Nerddom Annoyances and Stupidity

you can also press A to jump. took me hours to figure out man I thought my game was broken or something.
I was going to make you pay triple thread tax but... you made me laugh. Debt paid.

Altho if you have examples of nerd double standards, post them anyway.

It's OK when Nintendo does it.
That right there is what 100% is the reason why I fucking hate Nintendrones so god damn much. Nintendo can fuck customers in ten different ways and you try to point out how this affects consumer rights, they'll dog pile on you to defend their perfect multi-billionaire company. Whats worse is learning that Nintendo doesn't even treat their japanese customers any better too.

Yes, this has to be the most omnipresent nerd double standard.

Not a Nintendo game = "Recycling bosses is lazy. I don't care that this game only does it once."
Is a Nintendo game = "I have absolutely no problem with Mario 3D land making you fight the same boss like five million times!"

The sad part is that I often see these people defend this by saying "at least Nintendo doesn't do the shit other AAA gaming companies do, and they care about games first and foremost!" Except that's absolute bullshit.

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So here's one double-standard I remembered that I felt like ranting about:

I said this one in another thread, but whenever I'm talking about eighties cartoons and someone says they suck because they're all 30-minute toy commercials. I once did a long post on why that argument is retarded and wrong, but with regards to "nerd double standards" the big one I notice is that being a "toy commercial" is only bad if its from the eighties and its American. If its not American, and from any other decade, its fine.

What especially galls me about this double-standard is that eighties cartoons were actually way less bad about toy shilling than other cartoons, or any given anime. The 2003 He-Man didn't go more than two episodes before introducing a variant version of He-Man and Skeletor. Any given mecha anime will introduce tons of upgrades to the mech so collectors will have to buy the variants. It's almost like, the more blatantly you shill the toy, the less people are going to complain about it. Meanwhile the more you try to be more than just a blatant toy commercial, the more people will just see you as one.

I have my theories as to why this double-standard occurs. Essentially, its a mix of favoritism, internalized beliefs that people never actually thought about, mental associations nobody but me ever thought to question, Tootsie Pops being garbage, and good old "it's what everyone else says so I will believe it without question." Nerds have always had a problem of just adopting other people's opinions as their own.

Whew! That was so long... but maybe we'll talk about this and I can finally hear the end of all the MLP vs Kirby/Pokemon issue!
 
everyone post your favorite pony. mine is Rainbow Dash, who is also my wife.
I said in another thread that I sometimes feel like the only person who liked Applejack.

Speaking of which.... just saying, there's already an MLP thread.

Normally I would try to think of an example of a nerd double standard to re-rail the topic but my brain is half-asleep right now.

I know I've seen, fairly recently:

.... A double-standard related to anime.
..... one related to video games (and I wanna say RPGs specifically but I'm not sure)
..... and one related to superhero comics?

Again, hopefully I'll remember what I'm talking about when I wake up.
 
Isn't it interesting that for some reason MLP is cringe, but for some reason Kirby and Pokemon are not? Why?
For years, MLP fans had that autism and faggotry about them where they constantly have to justify themselves and signal-boost that it's alright for them as adults to enjoy this children's media, in fact they're proud of it, because this wholesome twee kids' cartoon is actually so much more mature than whatever gritty depressing adultslop we normies are consuming, don't you know?

I've seen Kirby and Pokemon fans that are like this, but it's not such a core part of the fandom identity as it was for MLP when FiM was running.
 
For years, MLP fans had that autism and faggotry about them where they constantly have to justify themselves and signal-boost that it's alright for them as adults to enjoy this children's media, in fact they're proud of it, because this wholesome twee kids' cartoon is actually so much more mature than whatever gritty depressing adultslop we normies are consuming, don't you know?
Initially there was some novelty to an adult fandom around a children's show, and there was some entertaining OC that came out of it. It was a fad. But the charm wore off within a year or two and all the well adjusted people quickly moved on to the next fad. The bronies we know today are what was left.
.... A double-standard related to anime.
I will play devil's advocate and say that a good portion of anime is intended for a teenage audience and the sex appeal involving high school age girls is meant for boys of a similar age, so it could be argued that a good portion of weebs are hypocrites for looking down on bronies while they hold their waifu contests addressing which fictional minor they find the hottest.
 
