Charlie Kirk: Aftermath, Gravedancing, and Manhunt

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ShiNeSeNSei dijo:
The public was invited to Charlie Kirk’s memorial service in Glendale, Arizona, so Westboro Baptist Church joins the fray with plain Gospel Words, which are LIFE and HEALTH for ours and our neighbors’ souls!
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If you credit Luke 16 (and we do), this is what Charlie Kirk wants right now: for someone to warn his family and friends to serve God in TRUTH as He’s revealed in Scripture, so they don’t follow him (Charlie) to Hell.
Repent or perish!
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You know this is pretty tame compared to how they were back in the 90's. It's like they kind lost passion for it and are nicer compared to the people dancing on his grave.
 
The High Prophet of Truth dijo:
Considering that a good chunk of them are young people, yes. Like it or not, there is a not insignificant chunk of people who do not care one way or the other about Charlie Kirk or the fact he was murdered, and watching the right-wing's outrage over it is annoying to them. The left could get a decent amount of support from saying "The right will get you fired just because you made fun of some random guy you never heard of before today dying".
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There are a lot of odd logical twists at play here.

You could definitely be forgiven for not being political or not knowing who Kirk was or really caring about his life or death. But then again, if you think that it's not a politically and culturally significant event, or that it just doesn't matter if political assassinations are being seen as acceptable even against moderate, milquetoast and normal dudes, you're just kind of an idiot. If you can't clearly identify the injustice in a decent and peaceful man being executed in front of his children, I'd go as far as to question your humanity and your worth to society as a whole.

If these people are annoyed at right wing outrage over Kirk's death, and you say that should carry some kind of consideration, then we've got to weigh it against other factors.

To begin with, what's the alternative for right wingers? Not care about it so it doesn't inconvenience the shitposting of a handful of nihilistic faggots? That doesn't seem like a reasonable expectation to me. How about not imposing opportunity costs and consequences on their enemies or trying to remove those who enjoy it when people like them die from positions of responsibility in their communities?

Are these people going to sign on for the full progressive stack and become fervent trans allies and anti-imperialist, anti-racist advocates, along with the 24/7 ideological struggle session that entails? Because that's what being "of the left" means right now.

And then we've got the value that the left could derive from appealing to these people, compared to the value the right derives from appealing to people who are actually normal, productive and have a flicker of human decency. Are nihilistic shitposters a hot demographic? Do they have a high turnaround rate in terms of meaningful action? Are they going to contribute more to any cause they're a part of than the other people the right is appealing to right now, who are drawing comparisons between St. Floyd and Charlie Kirk and thinking maybe one side is kind of losing the plot?

In short, who gives a shit?
 
I'm not sure if this got posted before, but remember when Gavin Newsom tried doing a long-form podcast style debate series and Charlie Kirk was the first guest he had on it? It was actually pretty cordial and even though Kirk pressed him on a lot, it went pretty smoothly. Newsom even told Kirk that his son is a fan of him. Here's what he had to say after the shooting:

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I'm surprised that he didn't immediatly go to his usual anti-gun stance. Also, leftists didn't take kindly to this statement and he'll probably lose support. NOT surprised there.
 
nelly98 dijo:
Can't say I was a huge fan of Trump's speech, way too much unrelated to Charlie. While some of it was funny, I don't think it was the time or place for a lot of what he talked about.

Also...this all feels so surreal. My 22 year old daily show with John Stewart watching self would never believe that I would be watching some Republican event for a political assassination with Trump as president. How the fuck did we go from W declaring the GWoT and Democrats being the anti-war party to wherever the fuck we are now with the sides almost completely flipped?
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Yeah, 90s teen me who got my political views from MTV and then later from free-thinking bloggers, fringe forums, and Milton Friedman books would have never imagined there'd be a day I'm watching President Donald Trump calling internet celebrities losers at a memorial. It's strange. Surreal is the best word for it. The entire last decade feels like one of those dreams where you keep skipping around and can't remember how you got there.

I'm a resident of BP, Stinkditch, and Deathfat forums so I won't politisperge too much here, I'll just say this. Whether I agree with any of you or not, I'm grateful that we have each other and can talk about this stuff openly. This really is the last outpost of free discussion on the internet that I'm aware of and that's something else I never thought I'd see in my lifetime, I was naive enough to think the connection to the world we experienced in the old days would last forever.

I'd legit go crazy if all I had for discussion of this bizarre world we live in is Reddit and YouTube Shorts comment section. So thank you, everyone. Even you retards out there.
 
nelly98 dijo:
Also...this all feels so surreal. My 22 year old daily show with John Stewart watching self would never believe that I would be watching some Republican event for a political assassination with Trump as president. How the fuck did we go from W declaring the GWoT and Democrats being the anti-war party to wherever the fuck we are now with the sides almost completely flipped?
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The uniparty is apolitical - they want unfettered access to money, wealth, and power. They used the Evangelical right because that was the culturally dominant force in the 90s-2000s and after they eroded that movement with their pro-war nonsense they slowly moved to the other side of the political isle where they could operate under cover. Now that they've used up the good will of the left and eroded that party into a twisted amalgamation of what it once stood for they are 100% trying to sneak their way back into the nationalist republican movement. These people serve no ideology except whatever will give them more power - it's the same reason why to a lesser degree the Karens from the Evangelical right in the 2000s are the strongest proponents of cancel culture today; they aren't high enough to directly profit off of it but it gives them some kind of holier than thou platform to be "better" than other people. These people seesaw back and forth between hosts in order to extract as much resources or political power as possible, then rinse and repeat once the host dies.
 
