Charlie Kirk: Aftermath, Gravedancing, and Manhunt

[BinaricHate]

Issue is though, akin to Trump's own speech at the event, had it been a pop leftist enemy killed by a discord gooner instead of Kirk, how different would the whole grift be?
And in the case right now and the mass hysteria that's following, how genuine is all this sympathy, especially from a pedophile edgelord, and how much is it just fucking grift?

Oh 100% agree. While I don't doubt that there are people out there who liked kirk and are actually sad about his death. Sam hyde is definitely not one of them.

 

[Death of an Ego]

I was going to try and read this thread in it's entirety before I posted anything like I tend to do, but this one moves too fast for that with everything else I have going on. I'm still back on page 500 something since I had to give it a break.

I'll get right to the point. Charlie Kirk didn't deserve to die for his political opinions. I didn't totally agree or disagree with his standpoints on politics, but no one should be assassinated for political speech unless it outright calls for murder, ideological "cleansing", or outlawing those you disagree with. That last part is why so many with a conservative bent are rejoicing mightily. For the last 15 years or so, they have been subjected to the flagrant intolerance of people who label themselves as those who strive for social progress while actively undermining anything related to that term. In that situation they find themselves in, I think giving the people who've wronged them a taste of their own medicine in the form of their own rotten tactics can be given a pass at the very least in the short term.

I doubt it really needs to be said here, given what I've read, But an eye for an eye for Kirk's cold blooded murder would hinder any real efforts for positive change as I see it. Who on the leftist side (not left, there's a massive distinction there) is even worth the bullet, time, or isn't protected by such security that nothing short of state action would take them out? I see people angry with Hasan Piker, but any competent right wing person with facts on their side could clown on his stupid ass in even an unfair debate. Who do the actual leftists, the hard left, have as a viable target to begin with? The hard left, much like the hard right, has learned the opsec rules. I see people who have none being completely figuratively anally reamed with no lube by this travesty, but the people watching and plotting on both "sides" are who are the most dangerous.

I have to say something as someone who considers himself a true liberal, not whatever the fucking right/left wing journoscum try to tar us as. The thing you should fear most is taking away freedom of speech from your political enemies. The democrats were warned over and over again about what would happen if they forced policies unwanted by the old guard of the GOP over their strident opposition to them, and the results speak for themselves. You risk doing that to your own ideology by attempting to silence ideals. And since I prefer to actually debate conservatives rather than vilify them, at this point we have a common enemy in the corruption of left wing progressive ideology, so I'll just remind anyone on the conservative side that the old quote about never interrupting your enemy while he's making a mistake is far easier to do when he's dumb enough to communicate his plans to all.

 

[Crocodylus Acutus]

Kipling's 'If—' is a great poem that I think has a lot of relevancy here.

If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
Or being hated, don’t give way to hating,
And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise:

If you can dream—and not make dreams your master;
If you can think—and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build ’em up with worn-out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: ‘Hold on!’

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with Kings—nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,
And—which is more—you’ll be a Man, my son!

Here's another poem by Edmund Vance Cooke that's also relevant. It's very much in the same style as Kipling's piece, and also one of my favorite poems:


How Did You Die?

Did you tackle that trouble that came your way
With a resolute heart and cheerful?
Or hide your face from the light of day
With a craven soul and fearful?
Oh, a trouble's a ton, or a trouble's an ounce,
Or a trouble is what you make it,
And it isn't the fact that you're hurt that counts,
But only how did you take it?

You are beaten to earth? Well, well, what's that?
Come up with a smiling face.
It's nothing against you to fall down flat,
But to lie there -- that's disgrace.
The harder you're thrown, why the higher you bounce;
Be proud of your blackened eye!
It isn't the fact that you're licked that counts,
It's how did you fight -- and why?

And though you be done to the death, what then?
If you battled the best you could,
If you played your part in the world of men,
Why, the Critic will call it good.
Death comes with a crawl, or comes with a pounce,
And whether he's slow or spry,
It isn't the fact that you're dead that counts,
But only how did you die?

 

[close]

causing the bullet to spin less and have worse penetration

Does spin affect penetration? I thought it was 100% for stability.

