Telling your kid that you'll throw them out of the house if they're gay or trans just makes them feel more "othered" and makes you look like a bad guy who isn't worth listening to at all, so when the troon groomer says "your parents will never understand you like I do" your kid has basically no choice but to believe that and trust the groomer more.
While it's possible to prevent your kid from trooning out, you can't stop someone from being gay/lesbian/bi. In the case of the both by ensuring they are still welcome in your home, you can teach them what to avoid and ensure they are well adjusted and don't fall into any degenerate activities.
 
I'd say paint the trannies as ridiculous, utterly miserable wrecks of people and slaves to their coom who live deep in delusion and with chronic pain, before some heavily filtered predator starts telling them lies.

I don't suggest showing to children the hall of shame and srs thread, but the cautionary tales can be conveyed in vague details when, say, the topic of pride month comes up or when a troon passes by.
The tricky part would be, explain it the way they will not run their mouth and cause problems.
 
With how many kids are reading way below grade level, I wouldn't be surprised if either is true.
and that issue will be perpetuated in public schools if tranny/queer teachers decide that gender nonsense is more important then if a child can read "One Fish, Two Fish, Red Fish, Blue Fish"... well that and if they have a really really dumb child who should be put in special ed, but complications arise, leading to the whole class being dragged down due to shit like "no child left behind".
 
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Telling a child that your love for them is conditional will lead them to seek out people who they think they can get unconditional love from, and will lead them to completely disregard you as a voice of reason.

You're literally describing how to ripen your child up for a predator. Predators love to go after children whose parents aren't giving them the support they need. An isolated child who feels misunderstood and feels like their parents don't love them might as well be dancing around at a NAMBLA convention wearing a sign that says "SUPER GROOMABLE!!!"
PL but considering I came on KF as a depooner, my voice likely needs to be heard

That's literally one of major reasons why I ended up mingling with pedophiles as a minor and having gender identity related issues. I still disregard my parents as a voice of reason, both of them are dysfunctional narcissists on a level you'll see among trannies, so I don't even contact them anymore.

It's really retarded to assume that everyone who procreates is a sane human being who needs to be respected on the basis of simple procreation. And speaking of,
If you make it clear up front what the consequences are, it makes it more clear what they will face if they go down that route. It's not complicated. But understanding cause and effect must come difficult to you.
I strongly recommend against psychopaths procreating as well.

Considering that barely anyone still does anything about it and everyone who has been raised like absolute shit is discarded or further abused, I genuinely believe that the world is run by pedophiles and pedo enablers. Or just some general wicked circle with pedophilia being a part of the bigger pattern, all of this also has proven to me that we do, in fact, live in a fallen sinful world.

I'm not sober right now, so I'm not sure if this makes sense.

But I feel like the online LARP revival of tradcath/orthobro Christian larpers is basically the right-wing version of trannyism. Transgenderism itself is a religion. Autists tend to love rules and structure, and religion/gender ideology can give that to them.
You're 100% correct and I'm saying this as a Christian, these people are definitely the "weed" in the Parable of Weeds. Some weed is hard to distinguish from wheat, rye, and similar crops while they're growing. These LARPers are literally like that, impostors that are in it for all the wrong reasons.
 
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I wonder if a lot of this is people have forgotten the lessons from 'The Emperor's New Clothes' or the 'The Ugly Duckling' or we have simply stopped teaching them to the younger generation.
"The Emperor's New Clothes" is an uncomfortable story because it's all about virtue signaling. It's especially relevant to tranny ideology. Lots of people love to show how accepting they are. It's not taught today because it's all too relevant to today's culture of bullshit empty platitudes.

If you want to see what a woman really thinks about trannies, congratulate her on passing so well. When she gets mistaken for a tranny you'll see what she really thinks.
 
You can't convince tranny libtards to be anti-tranny. Sometimes you can convince non-tranny libtards to be anti-tranny if they're not on the far-left deep end already. But you're never going to convince any organization that's very pro-trans to stop being pro-trans. There's already been countless evidence debunking trans ideology over the past few years, but these people are a part of a cult that repeats propaganda, they do not care. Unfortunately, they've infiltrated the majority of "nerdy" hobbies, so I'm trying to get involved in more outdoorsy hobbies, hobbies that include going outside or putting in real physical work - as these types of things tend to deter trannies.
I used to be wholly supportive of this stuff without being critical about it at all, and thought criticism was invalidating other people. I have changed my stance on trannies quite a bit over the years from reading a lot of different takes, and I am a dirty leftist. It is possible for those on a side opposite of you to listen to reason, but it takes a long time and a lot of learning. However, there's probably also a time and a place for everything, and the group that said user is talking about likely isn't open to outside opinions.

Edit: i didn't notice that the post I responded to was several pages back, apologies. Long-time lurker, rarely post.
 
