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Should be a wild four years.

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Última edición por un moderador:
Most centrists aren't actually centrist. They're lefties that had a problem with the worst excesses of the commies. The easiest way to tell is if they are "taking a principled stance" as soon as the right starts collecting some scalps.

People think a culture war wouldn't play out in under the same side of any other war but thats retarded. Sherman had the right of it, war is hell, and there can only be peace when there is unconditional surrender.

There's still a few operation chokepoint's to make amends for, as well as the kids who got the cops called on them for leaving scuff marks on a pride sidewalk, and calling parents at PTA meetings domestic terrorists.

Good luck lefties, enjoy the bed that you made. Not a fan of the right, but you guys have it coming
I'd go a step further, Centrists don't even care about the issues at all. They care about the optics of having to admit/explain their stances. They wouldn't support Trump in 2016 but many do now because he's normalized. And because they could hardly defend voting for dementia joe or alcoholic Kamala.

Centrists vote democrat by default unless a Republican is better optics. Think, Joe Rogan. He could hardly justify supporting Kamala so he defaulted to Trump.
 
I just had to listen to an enlightened centrist go “well what about Donald trump and January 6???” In response to the left fomenting & encouraging political violence. Saying trump shouldn’t say “turn down the rhetoric” until he repents for January 6.

it’s very annoying to me and I wish J6 never happened so I wouldn’t have to hear it brought up EVERY time the left does anything outrageous
Did that fence-sitter see the footage in full context or just what was shown to them for the narrative?
 
I'd go a step further, Centrists don't even care about the issues at all.
Most people don't care about the issues at all. It's why politics is practically a team sport now.

The based right is super against miscegenation unless it's with Asian ladies. The anti abortion sorts have lots of justification for when their college bound daughter gets knocked up. The greens will make you drink out of paper straws while they take a plane to vacation in the Caribbean. The libertarian will cry when they can opt out of the fire dept and their house don't get saved when it catches on fire.

If you must label yourself in someway, there's no way to convince me it's not primarily to feel smug over others
 
The anti abortion sorts have lots of justification for when their college bound daughter gets knocked up.
Less abortions is better than more abortions, but if we can get away with no abortions period we'll grab that Overton window and fling it as far right as we can get away with.

Just look at Texas. We aren't prosecuting the women because it would be political suicide, but any doctor (or not doctor) that provides an abortion is going to get turbofucked six ways to Sunday.

 
A snippet from DJ Vance's speech, which I though was very important for people to hear. I still recommend people watch the whole speech, it's really good. You have never seen this man so angry like this and I pray that we never will again.

tl;dr:
There is no "unity" with people who scream at children over their parents' politics.
There is no "unity" with someone who [anger] lies about what Charlie Kirk said in order to excuse his murder.
There is no "unity" with someone who harasses an innocent family the day after the father of that family lost a dear friend.
There is no "unity" with the people who celebrate [very angry] Charlie Kirk's assassination.
And there is no "unity" with the people who fund these articles, who pay the salaries of these terrorist sympathizers; who argue that Charlie Kirk, a loving husband and father, deserved [very angry] a shot to the neck, because he spoke words with which they disagreed.
[...] [later in the speech]
Now, our government -- you heard me talk with Stephen Miller about this -- will be working very hard to do exactly that, in the months to come.
We're not always gonna get it right. We will sometimes move more slowly that you would like; we will sometimes move more slowly than I want us to.
But I promise you that we will explore *every* option to bring real unity to our country, and stop those who would kill their fellow Americans because they don't like what they say.
[the honesty is refreshing]
[...] [later in the speech]

But you [points at camera] have a role too!
Civil society, Charlie understood this well, is not just something that flows from the government; it flows from each and every one of us. It flows from all of us.

So when you see someone celebrating Charlie's murder, call them out! And, hell, CALL THEIR EMPLOYER!
We don't believe in political violence but we do believe in *civility*.
And there is *no* civility in the celebration of political assassination!
He basically called them fucking animals unfit for civilized society holy shit!


[This is NOT the whole speech! Just the part I find really important for everyone to listen/read]

I really do believe that we can come together in this country. I believe we must.
But unity, real unity, can be found only after climbing the mountain of truth.
And there are difficult truths we must confront in our country.

One truth is that 24% of self-described "very liberals" believe it is acceptable to happy about the death of a political opponent.
While only 3% of self-described very conservatives agree.
3% is too many, of course.
Another truth is that 26% of young liberals believe political violence is sometimes justified.
And only 7% of young conservatives say the same.
Again, too high a number.

In a country 330 million people, you can of course find one person of a given political persuasion justifying this or that, or almost anything.
But the data is clear: People on the Left are much likelier to defend and celebrate political violence.
This is not a "both sides" problem!
If both sides have a problem, one side has a much bigger and malignant(?) problem, and that is the truth we must be told.

That problem has terrible consequences.
The leader of our party, Donal J. Trump, has escaped an assassin's bullet by less than an inch.
Our house majority leader, Steve Scalise, came within seconds of death by an assassin, himself.
And now, the most influential conservative activist in generations, our friend Charlie, has been murdered.

This violence; it doesn't come from nowhere.