 

[Hooked on phobics]

I thought it was 100% for stability.

it is, as said before, rifling actually marginally slows it down. its not a drill bit

 

[TJT]

I doubt it really needs to be said here, given what I've read, But an eye for an eye for Kirk's cold blooded murder would hinder any real efforts for positive change as I see it. Who on the leftist side (not left, there's a massive distinction there) is even worth the bullet, time, or isn't protected by such security that nothing short of state action would take them out? I see people angry with Hasan Piker, but any competent right wing person with facts on their side could clown on his stupid ass in even an unfair debate. Who do the actual leftists, the hard left, have as a viable target to begin with? The hard left, much like the hard right, has learned the opsec rules. I see people who have none being completely figuratively anally reamed with no lube by this travesty, but the people watching and plotting on both "sides" are who are the most dangerous.

Assassination aside the major change here is that it is now clear that Leftists have no intention of listening to any debate. So it serves no purpose. People are now correctly identifying the past decade of censorship, cancel culture, blah blah for what it was. Deliberate action to prevent discussion because some of the smarter Leftists know their positions are untenable but are ideologically forced to support them no matter what (see troons). So they changed tactics to shut down anyone who wanted to discuss it as racist, homophobic, nazi, and so on.

Our girl June Lapine said it succinctly. Charlie was all about open discussion and he was killed for it. Whoever comes after Charlie won't be interested in discussion and we move to the next stage.

There wont be a positive change from this in the context that it will likely not go where Charlie himself would have wanted. Because he would have continued going on for open discussion. But there will indeed be a change.

 

[LeChampion1992]

At least you’re open about being a fascist piece of shit. You know the Nazis lost right? They also thought their third reich would reign 100 years. It turns out it wasn’t a good time living in a Russian prison camp after just 12 years.

People like you are the most genuinely evil people on the planet. You're the type of person that would excuse genocide and gleefully do it because theyre bad people but cry unfair when you're called a faggot by a starving child.

You call us nazis because your side wants to justify the evil it wants to do and already has done. Do I need to remind you of the horrors that have been inflicted by the Bolsehevis throughout history. Leave this thread you fucking ghoul.

When we win which we will we will spend the next 4 generations ensuring that ghouls like him will be viewed worse than nazis.

 

[YHWH's Strongest Soldier]

People like you are the most genuinely evil people on the planet.

Nigger, he's just writing dumb shit on an obscure Internet forum that you find distasteful. What the fuck are you even talking about?

 

[Death of an Ego]

Assassination aside the major change here is that it is now clear that Leftists have no intention of listening to any debate. So it serves no purpose. People are now correctly identifying the past decade of censorship, cancel culture, blah blah for what it was. Deliberate action to prevent discussion because some of the smarter Leftists know their positions are untenable but are ideologically forced to support them no matter what (see troons). So they changed tactics to shut down anyone who wanted to discuss it as racist, homophobic, nazi, and so on.
Our girl June Lapine said it succinctly. Charlie was all about open discussion and he was killed for it. Whoever comes after Charlie won't be interested in discussion and we move to the next stage.

There wont be a positive change from this in the context that it will likely not go where Charlie himself would have wanted. Because he would have continued going on for open discussion. But there will indeed be a change.

"Leftists", by their very nature, are never up for debate. They are radicals safe in a mental sinecure of shared thought and belief. Trying to reason with any type of leftist committed to whatever branch ideology is a total waste of time. They think they are right and above you, and most likely hate you even if you are another leftist with slightly different goals or thoughts on the prize. The best thing to do is avoid them, and they are usually attention seekers, so that tends to be easy enough. It's a bit rougher when you have to deal with them in a professional situation that involves discussion. All I can say there is stay professional.

 

[Ewan McGregor]

Issue is though, akin to Trump's own speech at the event, had it been a pop leftist enemy killed by a discord gooner instead of Kirk, how different would the whole grift be?

I'm unsure whether if Democrats would have embraced Hasan so earnestly

 

[IAmARetard]

Pretty crazy that Kirk's death was able to make not only Sam Hyde cry, but now I'm seeing fucking Mister Metokur was shedding tears and FOUND GOD because of him? This is fucking nuts!

Mister Metokur put it in words much better than I ever could. What I think affected both Sam Hyde and Metokur (and thousands other men around the world) was that Kirk's wife and children saw him get shot. I don't know if Sam Hyde has kids, I know Metokur doesn't but I got the impression he wanted them and decided against it because of his sickness and not being able to take care of them.