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You need to be an engaged parent who, yes, up to a certain age shelters your child from a whole bunch of shit until they start getting older (but, when they're like 10 and under, not a teen). You need to also teach them how to think through and react to situations where someone may expose them to something, like if they have a weird teacher who wants to talk to them about topics you don't approve of like a lot of teachers seem to want to do these days. Teach them skills and allow them healthy outlets for curiosity about the world, get them into hiking and camping and let them do music lessons or get a sports team, anything within your ability other than being stuck inside rotting. Things that give them confidence and enhance their social skills while still under your supervision. Certain things I definitely wouldn't just blanket ban but instead react to their curiosity or want for it by telling them that those sorts of things are for them to get for themselves when they're old enough to get a job and pay for it themselves. Things such as smart phones or personal computers. Definitely teach them how to use computers and such. Just in a controlled environment without the ability to use it on their own, in private, whenever they want.

I think that aside from not having the trust of their kid and not being engaged parents are also not proactive enough. In the sense they wait until their kids are exposed to something or get in trouble before teaching them about it or giving them a framework for how to deal with things when really it's best to try and teach them how to navigate difficult situations, uncomfortable feelings, and peer pressure before hand as much as is possible.

The teen years are an awkward phase because they're not adults yet but they're not little children. The older teen years are basically supposed to be a trial run where they can still make mistakes while under parents'/family protection and guidance while also not having the responsibility and stress of truly being on their own. People both treat them as too young and incapable but also as much too adult at times. All the stuff that parents are most worried about are really solidified in the childhood years not the teen years so if you're scrambling to figure out what to keep your teen away from then you've already fucked up IMO.

Also, give yourself some grace if you try everything you're supposed to and shit still goes sideways. Everyone is their own person at the end of the day and some people are just destined to be fuck ups. Sucks when it's your spawn but life is a bitch.
 
You need to be an engaged parent who, yes, up to a certain age shelters your child from a whole bunch of shit until they start getting older (but, when they're like 10 and under, not a teen). You need to also teach them how to think through and react to situations where someone may expose them to something,
This is a tangent, but it's something I think we're missing in the modern day.

When I was a kid, there was a Consumer Reports magazine for kids, originally Penny Power but they changed the name to Zillions at some point to seem cooler. It was Advertising Literacy for Kids, and it had the vibe of an educational magazine mixed with Mad. The magazine told exactly the right age of kid what techniques were being used to sell them stuff, at the age where "whoa, so that's how they're doing it" really is a revelation and it makes the kid feel like they know more than the adults who are trying to trick them. You get your kid a subscription to Zillions, they learn how DOLL DOES NOT WALK, and not only does your kid learn how to protect themself from how the world works, your kid also doesn't find this out at age 20 and become an edgy Adbusters-type person instead.

It's honestly a resource that I wish were still around, every time I see a screencap of a Wendy's tweet. I'm pretty sure that it's part of why I'm an asshole today (positive). Retrospective article with some pages (archive).

Anyway, that's the kind of anti-gender resource that older kids need, the kind that tells them how to pick apart arguments, how they're being sold on an ism--and the kind that's funny, because if they weren't a threat, just look at the troons. There are plenty of resources that come at it from a faith standpoint, or cutsey books so you can tell young kids they're special just how they are. It's impossible to get ahead of the ever-changing goalposts of the gendies and warn about each individual threat specifically; kids need a framework and some reassurance that it's not just them, like we have informally here. You want it set up so your kid doesn't come home and say "I talked to Leaf and I think I might be a demiboy too," but instead, "hi, Mom, guess what new identity Leaf is trying to claim now."
 
It's honestly a resource that I wish were still around, every time I see a screencap of a Wendy's tweet. I'm pretty sure that it's part of why I'm an asshole today (positive). Retrospective article with some pages (archive).
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"Kids absorb these messages. If they see boys win more in ads, they may get the idea that girls should let boys win. After all, our society puts a lot of pressure on boys to always need to win."

And now we have hulking autists in dresses demanding that they "win" every time against women. Hmm....
 
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"Kids absorb these messages. If they see boys win more in ads, they may get the idea that girls should let boys win. After all, our society puts a lot of pressure on boys to always need to win."

And now we have hulking autists in dresses demanding that they "win" every time against women. Hmm....
Considering most are in the age range where they got that message as kid you may be onto something. Also the first two images are broken.
 
Considering most are in the age range where they got that message as kid you may be onto something. Also the first two images are broken.
There's only the one image. Site is being fucky.

Random question because I'm curious. In your personal irl experience, has trans support gone up, down or stayed the same? What about your online experiences, are those any different?
I currently work in a place with a lot of neurodivergent zoomers and millennials who tend to align politically with them. I can't remember working anywhere where trans stuff was mentioned ever, and now it's pretty constant. We've got a bunch of female genderspecials who personally are pretty chill with people using female pronouns for them, but they'll get pretty rabid if you mention JK Rowling or trans kids in sports.

Just a couple of days ago I had a coworker inform me that apparently a member of staff hinted at preferring "she/her" pronouns. I'm not entirely surprised, based on the fact that the guy in question has given off serial gooner vibes from day one in a way that seriously creeped me the fuck out, but I'll lose my job if he makes that preference more strongly known and I don't bite my tongue.
 
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