OP has been edited to hide the one MLP example. From now on, no MLP-related examples or discussion. There's already a recent-ish MLP thread. Go there if you wanna sperg about Ponies.

(I understand your example, just my original version of this post responded to you so I had to keep it in somehow. Hope that makes sense).

When it comes to anime particularly, there are a few I can bring up.

To start with a repeat from page one:

"Anime good. Cartoons bad." I think this used to be more common in the 90s and 2000s. Like I even recall people who would refer to their favorite cartoons as "American Anime."

No, they weren't making a clever pun... they were trying to say "this cartoon is as good as anime." Which falls apart the minute you experience an anime that sucks, or a cartoon that's better than its nearest anime equivalent.

This leads to another one that may be dead now:

"Pokemon is not a real anime." This is another 2000s-ism.

To be honest I kinda understand this one. Okay, so what happened is there were a lot of anime old guards (and yes, I was one of them) who got into anime with shows like Ranma, Blackjack, Bubblegum Crisis, Iria Zeiram the Animation etc... stuff that was mindblowing in a "I didn't know cartoons could do this!" way....

Then Pokemon came out and it was many people's gateway drug. But it also led to a lot of people who tried out Pokemon, assumed all anime were just like it, and then wouldn't even bother with the "real" anime.

And here's a last one for some Rule of Three magic:

"Japan is so weird!" Then the person presents examples of Japanese media (usually blatantly comedies) that are just odd. I recall the youtube channel Weird Video Games did this a lot.

The double-standard is that they seem blind to the weird things in home-grown media. Like, imagine finding someone who had never heard of Bugs Bunny, and showing him some of the Tex Avery era cartoons. He'd find those to be a fever dream. They only make sense to us because we grew up with them. But for some reason a lot of people have this mental cut-off switch when it comes to Japanese media where they assume its just weird, alien, and inexplicable when really its just an example of "we don't have all the context."

(And to be completely honest, sometimes having the context makes it not as fun. I recall Stop Skeletons From Fighting making this exact point about the video game Monster Party--the game as-is, is unbridled insanity and its awesome. But the prototype makes a lot of the humor make more sense, which unfortunately makes it less funny).
 
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Like I even recall people who would refer to their favorite cartoons as "American Anime."
I remember the shitstorms of people online asking whether or not ATLA counted as an anime. If I remember correctly, the Japs were fine with calling it anime, while weebs were autistic about labeling it a cartoon. Which I think at that point it's not even a Champagne v. Sparkling Wine situation, it's more of labelling something just to be different.

TAX:
1. The insessent need to be seen. This ranges from things considered low art or "slop" to be seen as something smarter/deeper/higher art than it is (I've seen this with albums written based on novels, shows/games having storytelling tropes that hit the right emotional beats, a character saying something that sounds deep but is only a half baked philosophy) to quite literally wanting to be seen by their predecessors and institutions (people clamoring for Rush to be in the RnRHOF is an example. Their music doesn't diminish or reach a higher quality status just because they have their name in a building in Cleveland).

2. The irrational hatred of normie games. I like sports games and I like sports. The quality of them have gone dramatically, yet for the longest time, you could find maybe 2 people talking about it online. The turbonormies are getting EA/2kbux fine with everything. Mention it to other gamers/nerdier types, and you'll get "well you can at least go and play outside" (despite the fact I just want to simulate a full team game). Do these types just watch Revenge of the Nerds and treat it as gospel?

3. How nerd/geek fandoms treat ships. Not a shipper, but any discourse on anything nerdy nowadays has shipping or porn, and both involve mentally ill people projecting fantasies onto characters they didn't create and then call you things for being fine with the creator 's decisions.
 
If I remember correctly, the Japs were fine with calling it anime, while weebs were autistic about labeling it a cartoon.
To me this kinda makes sense, as its just an example of how the same word means different things across the pond. In Japan, "anime" is just their word for "cartoons," but for us it refers to a specific medium/genre (is anime a medium or a genre?) and so people saying ATLA isn't an anime are just being a bit pedantic.

Going with the whole Pokemon thing I mentioned, I imagine there might also be an element of "I don't want something that's not really from Japan to be someone's first impression of what constitutes 'anime'."

