Conservatism is just liberalism in decline, and Anti-immigration is artificial division.

[Anarchocaca]

Conservatism is really just liberal principles from the day before. Traditionalism at least in the US, is the same thing. It’s just boomers holding onto Nostalgia for a outdated and slower time, or people who never even lived during the time romanticizing it, usually because they don’t feel meaning in our time.

But instead of realizing that consumer culture, and capitalism has rid people of meaning, of having a family, of not being oppressed.
They blame it on the very same people being exploited, you see it, when immigrants from third world nations are brought to the US for cheap jobs, instead of blaming the CEOs for exploiting these people, they blame it on the desperate people being exploited, neglecting the very fact that they are forced to move to these countries, because both in their native, and current nations, they have and are being exploited. Only real difference is that in their natives countries, because of multinational corporations overthrowing and murdering activists and revolutionaries, and it’s not much better in the west, they have to worry about White Nationalists, Trump, racist police, ICE, the bourgeois, and a lot of racist nepobabies.

So what I find with all these things is that nothing changes, when a Republican is elected, or a democrat, it always stays the same. The US is a two party system, and both of those parties are capitalistic, extremely capitalistic, both have the same overlords, and both have nearly the same foreign policy as we have seen. And after all that, you might ask yourself “what really does bring change in society”, and the answer is class dynamics, and economics. The US is a capitalist system, what that really means is that whatever produces the most capital is what gains power, not religion, identity politics, capital.
Capital is the only driving force in our society for anything, and if you truly want social change, you gotta change how capital is distributed.

TLDR: Conservatism is just nostalgia for something that wasn’t any better, immigrants are just a scapegoat for problems created by corporations. Capital has taken away meaning in life, and exploits all. Democrats and Republicans are two sides of the same coin, If you truly want change you need to change how we share capital.

 

[COME ON OUT YOU RAPIST]

The term you are looking for is Overton window. This phenomenon is not unique to capitalist societies. Communism will forever be gay and racism is correct.

 

[Sexy Senior Citizen]

OP is seething because he's brown.

 

[Core Theorist]

"yeah man modern day slavery which enables the importation of innumerable vermin from lesser cultures to erode our already-crumbling values, infrastructure, and national economic and cultural security, hating it is just artificial division bro. It's the corporation's fault dog, those poor little immigrants didn't do nuffin'."

It's simple to hate the rich, but are you brave enough to hate their poor serfs as well? You should be.
I'm not gonna shack up with filthy shitskins to own the jews. They can all go to hell.

EDIT: typos.

 

[Idiotron]

No.
Anti-immigration, especially illegal immigration, is actually unity but on a national level so it's bad to the globo people.

 

[Mr. Racewar1488]

Conservatism is really just liberal principles from the day before.

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[Butterschmalz]

 

[Anarchocaca]

"yeah man modern day slavery which enables the importation of innumerable vermin from lesser cultures to erode our already-crumbling values, infrastructure, and national economic and cultural security, hating it is just artificial division bro. It's the corporation's fault dog, those poor little immigrants didn't do nuffin'."

It's simple to hate the rich, but are you brave enough to hate their poor serfs as well? You should be.
I'm not gonna shack up with filthy shitskins to own the jews. They can all go to hell.

EDIT: typos.

A working class divided by social constructs created by the rich themselves to divide the working class will never get anything done, but be enslaved.

As almost every single culture that has ever existed those “values” will become meaningless in 100 years, the memories of our “culture” (again since consumerism has existed, “culture” is only a product used to sell and buy) now will only exist to further divide us in the future, between conservatism and liberalism. But what will stay constant, is our decay of everything, and class struggle.

 

[libRT]

The US is a two party system, and both of those parties are capitalistic, extremely capitalistic,

They are extremely socialist, making government bigger is the opposite of capitalism. If you don't like the foreign exploitation of labour, practice what you preach, give up your phone, computer and car since they all contain REM from nigger mines. What about the exploitative immigrants? The ones that have committed heinous crimes in their own country and are exploiting the immigration system to effectively start with a clean slate, at least until they rape over here. Or the gimmigrants, the ones that come over and expect a free life and sit on welfare?

 

[Nice Stick]

We don't want the slaves freed, we want them gone.

 

[YellowIsACoolColor]

A working class divided by social constructs created by the rich themselves to divide the working class will never get anything done, but be enslaved.

As almost every single culture that has ever existed those “values” will become meaningless in 100 years, the memories of our “culture” (again since consumerism has existed, “culture” is only a product used to sell and buy) now will only exist to further divide us in the future, between conservatism and liberalism. But what will stay constant, is our decay of everything, and class struggle.

"Actually the rich are forcing immigrants to shit in the streets and scam people and traffick children bro"

 

[monk]

You're conflating neoliberalism, central banker created pyramid scheme neo-feudalism and neo-slavery, cuckservatism, and a globalist banking and military dictatorship with capitalism. Capitalism just means that things have value and they can be exchanged for other things that have value. It has existed since apes began to think and ascribe value to things. It's not the root of all evil, it's a tool. A tool can be used to do good or evil, depending on what the person doing it wants to do. The evil or good is what that person does, not the tool with which he does it. Without capital we'd still be apes living in caves or trees flinging shit at each other. Even cavemen knew capital.
You being stripped of your freedom and enslaved to a system that forces you to be under a lifelong debt contract to slave-owners is not capitalism. It's everything I listed above, but it is using the capital that it has seized to enforce its ownership of you. You can choose to exit the system any day that you want, but the moment you start farming your own land and growing your own food and producing your own items and god forbid using your own currency, you'll be "liberated" by "democracy" aka bullets, bombs and rockets. This is the reason you have no other options: they have seized all natural resources which you need to live, even the land that you "own" (but in reality just rent from them), and the moment you do something that threatens their power, those resources will be taken away.
The things that you do don't even need to be a direct threat or attack to them. Just the example that you set by being truly independent is a threat, because other people will see you and maybe join you, so their slavery system will lose slaves, so it will collapse, and the aristocrats might become regular people and have to *gasp* work for their food and shelter.

