Charlie Kirk: Aftermath, Gravedancing, and Manhunt

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Many of these people are saying stupid shit on accounts using their real names. This is basic, basic cyber hygiene. We do not come to the Kiwifarms and give Null our real name and identities for a verified blue checkmark for a reason (well most of us anyway). Way before we even bother discussing the morality of what is being said, people who say dumb inflammatory shit on accounts using their real names are already being stupid. You can make an argument for people who at least try to have cyber hygiene sure, but when Beth Sue over here with her verified checkmark and her fucking workplace in her bio says some real knuckle dragging bullshit on her account, idfk what to tell you. If it was the other way around I still wouldn't be surprised either. People need to learn how to keep their online identities separate from each other. The reason these apes think they can is because they truly believe that theyre so overtly and morally correct that they can't possibly be wrong. Wakey wakey, welcome to the real world. I do not feel bad for them.

Small note, a lot of these very same people will want you literally dead for even having a kiwifarms account, or at least in trouble.
 
To every fucking retard going "but guys, if you get these people fired you're worse than them". Motherfucker, for the past 10 years these assholes have destroyed people's lives for so much as saying you support a presidential candidate from a major party. They have made sure that you get banned from every single website, payment processor, and anything else they can think of if you so much as disagree with whatever reality they come up with that day.
So no, fuck off. It's about time that the same tactics were turned against them. And that's not even the case, no one is getting fired for saying they support troons or saying they hate Trump, this is a much, much different situation. You cannot equate cheering for political assassinations and even calling more, and people simply disagreeing with the idea that men can become women if they "feel" like it.
They are also calling for more violence by saying he deserved it, when he was one of the most middle of the road conservatives you could find. If they believed he deserved it, then they can justify killing a lot more people.

Enough is fucking enough. This is not even 1/100th of what these psychos have been doing to normal, decent people for the last decade.
 
Dean Pentel dijo:
No it doesn't but what the other poster was talking about is not spalling.
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You're right, it is fragmentation and I had a brain fart used the wrong word while memeing on someone. The radially projected fragments of the bullet when it is destroyed on impact and ricochets, distinct from back face deformation, don't work that way either. The only plausible way to get hit in the neck by an incoming round that hit your plate is to get hit by the fragments of the bullet when it is destroyed on impact, since part of the neck may be in the fragmentation zone depending on body positioning and angle of the plate, which pretty plainly is not what happened here since the plane of the plate would have to be angled outward pretty dramatically to intersect with the middle of the neck.

It's visually apparent that Charlie Kirk was not wearing a plate, and if he was wearing concealable soft armor a 30-06 round would have just passed through it, not deflected off of it at an impossible angle and hit him in the neck.
 
prollyanotherlurker dijo:
There was a video, I posted that was deleted. And seeing that Sam Hyde video, and what he is telling people really makes, me wish I could actually have it on the site.

What did it do to the people on the right when the leftists, and trannies cost them their jobs? What did it do to people like Count Dankula that got into legal trouble? Did it change his mind? Did Josh become more, or less radical after losing the ability to access payment processors? Or was that just a superficial victory for the left, that led to people on the right, becoming more convicted in their beliefs, and to feel more justified in hating the other side?

When the right is doing the same thing. To the ones making jokes specifically. I didn't like seeing them laugh and take joy in that shooting. But I do value freedom of speech more than my feelings. But even above that. The pendulum is going to swing back eventually (don't be a high time preference acting, nigger, and think about this). If instead of normalizing valuing freedom of speech, we just keep the same playbook they used, it's going to be a losing strategy for us in the end. That play book, only won the left Pyrrhic victories, really it just galvanized the right against them. And led to them losing the level of influence they had. Even if you aren't principled about freedom of speech, I think it's important to keep in mind, what we also lose when every side is doing that dirty, PUSSY, shit.
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I understand your point, but this unironic support of murder and harassment of the victim’s family is far beyond right wingers getting sacked for, e.g. not believing in gay marriage, or mass immigration.

If a right winger had posted the absolute murderous bile about Anders Behring Breivik’s leftist victims as is being said about Charlie Kirk, I would also want them sacked.

It’s not because of the side they’re on, but the fact they genuinely believe people who disagree with them deserve to die. It shows complete irrational murderous bigotry, and suggests that at best they’d be a huge liability at risk of upsetting half the customer base, and at worst they will not be safe tending to customers/patients etc on the “other side”.
 
prollyanotherlurker dijo:
There was a video, I posted that was deleted. And seeing that Sam Hyde video, and what he is telling people really makes, me wish I could actually have it on the site.