These days, I think that particular ship has sailed. It's gotten wet, and is completely useless now.

Thread Tax

Kinda similar to one thing you said, the whole disdain for "casual" games.

Like, a lot of classic vidya would, today, be called "casual"--Pac-Man for example, or Breakout, or Berzerk. And I mean, yeah, I get that back then gaming was in its infancy.

Where I have a problem sometimes is that a "hardcore" game is often just very obtuse or requires a ten-month correspondence course to understand. Meanwhile I can turn on Candy Crush and be addicted for hours, and I see nothing wrong with that.

This is kinda related but I often feel like gaming today is very "dichotomy-brained." I once said I wished more modern games were like the original Dragon Warrior, and one of the things I brought up was that its structure is more a vague suggestion rather than enforced through some sort of story.

People took that as meaning I like open world games. Which I actually don't. I like some structure but with wiggle-room. Explain that to most gamers tho and their brains just 404. To many, you're either Final Fantasy or you're Skyrim, no inbetweens.

I kinda wanted to talk about Challenge Autism but my brain needs time to cook on that one, and I'm not sure if it actually constitutes a double-standard or just something I find annoying.
 
This is kinda related but I often feel like gaming today is very "dichotomy-brained."
I feel as though that's been nerds in general forever, it's just so dominant in gamers nowadays because almost everyone games in some capacity plus social media.
Where I have a problem sometimes is that a "hardcore" game is often just very obtuse or requires a ten-month correspondence course to understand. Meanwhile I can turn on Candy Crush and be addicted for hours, and I see nothing wrong with that.
Exactly. Sometimes you need a game that, after a shitty double digit day at work, you can pop on, not use your brain too much, and relieve stress.
 
This is a sister to my "Nerd Double Standards" topic. Basically: shoot the shit about things nerds say or do that annoy you.

Please try not to politisperg. I won't outlaw it (at the moment) but we already have tons of topics that are just people circlejerking about how they hate wokeness, black people, trans people etc. and we really don't need another one. Please try to think outside the box.

Anyway, some personal examples:

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One of my biggest ones takes one of two forms (and often both at the same time):
FORM ONE - They Can't See Differences Because of Superficial Similarities
FORM TWO - They Can't See Similarities Because of Superficial Differences


Here's an example:

A work of fiction where one of the recurring themes is discrimination. The stand-in for minorities is a group who are feared in part because they have powers that normal humans don't have. There are those among the minority who want to just wipe out humans, but the heroes hope for eventual peace.

Quick: am I describing Astro Boy or X-Men? Because guess what: that summary works for both.

But this tends to confuse certain people. Why? because "robots aren't the same thing as mutants." It's like because they don't have the same dictionary definition, then they can't fulfil a similar purpose. These people would be astonished to learn that I've used a screwdriver as a chisel, or that I've used a rock to jam a door.

Again though, it works the other way. I've seen people insist that two completely un-similar things are in fact very much alike... because of some minor, superficial similarity that doesn't really matter.

For example: Someone once insisted to me that Wall-E and Short Circuit were similar movies "because the robots look kind of similar." Even though the plots, themes, settings etc. were entirely different. I even once had someone here on the Farms suggest that Detective Conan and Inspector Gadget were similar shows because "they both have kid detectives."

If I ran the world, this would be something I test people on... and anyone who gets hung up on superficial similarities/differences and demonstrates no ability to see beyond that would go into the disintegrator unit because they're retarded.

Fans who don't actually know anything about the thing they're supposedly a fan of.
I'm sure we've all seen this, you're discussing a book or movie or whatever... and then someone says something that is just completely at odds with everything you know about the work and/or its author.

I used to see this a lot in the 2000s with the Final Fantasy fandom, who were absolutely convinced that Final Fantasy VII and VIII allowing a large amount of customization around your party members was some new element to that game. I even recall a usenet post at the time calling FF fans out on this, because it turns out, character customization is actually common in the series.

The same document also talked about
Fans of a Series/Company/Whatever Being Utterly Ignorant of Anything Not Part of that Series/Made By The Same Company/Whatever
I think nowadays we might call this the "Nintoddler" issue--if Nintendo hasn't done it, then its never been done. A variation is "it hasn't been done in a major AAA title made in the last five years, so it doesn't exist."

