Unpopular opinions about history - Share your "unpopular" takes on historical events and people (Expecting highly original Hitler posts)

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

I don't hold this as an actual strong stance, but it's an idea that's very unpopular, unfamiliar and I want to share it for everyone to chew.

More slave states would have helped to end slavery faster.


Thomas Jefferson at times restricted slavery expansion, as he did with the Old Northwest, although in practice the enforcement of that was poor and so there was some slavery established. (Nonetheless, I think it still had a clear effect.) However, he prevaricated on this; at times he was more anti-slavery, at times less, as it changed with world events and his life. And likewise his views of how to deal with slavery changed.

The case for more slave states was an idea he was advancing at one point that extending slavery to more of the West would spread the slave population thinner, hence making it easier to enact gradual emancipation in the states that practiced it. At first glance, this sounds retarded, but here's the thing: real life isn't some strategy game where you have, like, fixed population levels in every province. The only thing that matters to determining the TOTAL amount of Blacks is the total amount that already exists. Jefferson recognized that since the Atlantic Slave Trade had been banned (again, his work, again, smugglers circumvented it to an extent) the only population growth Black America could have would be natural fertility, whereas Whites had both fertility and immigration.

This is actually why the South goes from being the larger to the smaller region of the country, why the South retains its original colonial British culture and why slaves go from a notable chunk of the Northern population to Blacks being like cryptids: the North gets tons of mass immigration, the South much less so.

From Jefferson's point of view, allowing the Southern population to bring their slaves into the West may create more pro-slavery Congressmen, sure, but it also spreads that limited Black population thinner to where it's more likely for these states to be able to shift to anti-slavery in the long run.

After first hearing this it really stuck in my mind.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

Star forts are just as fun as castles and other forts.

https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2023/11/photos-star-forts/675936/

 

[The handsome tard]

Star forts are just as fun as castles and other forts.

https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2023/11/photos-star-forts/675936/

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Give me a shuriken fort

 

[autoerotic bus accident]

Helen Keller lost her hearing and vision before she was old enough to remember, so I don’t know how she was able to accomplish so much with Anne Sullivan doing everything for her.

And there you have it: conspiracy theories about Helen Keller generally revolve around knowing nothing about Helen Keller.

Keller's deafblindness was acquired, not congenital. Her IQ was a normal person's IQ. We aren't talking about a spud child. She displayed early signs of intelligence and developed a system of dozens of "home signs" (informal sign language, very common for deaf kids raised in hearing families) years before Anne Sullivan was engaged to educate her.

She interacted with many people in her life and during her education completely independent of Anne Sullivan, and had a rotation of proctors and teachers during her college years who would have noticed if she wasn't actually capable of the things she was doing. She typed her own books and letters on a typewriter and was able to write using one of those grooved boards that used to be in common use for the blind, and she was witnessed doing those things by many people over many decades. She had other assistants after Anne Sullivan's death who would certainly have noticed whether or not she was retarded or faking. She was also lifelong friends with Mark Twain and Alexander Graham Bell (as well as other prominent academics) both of whom would have certainly commented if they found anything about her less than genuine. Mark Twain in particular was not shy at all about calling out bullshit.

Conspiracy theories circulated about her in her own lifetime, too, but the reality is that it's not that unusual for people with multiple sensory impairments but normal cognition to be able to be educated and live relatively normal lives with some assistance. This is one of those issues where the kneejerk reaction is "oh that certainly can't be true," but if you interrogate it further you realize people are just going to be ignorant and contrary sometimes, and some "nothing ever happens" types will make up conspiracy theories about literally anything they can. Because Keller was a leftist there was and is a political motivation behind trying to discredit her, and I'm not saying I agree with her politically, but as a medfag I have no concerns about the plausibility of her achievements. Conspiracy theories about her are inevitably rooted in ignorance about sensory impairments and how people can function with them. (To your point about using her as excuse to clap for tard babies, she was herself a passionate advocate of eugenics because she believed people with severe mental and physical defects couldn't have lives worth living, so hardly acceptable as a modern pillar of disability rights.)