What did it do to the people on the right when the leftists, and trannies cost them their jobs? What did it do to people like Count Dankula that got into legal trouble? Did it change his mind? Did Josh become more, or less radical after losing the ability to access payment processors? Or was that just a superficial victory for the left, that led to people on the right, becoming more convicted in their beliefs, and to feel more justified in hating the other side?

When the right is doing the same thing. To the ones making jokes specifically. I didn't like seeing them laugh and take joy in that shooting. But I do value freedom of speech more than my feelings. But even above that. The pendulum is going to swing back eventually (don't be a high time preference acting, nigger, and think about this). If instead of normalizing valuing freedom of speech, we just keep the same playbook they used, it's going to be a losing strategy for us in the end. That play book, only won the left Pyrrhic victories, really it just galvanized the right against them. And led to them losing the level of influence they had. Even if you aren't principled about freedom of speech, I think it's important to keep in mind, what we also lose when every side is doing that dirty, PUSSY, shit.
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I know you think you are really clever right now, but one saying that he doesn’t think that kids should become trannies, that COVID wasn’t that bad, or that January 6 wasn’t an attempted insurrection is not the same as celebrating someones’s murder in cold blood and essentially implying that you’d have killed that person if you could get away with it because his murder was righteous. They can try to deflect as much as they want, but every minute of this makes leftists look more unhinged to onlookers.
 
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Anyone claiming that the scope position makes this gun "unshootable" are just as ignorant as those claiming a 200 yard shot "must have been a professional hit".

First of all, yes the scope is in a sucky position, it's not optimal but not literally unshootable.

But most importantly, it appears that the scope was just knocked back in its mounting rings. Just look at it: the scope has been pushed as far back as it can go, to the point that the turrets are pushed against the rear scope ring. It's entirely possible that at some point while jumping off the roof, stowing the rifle, possibly throwing it in his car, and throwing it in the woods, that the scope was bumped pretty hard. Why is nobody talking about this?
 
Anybody know good X accounts to watch for following the evidence trail?

This is one, he is ahead of the game:

In the last 50 pages or so, the investigation has dried up in this thread and it's mostly just discussion.

Which is unfortunate because based on my lurking around the internet, kiwi is currently the farthest ahead (on or above pace with X). But X is hard to use because of the algorithm, even if you happen across the investigators on X, their posts are flooded with memes.

I understand this is just entertainment to most people, and the gravedancing and reporting people to employers is going to be a part of that, but you might crack the case wide open here and that direction is the trans-furry discord friend group.

I read through the last 300 pages of this thread and want to try and give a general summary of what the conclusions seem to be:

- Shooter grew up in a right-leaning family (confirmed).
- Shooter is not a groyper (zero evidence for this other than a squatting picture).
- Shooter does not have any directly political opinions online that have been found, other than eyewitness testimony of people who talked to him (all point towards leftism), and a Halloween costume which subjectively speaking seems to be bashing Trump.
- Shooter lives with his transitioning MTF boyfriend (confirmed by FBI, governor, and eyewitness testimony).
- Shooter's boyfriend is definitely transitioning MTF (confirmed by his Reddit account).
- Shooter's boyfriend has some loose threads connecting them to leftism (ex. posts on reddit, following leftist TikTok account)
- Shooter was part of a friend group in Steam/Discord that all seem to be connected to trans and furry community in Utah; some of them posted about "big happenings" before September 10.
- Shooter is not cooperating with the police.
- The boyfriend is reportedly cooperating.

Now, these leads into the discord/steam trans/furry thing could all be bullshit still, there is no definitive proof beyond the boyfriend. But it's still the best lead so far.

Personally, my guess is that this was a group of Utah kids who are in the "rebel phase" against the parents and the general right-leaning nature of Utah, getting groomed into a trans/furry echo chamber, which is going to be very tight-knit in a state like Utah, everybody knows each other. In typical Discord fashion they hype each other up and radicalize, joking about doing something serious, and when the chance came upon it, they started planning in somewhat jest, but then the shooter actually did it. Deranged groups of young people on Discord do stuff like this all the time, most famous being things like self-harm or animal abuse.

The question is whether there were higher forces involved, and a lot of the conversation on X and pol (what's left of pol) is focused on that, but I think that's the wrong direction to go for now. Higher forces are better at covering their tracks, and even if this group of discord trans-furries are the patsies, investigators will have to unravel the patsy thread before getting to the next level.

If you know any good X accounts, let me know.
 