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

I just can't wait to see Kevin from Milwaukee work a 8-10 factory shift for minimum wage +20% for at least a year and manage to out-manufacture Lao from Thailand who worked 7-12 for minimum wage -20% and so for 5 years.

 

[COME ON OUT YOU RAPIST]

A working class divided by social constructs created by the rich themselves to divide the working class will never get anything done, but be enslaved.

This doesn't mean anything. Wealthy people cross the threshold from poor to rich in the United States more than they ever have at any other point in human history. I am not talking about the temporarily-embarrassed millionaire kind of rich, I'm talking about people who start a business or try something and go from lower-middle class to upper-middle class. That's not some tiny leap, and it seems to only happen in the States.

 

[Breadbassket]

How does any form of thought where the wealthy are to blame like this manage to endure in an age where we see countries constantly effected by mass immigration and a clash of incompatible cultures, values and beliefs. Sure, to an extent short-sighted fools wanting to import cheap labor is an issue but it's just one part of a wider problem. Is the "class consciousness" being advocated for even possible in a non-homogeneous population or is it just utopian idealism?

 

[Bloodfeast Island Man]

I thought you were suppose to be an adult to have an account and post here.

 

[Calandrino]

A working class divided by social constructs created by the rich themselves to divide the working class will never get anything done, but be enslaved.

Yeah we can't allow the Jews to divide us like that. I blame them for creating all these scapegoats. They must be secreting plotting to invent all of these conspiracy theories, then using their control of the government and media to spread them.

 

[Anarchocaca]

They are extremely socialist, making government bigger is the opposite of capitalism. If you don't like the foreign exploitation of labour, practice what you preach, give up your phone, computer and car since they all contain REM from nigger mines. What about the exploitative immigrants? The ones that have committed heinous crimes in their own country and are exploiting the immigration system to effectively start with a clean slate, at least until they rape over here. Or the gimmigrants, the ones that come over and expect a free life and sit on welfare?

1. Socialism is the transitional phase to communism, to my knowledge the US isn’t a Marxist state and you clearly don’t have a understanding of basic economics 2. Again this is retarded, you stole the production of those people and now to survive in our society, you are forced to use products.
you have to own a car because of how capitalism has designed society, you need a phone to get a job and maintain it, and you need a job to get food. again your making things that are necessary for human survival because of how capitalism has shitted up life look like they aren’t necessary, WHEN THEY ARE BECAUSE OF CAPITALISM!

 

[XL xQgg?QcQCaTYDMjqoDnYpG]

shit thread tbh

capitalism has rid people of meaning, of having a family, of not being oppressed

"capitalism" outside of a free society is a nonsense word. What you're calling "capitalism" is just corporatism + state privilege

people being exploited

there's only two means to wealth, the economic (production, exchange) or the political (coercion, seizure), and the state initializes the second

whatever produces the most capital

capital is accumulated production goods, created by choice and effort. Any meaninglessness you find comes from coercion breaking the link between actions and outcomes/consequences

immigrants from third world nations

are not the root problem, and neither are "the rich". Physically remove the state's subsidies, bans, and redistribution, and both scapegoats are there no longer

A working class divided by social constructs

The real divide is voluntary order vs institutionalized predation

 

[monk]

1. Socialism is the transitional phase to communism, to my knowledge the US isn’t a Marxist state and you clearly don’t have a understanding of basic economics 2. Again this is retarded, you stole the production of those people and now to survive in our society, you are forced to use products.
you have to own a car because of how capitalism has designed society, you need a phone to get a job and maintain it, and you need a job to get food. again your making things that are necessary for human survival because of how capitalism has shitted up life look like they aren’t necessary, WHEN THEY ARE BECAUSE OF CAPITALISM!

socialism is a transitional state to banker feudal dictatorship and bourgeoise slave-ownership. the "socialist party" is a group of bourgeoise thieves that hate the current people in power and want to be in power themselves. They're not on the worker's side, they're just using paroles to brainwash the workers into giving them power. When they have the power, they're taking it and running, the worker won't see any of it.
you have to own a car because some people decided to design streets and society that way, not because of capitalism, you need to have a phone because of social pressure and this being expected of you, not because of capitalism, you don't need to live in this society, you don't need to conform to its requirements, but then if you exit it, don't expect to enjoy the products that it produces, you have to produce your own products from scratch because they use these products to lure and addict you into staying in the society so they sure as hell aren't going to give them away from free and lose the main point of their existence.

are not the root problem, and neither are "the rich". Physically remove the state's subsidies, bans, and redistribution, and both scapegoats are there no longer

except that even with no state, if there's anarchy, the land you occupy is still a limited resource, and if immigrants come to live on your land, you have do decide what to do with them, either give some of your land to them, and thus becoming a cuck and loser, and potentially losing your ability to survive in the future if these immigrants take all the land and resources away from you, or you must get rid of them, either force them to go back to where they came from or by other means. If you just let them live on your land, you lose that land and your children lose that land too.
The state can be a force of good in this case, if the state's systems are comprised of individuals who want to keep their land their own and not give it away to foreigners, the state will protect the land of individual land owners and protect its borders. The problem is when the state's systems are infiltrated by traitors or thieves, that want to steal land that doesn't belong to them, and use the state's power to steal it from land owners. These thieves will use immigrants to facilitate their theft.