Now, some people on Tiktok take the reverse tack: they acknowledge that Keller's academic achievements could not have been faked successfully for so long, but accuse her of instead faking her deafblindness. But the woman had her eyes removed and replaced with glass eyes relatively early in her life, so that would have been quite the commitment to the bit.

(I'm just putting this out there because while questioning accepted historical narratives is always a good thing, sometimes things just do actually happen. That's my unpopular take.)

 

[pyrinyx]

People might think the atomic bombs the US dropped on Japan might've been too much, until you learn about Unit 731 that operated around the same period. Besides Pearl Harbor, the Japs did have it coming, since they were running their own Auschwitz and we barely knew of it.

I think it is okay to like war generals that are from factions people try to be politically correct by being against. I think Erwen Rommel is a badass, for example. But if you say that out in the open then you get branded a Nazi once people learn what faction he was in.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

And there you have it: conspiracy theories about Helen Keller generally revolve around knowing nothing about Helen Keller.

Zoomers cannot understand the concept of someone rising above adversity.

 

[Wot Zit Too Yah0996]

Giving Hong Kong back to China was a mistake. Generations ago, people from Taiwan and the communist North, went there to achieve some sort of '...Dream',; and people financially and economically benefitted - through being able to actually fucking ALLOWED to work towards the profession you want. But now, minus the retaining the proud Hong Kongese identity, its system seems to be no different than the rest of China.

 

[The handsome tard]

Zoomers cannot understand the concept of someone rising above adversity.

While sometimes they have a point, their generation really seems to have normalized a fatalistic "giving up" stance.

 

[Legalize Asbestos]

It doesn't matter that the holocaust was a hoax because the trajectory and logical endpoint of the Reich was going to be the extermination of the Jews (and quite a few other ethnicities) anyway. It was a staunchly eugenic state and would've remained on a war-footing long enough to pull it off without outcry from the domestic population.

 

[Wot Zit Too Yah0996]

It doesn't matter that the holocaust was a hoax because the trajectory and logical endpoint of the Reich was going to be the extermination of the Jews (and quite a few other ethnicities) anyway. It was a staunchly eugenic state and would've remained on a war-footing long enough to pull it off without outcry from the domestic population.

Along with exterminating/enslaving Blacks, Czechs, Poles, and Russians. Not just the Jews.

 

[Elderly beef taco]

I've recently seen a theory that the evil white people wiped out the bison entirely to try and wipe out the natives.

If this was the case, why didn't they also kill off all flowering bushes, the deer, ect?

I think it was more dumbass Europeans who believed that any noticable animal population was bad and decided to fix that; there's reasons why deer only existed in game reserves in England for so long.

Bison are also nasty, violent animals that would have been a pain to farm back then, especially with docile cattle as an easy alternative.

 

[Wot Zit Too Yah0996]

Charles de Gaulle should've sent some mercenaries, or an extermination squad into Vichy France, in order to clear the snobby, Goebbels-rimming, Göring-whoring, antisemites, out. He could've done it, as ridiculous as it might sound, and it might sound so, to the point of being a Tarantino-esque Inglorious Basterds spinoff, but the vaguely Algerian Frog was hailed as a great political leader, and a great war hero, after WW1, and during, and even AFTER WW2.

America buying Alaska from Russia was a waste of time and money (OF COURSE!). It'd make more sense for Alaska to be its own, quasi-independent entity, split into four: 1.) Russia; 2.) USA; 3.) UK, and 4.) Canada. But, saying that, if Vermont, and Texas, in the end, ended up part of the US seemingly permanently, then the buying it off the Russians thing still might've happened, just a lot later, so... I dunno.

Oliver Cromwell wasn't nearly as prejudiced as historians like to say. His son, however... what a tosser. And a loser, with none of his father's backbone, resolve, or occasional respect for other religions... just don't say, out loud, around him that you don't believe in anything.
He was still a weird one, though, as, you know, the Witchfinder General was under his employ. The Witchfinder could've, for all we know, bent the truth and intentions of his boss's orders to fit his own agenda. The Vincent Price movie very likely wasn't a complete exaggeration, actually...