Now, any political movement, violent or not violent, is a collection of forces. It's like a pyramid that stacks on top; one support on top of the other.
That pyramid's got a foundation of donors, of activists, of journalists, now of social media influences and of course of politicians.
Not every member of that pyramid would commit a murder. In fact, over 99%, I'm sure, would not.
But by celebrating that murder, apologizing for it, and emphasizing, not Charlie's innocence, but the fact that he said things some didn't like -- even to the point of lying about what he actually said --, many of these people are creating an environment where things like this are inevitably going to happen.

[He goes on to talk about the people shouting and harassing at his children, who are 8, 5 and 3, whenever they got the opportunity.]
[he gives examples of this and quotes some of things said.]
[Referred to them as "women" and "deranged".]
[he sounds real mad.]


And while our side of the isle certainly has its crazies, it is a statistical fact that most of the lunatics, on American politics today, are proud members of the Far-Left.
After Charlie died, one of his friends -- one of our senior White House staffers -- had Left-leaning operatives in his neighborhood, passing out leaflets telling people what he looked like and where he lived, encouraging neighbors to harass him or, God forbid, to do worse.
While he was mourning his dead friend he and his wife had to worry about the political terrorists drawing a big target on the home he *shares* with his young children.

Are these people violent? I hope not.
But are they guilty of encouraging violence? [points at the camera] You damn well better believe it.

We can thank God that most Democrats don't share these attitudes, and I do [believe that] (I think is what he meant).
While acknowledging that something has gone very wrong with a lunatic fringe, a minority, but a growing and powerful minority on the far-Left.

There is no "unity" with people who scream at children, over their parents' politics.
There is no "unity" with someone who [angry] lies about what Charlie Kirk said in order to excuse his murder.
There is no "unity" with someone who harasses an innocent family the day after the father of that family lost a dear friend.
There is no "unity" with the people who celebrate [very angry] Charlie Kirk's assassination.
And there is no "unity" with the people who fund these articles, who pay the salaries of these terrorist sympathizers; who argue that Charlie Kirk, a loving husband and father, deserved [very angry] a shot to the neck, because he spoke words with which they disagreed.

[using that calm, condescending tone of someone who's clearly worked up and angry but calmly explaining something]
Did you know that the George Soros Open Society Foundation and the Ford Foundation, the groups who funded that disgusting article justifying Charlie's death. Do you know benefit from generous tax treatment?
They are literally subsidized by you. And me, the American tax payer.
And how do they reward us? By setting fire to the house built by the American family over 250 years.

I'm desperate for our country to be united in condemnation of the actions and the ideas that killed my friend. I want it so badly that I will tell you a difficult truth.

We can only have it with people who acknowledge that political violence is unacceptable, and when we work to dismantle the institutions that promote violence and terrorism in our own country.

Now, our government -- you heard me talk with Stephen Miller about this -- will be working very hard to do exactly that, in the months to come.
We're not always gonna get it right. We will sometimes move more slowly that you would like; we will sometimes move more slowly than I want us to.
But I promise you that we will explore every option to bring real unity to our country, and stop those who would kill their fellow Americans because they don't like what they say.

But you [points at camera] have a role too!
Civil society, Charlie understood this well, is not just something that flows from the government; it flows from each and every one of us. It flows from all of us.

So when you see someone celebrating Charlie's murder, call them out! And, hell, CALL THEIR EMPLOYER!
We don't believe in political violence but we do believe in civility.
And there is no civility in the celebration of political assassination!

Get involved!
Get involved!
Get involved!
It's the best way to honor Charlie's legacy.
Start a chapter of TPUSA, or get involved in the one that already exists!
If you're older, volunteer for your local party, write an op-ed in your local paper; run for office!

I can't promise you this is going to be easy.
I can't promise you that all of us will avoid Charlie's fate.
I can't promise you that I will avoid Charlie's fate.

But the best way to honor him is to shine the light of truth, like a torch, in the very darkest places.

Go DO IT! [intense]

We owe it to our friend to ensure that his killer is, not just prosecuted, but punished.
And the worst punishment is not the death penalty, but the knowledge that Charlie's mission continues after he's gone.

Saint Paul tells us, in the Book of Ephesians, to put on "the full armor of God".
Let all of us put on that armor and commit ourselves to that cause for which Charlie gave his life. To rebuild a United States of America, and to do it by telling the truth.


[This speech was very "presidential. This man is a true leader.]
[He was brutally honest with us, no camera work bullshit, the emotions were intense and very real and he's just a really good speaker]

[forgive the "--" I don't know how to do the proper symbol, but you know what I mean.]

His speech starts at 01:50:47
 
Última edición:
Less abortions is better than more abortions, but if we can get away with no abortions period we'll grab that Overton window and fling it as far right as we can get away with.

Just look at Texas. We aren't prosecuting the women because it would be political suicide, but any doctor (or not doctor) that provides an abortion is going to get turbofucked six ways to Sunday.

Sure, but I rather think you are missing my point: If you had a kid who got knocked up at 16, would you condemn her to the life that statistically women who have kids that young tend to have. Would you make your son stick around, or if not, provide child support for the next 18 years?

Most people who take hard line stances on things tend to think the negatives won't hit them, or they can work around them. In Texas, how many out of state doctors have been brought up on charges? Rich people can afford a quick trip out of state, and Republicans tend to be better off.
 
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