At least from the male perspective, when you get kids, you discover two new greatest fears you can imagine. Fears you've never known before. Fears that make your blood turn to ice when you think about them.

First is obviously, the fear that your children will die before you do.

The second is that your children will lose you before they're ready for life on their own.

This second fear can almost make that stupid Killary quote "Women are the primary victims of war" make sense.

One of the things I can't get out of my head is the video of Charlie's older daughter running into his lap during some show. Him talking how coming back home to his children is better than meeting any president.

Having kids that are around the same age as Charlie's, I know both of them were asking "where's dad" the next hour, next day, next week, next month. My kids ask that when I'm at work. And the same for my wife.

Then finding out Charlie's daughter ran to him because she got scared of the noise of the shot... It's so heartbreaking.



Fuck the shooter. I hope he gets death penalty. I don't know how miss Kirk can forgive him, I never could.

 

[Preacher ✝]

Personally, I recommend the ESV Study Bible.

There is an ESV-CE thats approved by the Catholic Church, so it has that over the KJV at least.

 

[LightDragonman1]

Found more people posting his death and dancing on it, this time mockingly saying he would like the upcoming acclaimed film One Battle After Another.

 

[Commander X]

A lot of the reactions to the memorial I've seen from left-oids, besides comparing it to a rally in Nazi Germany, have been variations on this old bit

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

I'm unsure whether if Democrats would have embraced Hasan so earnestly

Bet on the tard-rights embracing Hasan just as enthusiastically as the left-rads did Kirk.
It's all so stupid.

 

[Ewan McGregor]

A lot of the reactions to the memorial I've seen from left-oids, besides comparing it to a rally in Nazi Germany, have been variations on this old bit

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The Biblically accurate policy on immigration is actually fairly fucking BASED

 

[Puff]

There is an ESV-CE thats approved by the Catholic Church, so it has that over the KJV at least.

Alternatively use the KJV because it's heavily based on the Tyndale, whose translator was tortured to death by the Roman church for doing the translation. Of all of the things to listen to the papists about, translations aren't one of them. They tried to suppress vernacular translations for centuries, often with the sword, and try to push the blame off to the secular authorities who did the dirty work for them of performing the executions.

 

[Gregis]

That's weird, I thought this was supposed to be the informative thread to document shit, not the shit out your fucking takes thread. Look, if you're upset Charlie's dead, you can help by shutting the fuck up and documenting the people cheering it on. If someone comes here to let you know they think you're gay for caring or ooze out some fucking faux-moderate "he was a grifter but he didn't deserve that" garbage, you don't have to respond, you can just report them! If you want a gay, useless chat thread to shit up with political takes, USPG2 is just down the hall, and it can't really get much worse!

 

[Molag Bal]

Since Kirk's wife already forgave her husband's murderer and all the justified rage on the right has had the wind taken out of its sails, I decided to make this after all, after being too lazy to be bothered before.
Also this thing that Whites insist on doing where instead of calling for the heads of those who killed their loved ones, they instead defuse the justified rage and do this forgiveness/empathy shit, I hate it, absolutely despise it, it disgusts me and makes me actually angry. Don't forgive your enemies, call for their heads. Hound them to the ends of the earth. Demand policy and laws that ban their entire tribalist in-group (in this case fags) from even existing. They should be with their backs to the wall, scrambling to justify before the electorate why they should be tolerated.

 

[Exegesis]

People like you who can't do simple information retrieval and division are allowed to use AI to help you think but for the love of god don't post what it outputs. Keep it to yourself.

I don't know what you are on about in this section but I was just going vaguely based off of an inaccurate memory from this video. The amount of content wikipedia has in total is completely irrelevant to the fact that the people on there hardly do any research at all and their citations are shit. It was a side point.

I've seen science articles that were basically the whole field minutely described being edited for length as if electrons are a scarce resource.

Wikipedias strong point has often been their scientific articles since there isn't much that you can argue over outside of when a feild isn't fully understood. Even then, you can always just avoid conflict by putting both theories in the articles with proper labeling. Their historical ones are subjected to retarded revisionism and the political ones are so biased that it has become newsworthy (refer to the earlier discussion).