Annoying Persistent Fan Assumptions and Presumptions
So here's a story from 2010.

I was friends with some people who happened to be part of that wholy Brony thing (please don't force me to ban Brony examples like I did in a previous topic). A common fanfic trend was "human in equestria" or "human adopts a pony."

I recall thinking that was weird. I mean, on Equestria the ponies are the dominant species, humans would effectively be aliens. Why would the pony ever submit to being the human's pet? I mean, put that scenario in reverse: if a pony came to Earth, would you ever describe yourself as the Pony's pet?

So I suggested it would make more sense for the Pony to adopt the Human.

.... And people freaked the fuck out. Why? Well, the argument I got was "that's slavery!"

Ummm.... why? I pointed out that even in the show, Twilight Sparkle owns a dragon.

"Well yeah, but she's not mean to him!"

Okay... and? Nobody said the ponies would be mean to their humans, either.

Nevertheless, Bronies would just not accept "humans as pets."

I quickly cottoned what was really going on, to be honest: people were incapable of ever imagining a scenario where humans weren't the top of the chain. If there was a planet of ponies, the ponies were our pets, even though that makes no fucking sense. How this happened in the same fandom that thinks humans are evil is anybody's guess.

Bronydom kinda makes me scared what will happen if there's ever a first contact scenario IRL, if this is how they see things.

Anything you want to rant about?
 
Great thread fam; watching this. A few in little detail:
  • MUH METRIC SYSTEM
  • Interpreting the Butterfly Effect to mean that you can never predict anything unless they agree with you, then it's a pretty simple matter, and, really, you're just retarded for having a different opinion.
  • "Media Literacy" - I watch so much shit that I can see the intellectual incest happening between the incompetent writers, and that makes me better than you.
  • Taking bold positions, then deferring to experts when it's time to defend them.
  • Soyjakking about apocalyptic predictions
  • Being a part of the "Clippy Movement", which is impotent and cringe despite hating at least vaguely the right people for once.
  • Using "penultimate" to mean "ultimate" (more syllables more POWER!)
  • Saying stupid shit like "by far one of the best of all time" - To be "one of" a group of things suggests that it has close neighbors on the scale we're talking about, but "by far" suggests that nothing is close. It's such a Youtuberism.
  • Actually enjoying pretentious "thought"piece video essays about inane shit that could easily be a quarter of the length.
  • Flying with bee wings is IMPOSSIBLE, but bees just DON'T CARE, and that's AWESOME!
  • Calling everything "broken" to mean good.
Mine are very Youtube-oriented because I watch a lot of Youtube, but midwits are nauseating, and they're everywhere. I hope others participate in this thread.
 
Mine are very Youtube-oriented because I watch a lot of Youtube, but midwits are nauseating, and they're everywhere. I hope others participate in this thread.
I feel like you're talking more about online midwits and politispergs than about nerds--IE people who are into nerd media like comics and cartoons and shit.

I guess I just assumed "nerd" meant the same thing to everyone and should've made this more clear.

EDIT: I will say tho... now I'm kinda sad. Like, I almost miss the days when some retard not being able to see how a Lupin the Third movie is similar to an Indiana Jones adventure because "Lupin is not an archeologist" (literal argument I had once) was the kind of thing I got into fights about. Today? Its almost exclusively political shit. And its worse for most Kiwis, who basically act like they've never had any discussion or thought process that wasn't political (no, despite what the internet says, not everything is political).
 
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I hate the “well, ackchually” shit nerds do and a lot of time, they’re actually agreeing with you. Except most of the time it’s them flexing their knowledge or they agree with 99% of your point and have to sperg out over that 1%. However, the 1% they disagree with is wrong but you don’t want to make it a sperg slapfight so you just let it go.
 
Mine are very Youtube-oriented because I watch a lot of Youtube, but midwits are nauseating, and they're everywhere.
God, don't get me started on the stupidity of Youtubers. It's incredible how many self-styled "writers" have such a tenuous grasp on their native language.

And if one more fucking video starts out with "the definition of insanity", I'm going to strangle somebody.
 
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