Insanely Retarded dijo:
To every fucking retard going "but guys, if you get these people fired you're worse than them". Motherfucker, for the past 10 years these assholes have destroyed people's lives for so much as saying you support a presidential candidate from a major party. They have made sure that you get banned from every single website, payment processor, and anything else they can think of if you so much as disagree with whatever reality they come up with that day.
So no, fuck off. It's about time that the same tactics were turned against them. And that's not even the case, no one is getting fired for saying they support troons or saying they hate Trump, this is a much, much different situation. You cannot equate cheering for political assassinations and even calling more, and people simply disagreeing with the idea that men can become women if they "feel" like it.
They are also calling for more violence by saying he deserved it, when he was one of the most middle of the road conservatives you could find. If they believed he deserved it, then they can justify killing a lot more people.

Enough is fucking enough. This is not even 1/100th of what these psychos have been doing to normal, decent people for the last decade.
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Correct, freedom of speech is NOT freedom from consequences. They mocked "freeze peach" well they get to deal with the world THEY MADE.
 
Arbiter dijo:
Why haven't I seen news outlets properly address the sexual nature and pornographic connections of the "OwO" engraving message? They usually just hand wave it away as being a "trolling meme" or something nebulous like that. Do they truly just not understand it? Are they shying away from being too graphic? Are they trying to hide the fact that this shooter, like so many others, is perverse and that degenerate sexuality is a big part of his overall identity? He may as well have engraved "girl dick" on one of his bullets. I think the only place I saw explain that it's a gooner thing was DailyMail, using the giant Astolfo image, which was pretty funny of them.
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I honestly don't think the boomer driven media has any Internet literacy. They are two generations behind the modern Internet and, even if they did understand, they'd have zero interest in explaining that truth.
 
Arbiter dijo:
Why haven't I seen news outlets properly address the sexual nature and pornographic connections of the "OwO" engraving message?
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probably because it isn't particularly pertinent since it's just one of the many irony poisoned shitposts that are being dissected right now, the origin of "OwO *notices bulge*" was to mock furries and their faggot way of talking to begin with.
 
Room Temp Shrimp dijo:
Many of these people are saying stupid shit on accounts using their real names. This is basic, basic cyber hygiene. We do not come to the Kiwifarms and give Null our real name and identities for a verified blue checkmark for a reason (well most of us anyway). Way before we even bother discussing the morality of what is being said, people who say dumb inflammatory shit on accounts using their real names are already being stupid. You can make an argument for people who at least try to have cyber hygiene sure, but when Beth Sue over here with her verified checkmark and her fucking workplace in her bio says some real knuckle dragging bullshit on her account, idfk what to tell you.
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It's kind of funny how back in the early days of the internet when they felt it necessary to cover it in school curriculum, netiquette was considered important enough that it was one of the first things they'd talk about. Never use your real name, never give your real life info, etc. And we assumed anybody talking shit online was only doing it because they knew they remained anonymous and they would never talk like that if they had to use their real names.

And then facebook showed up and all of this got thrown into the wind.
 
Dirty Carpet Nug dijo:
At some point he's going to realize he was manipulated by a group of troons(fucking lol) into doing their bidding and all of them will walk free while he rots/is executed. That's going to eat at him so badly over the next several decades.
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That's exactly what I'm talking about. They probably haven't even questioned him yet, they are letting him sit there in that cell and have the OH FUCK realization that he's never going to be on the internet again. He's never going to have steak again. He's never going to be with a what he alleges to be a woman again. If he's lucky enough to ever see the light of the sun ever again, it will be while he's chained up and closely monitored. Once the cops working this case have let him simmer in his cell long enough for that to sink in, that's when they're going to start questioning him. We've all seen the first 48, hardcore nigger gangsters end up snitching on everyone. You think some 22 year old gay Mormon boy can hold up to police interrogation? He's going to fold faster than the flash doing sit ups.
Vriljami dijo:
West Hollywood lowering gay and trans flags to half mast for Kirk 😂
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They only have it at half mast because they want to sit on the pole without getting shit on the flags.
 
Dollar Store Crack Whore dijo:
Not very many women have experience with violence, whereas most boys at some point in their lives will get in some kind of fight or violent sport. To alot of those women, violence is an abstract concept that is far removed from them, so it's just pressing the mute button on someone they didn't like. It would change very quickly if someone in their personal sphere was victimized. Social media culture especially has encouraged a vicious, callous selfishness under a feel-good veneer of 'kindness' and 'self-care'. It doesn't just affect women but they're the primary target.

It also should be noted that these women-dominated groups are likely ran by liberal women, who in turn push out and silence conservative ones. All of the women irl that I've spoken to about it, even fairly liberal ones, were in states of horror, whereas the more conservative mothers I've talked with are approaching full blown radicalization.
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Women can get pretty cruel and bloodthirsty, as long as the violence doesn't happen to them.

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Of course they got high off of ass-pats, the same way Kirk's gravedancers were expecting public praise for their posts and videos: 1757937494405.webp
 
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