Yuri Gagarin was the greatest astronaut to ever live. The Fury, from Snake Eater, was based on him. I'm convinced of it.

Seriously, to me, he will never be topped. Moon Landings. Big fuckin' hoohah... Australopithecus saw the moon for 4 million years, they didn't give a fuck. Plus, it's a safer journey than actually going above Earth's atmosphere, and staying in space, for a long while. I'll stop rambling about that point now.

 

[The Evil Midnight Bomber]

People might think the atomic bombs the US dropped on Japan might've been too much, until you learn about Unit 731 that operated around the same period. Besides Pearl Harbor, the Japs did have it coming, since they were running their own Auschwitz and we barely knew of it.

I think it is okay to like war generals that are from factions people try to be politically correct by being against. I think Erwen Rommel is a badass, for example. But if you say that out in the open then you get branded a Nazi once people learn what faction he was in.

Unit 731 was worse in my opinion because all of their experiments were carried out under direct orders and supervision of IJA general officers while Mengele did his experiments out of his own volition.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

The more I have learned about ancient Christianity here the more I have come to view it that Christianity is - as its substance is derived from Aristotle and Neoplatonism - the real EVROPEAN religion. And European in a way that is utterly different from Semitic Judaism. You obviously can't remove it from its ultimate Hebrew origins, but to me it is Greek and forms a continuity with Greco-Roman civilization.

 

[ShahOfIran1979]

America buying Alaska from Russia was a waste of time and money (OF COURSE!). It'd make more sense for Alaska to be its own, quasi-independent entity, split into four: 1.) Russia; 2.) USA; 3.) UK, and 4.) Canada. But, saying that, if Vermont, and Texas, in the end, ended up part of the US seemingly permanently, then the buying it off the Russians thing still might've happened, just a lot later, so... I dunno.

How so? It is is one of the most resource rich, as well as the most strategically important US state. I'm assuming that this is referencing the Seward's Folly myth, despite the fact that the vast majority of US newspapers were positive or neutral towards the purchase.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

How so? It is is one of the most resource rich, as well as the most strategically important US state. I'm assuming that this is referencing the Seward's Folly myth, despite the fact that the vast majority of US newspapers were positive or neutral towards the purchase.

Imagine being such a cuck (@Wot Zit Too Yah0996) that painting the map American blue doesn't register as the inevitable holy mission that it is.

 

[Wot Zit Too Yah0996]

Imagine being such a cuck (@Wot Zit Too Yah0996) that painting the map American blue doesn't register as the inevitable holy mission that it is.

Ah, let the Canucks have it. Same with Oregon. *Sticks out tongue*

But, anyway, though, moving on, and this is gonna sound bizarre, but both building, *and* knocking down the Berlin Wall were mistakes.

The UK was in no position to do otherwise.

Honestly, I'm foggy as to why. Modern history isn't really my thing.

 

[Ashkenazi Porn Actress]

Giving Hong Kong back to China was a mistake.

The UK was in no position to do otherwise.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

Axes and bayonets, not swords, are real men’s weapons. Axes are working tools that are used by free men, whether Viking raiders or tomahawks on the frontier. Bayonets are spears (goat melee weapon) for your rifle.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

How justified Jim Crow/apartheid is depends on how large the Black/otherwise minority population is. The South is like one third and was working with a 100% Christianized, Westernized and reasonably literate population to the point that even with Black bloc voting it could survive. Getting used to multiracial democracy was a necessary step to integrating them in and removing an existential threat.

On the other hand, in a 90% Black country like the African frontlines, still mostly Africanized, there’s no way that was ever going to be anything but a shitshow. The moment it becomes equal the Whites lose all protection and then the country cannibslizes itself.

This is why I can oppose Jim Crow (in retrospect) but support apartheid and Rhodesian UDI.

If you look up stats on Black wellbeing, objective and subjective measurements, they’re happiest in cities, mostly Southern, where they’re a large minority. Large enough to feel socially well-adjusted, safe and participate, not so large as to run the place into the ground through their retarded commitment to socialist bloc voting.