Purveyor of Hardwood dijo:
Are nihilistic shitposters a hot demographic?
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Unfortunately, yes. That was one of Kirk's biggest reasons for running Turning Point, to keep young people from falling into that mindset. Whether it means a rise in Democrat wins remains to be seen, but completely dismissing them is dumb. Apathy can be worse than hatred (and I know I'm saying that after Kirk's memorial got something like a collective 2 million views).
 
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Billy Bob Dick dijo:
CA, NY and IL elections are rigged all to shit. Makes no difference what Guesome Newsome says or does.
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Newsom is nothing more than a useful idiot for the Democratic party and as soon as he stops being useful they will dump him and throw all his skeletons on top of his body.

It would be really funny if this whole thing redpills him but I wouldn’t count on it.
 
The High Prophet of Truth dijo:
Unfortunately, yes. That was one of Kirk's biggest reasons for running Turning Point, to keep young people from falling into that mindset. Whether it means a rise in Democrat wins remains to be seen, but completely dismissing them is dumb. Apathy can worse than hatred.
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I can agree that appealing to young people is important, not just for the sake of political calculus, but because young people in this country really need some meaning and direction.

But we go back to weighing some of those options from before. If these people don't have any will at all to elevate themselves, and they can't immediately resonate with the fact that the guy who made his whole life about extending them an open hand was assassinated in front of thousands of their cohort on a college campus, what cost is worth paying to drag them kicking and screaming into the light? Letting go of human decency? Respect for the dead?
 
Wendyverse Enjoyer dijo:
The purpose is that you lead your life with grace of the gospel and seek him .Your actions will repel evil as natural as you seek christ. You hate evil, not the people caught in it. I should rephrase myself.

AS the adage goes, hate the sin, not the sinner.
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Loving the sinner doesn't mean you invite a kiddy diddler and murderer to sing kumbaya around a campfire. Love means righteous correction and seeing that they do right by those they've hurt. It's a very modern idea that love and forgiveness means endless affirmation, ego stroking, and suicidal empathy. There's a reason why those on death row pray for leniency and for mercy and not for forgiveness.
 
Clyde Cash's Left Teste dijo:
Man they haven't been relavent in a decade.
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Christians didn't give up when we were persecuted by Rome, I don't know what relevancy has to do with saving your soul from eternal damnation.

WBC gives zero hoots whether society “shuns” or accepts us. We have picketed every single day, by God’s mercy and strength, since the day we started—35 years ago. Telling you every day America is doomed for proud sin. Meanwhile if you paid attention as you went in to worship the dead at the Charlie Kirk Memorial today, you saw us there with these God-blessed Bible signs.

Repent or Perish!
 
George Lucas dijo:
This is the sort of revisionist perspective that comes from looking at Roman Judea through a modern lens. The Sanhedrin was the ruling court as part of a three branch ‘separate but equal’ type government the Romans established for the Jews: a Roman governor (Pilate), a culturally Greek King (Herod), and a Jewish high priest (Caiaphas). Jesus came to destroy the Jewish religion (tear down the Temple) and replace it with Christianity (rebuild it in three days). Jesus literally disrupted the political system of Roman Judea, and by proxy eventually the Roman Empire and most of the world.
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Neither Jesus’’ actual movement, or that of the early church was remotely concerned with temporal politics dude. They both expected the end of the world/parousia within a century. More than that-they were always in the social fringe.

You see this in both Jesus’ himself-destroy the temple and rebuild it means a supernatural temple, whereas with the early church-the expectation of Christ return as imminent meant no consideration was given to “what would society look like if Christian’s were in charge and the majority?”-the question never comes up because it was never expected.

By the time it does become a majority religion and has to act like a majority religion-give to Caesar’s what is Caesar’s becomes far more troublesome, not to mention questions of expanding the religion by force, etc…-because it was never intended to rule.
 
ShiNeSeNSei dijo:
The public was invited to Charlie Kirk’s memorial service in Glendale, Arizona, so Westboro Baptist Church joins the fray with plain Gospel Words, which are LIFE and HEALTH for ours and our neighbors’ souls!
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If you credit Luke 16 (and we do), this is what Charlie Kirk wants right now: for someone to warn his family and friends to serve God in TRUTH as He’s revealed in Scripture, so they don’t follow him (Charlie) to Hell.
Repent or perish!
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These particular christfaggots are still around? I thought they disbanded after Fred Phelps died.
 
Ishtar dijo:
Neither Jesus’’ actual movement, or that of the early church was remotely concerned with temporal politics dude. They both expected the end of the world/parousia within a century. More than that-they were always in the social fringe.

You see this in both Jesus’ himself-destroy the temple and rebuild it means a supernatural temple, whereas with the early church-the expectation of Christ return as imminent meant no consideration was given to “what would society look like if Christian’s were in charge and the majority?”-the question never comes up because it was never expected.

By the time it does become a majority religion and has to act like a majority religion-give to Caesar’s what is Caesar’s becomes far more troublesome, not to mention questions of expanding the religion by force, etc…-because it was never intended to rule.
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Why would Jesus expect the end of the world in a century when he already knows the future?

The Apostles immediately started churches and had the first council. They started a administration so early that it could be documented in Acts, so even Protestants have to accept that it existed and is a fundamental part of Christianity. How is that not a political entity in the context of antiquity? Keep in mind every civilization in that period, known and unknown to the Roman world, had a tight coupling of religion and the ruling class. Starting a religious movement was ipso facto political. It doesn’t matter if they believed that movement would be irrelevant within the century. The organization already exists, full stop.
 
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