Christian theology thread for Christians - Deus homo factus est naturam erante, mundus renovatus est a Christo regnante

[Divine Power]

 

[Preacher ✝]

The Wisdom of Bl. Fulton Sheen

Day 204 - Self-discipline brings back to us the excitement of our childhood, when our pleasures were rationed-when we got our dessert at the end of the meal and never at the start.

 

[Nice Stick]

Romans 16 That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.

Leviticus 3 2 And he shall lay his hand upon the head of his offering, and kill it at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation: and Aaron's sons the priests shall sprinkle the blood upon the altar round about.

 

[Candlelight Desolation]

I remember in one Chick tract, there is some preaching about Calvinism but I can't recommend if it was specifically OSAS or Perseverance of the Saints or something like that or just Calvinism more broadly. I think it included a drawing of Charles Surgeon and maybe John Calvin listed as heros or defenders of the faith.

This is the first one I thought of – Why No Revival? - Specifically, the panel below:

 

[GenderCop]

What's your favorite hymn? Mine is "In the Garden of Eden" by I. Ron Butterfly.

Pange lingua gloriosi corporis mysterium
​

usually just called "Pange Lingua" for short.

wikipedia:
"Pange lingua gloriosi corporis mysterium" (Ecclesiastical Latin: [ˈpandʒe ˈliŋɡwa ɡloriˈosi ˈkorporis miˈsteri.um]) is a Medieval Latin hymn attributed to Saint Thomas Aquinas (1225–1274) for the Feast of Corpus Christi.
It is also sung on Maundy Thursday during the procession from the church to the place where the Blessed Sacrament is kept until Good Friday. The last two stanzas (called, separately, Tantum ergo) are sung at Benediction of the Blessed Sacrament. The hymn expresses the doctrine that the bread and wine are changed into the body and blood of Christ during the celebration of the Eucharist.

It is often sung in English as the hymn "Of the Glorious Body Telling" to the same tune as the Latin.

 

[Preacher ✝]

The Wisdom of Bl. Fulton Sheen

Day 205 - We must leave the world to help the world. That life is most effectively lived which every now and then withdraws from the scene of action to contemplation, where one learns the terrible defeat and futility which comes from excessive absorption in detail and action.

 

[Divine Power]

 

[Froggy Fresh Sextape]

This is the first one I thought of – Why No Revival? - Specifically, the panel below:

You can check the books section on his site. Dude was incredibly KJV-onlyist.

I did notice he has one called The Next Step which was meant to be read after you were saved after reading a Chick tract, so I read through it since it might give some clue about his soteriological views.

Chick says you'll constantly be under attack from Satan when you're a new Christian and this can make you doubt your salvation. Reading the KJV every day, of course, is your spiritual armor. There is no mention of being able to lose your salvation.

Chick also says you should live an upstanding moral life after conversion. This is accompanied by a comic where this guy (who looks like a hilarious Jewish caricature) is wondering if he should ask his Christian co-worker about Jesus, but then sees his co-worker swiping some paperclips from the office and thinks he is a hypocrite DUN DUN DUN the perfidious Jew wasn't converted. Again, no mention of losing your salvation.

So yes I'd say Chick is OSAS.

 

[Candlelight Desolation]

I did notice he has one called The Next Step which was meant to be read after you were saved after reading a Chick tract, so I read through it since it might give some clue about his soteriological views.

Chick says you'll constantly be under attack from Satan when you're a new Christian and this can make you doubt your salvation. Reading the KJV every day, of course, is your spiritual armor. There is no mention of being able to lose your salvation.

Chick also says you should live an upstanding moral life after conversion. This is accompanied by a comic where this guy (who looks like a hilarious Jewish caricature) is wondering if he should ask his Christian co-worker about Jesus, but then sees his co-worker swiping some paperclips from the office and thinks he is a hypocrite DUN DUN DUN the perfidious Jew wasn't converted. Again, no mention of losing your salvation.

So yes I'd say Chick is OSAS.

I've read that booklet as well, and there are some bits in here I disagree with in your write-up to some degree:

• I've been under attack as well, it was fairly fierce after I came back to Christ after being backslidden for eight years. - The attacks came in the form of severe doubts along with intrusive obscene and blasphemous thoughts, which the booklet gets right. I've had physical issues as well which I think were attacks, and I've seen and heard them in others, though notably I haven't seen them in people who are unsaved/still backslidden. Makes sense, since Satan doesn't attack someone he already has.
• The paperclip scene has to do with the guy noticing the paperclips were left there and he'd return them to his coworker the following day as I recall. The other guy in the office mistakes him for a thief, and the point of it is that your behavior may influence others whether they will accept Christ or not, since I've heard and seen a lot of people who were driven away from Christianity because of the hypocrisy they've seen from Christians.
• It makes sense to read scripture daily; how would you know what is and is not morally acceptable in Christianity if you don't read it? It makes sense that Satan would want to keep Christians away from the Bible - the Lord's people perish for lack of knowledge. "I didn't know it was a sin" is not an excuse. - Living a moral life as you say is going to be a work in progress as you grow in Christ as your walk with Him continues.

From what I've seen in Chick's other work, specifically a tract called Four Angels?, it is a retelling of the parable of the sower, and three of the four people focused on in the tract have their angel leave when they fall away. I have never ever seen anything in any of Jack Chick's body of work which describes detailed theological discussions about Arminian (Conditional Security) vs. Calvinist (OSAS). I don't doubt God used Jack Chick in a mighty way to get the Gospel to millions of people, and I feel like it has spiritually resonated with me about Chick being in Heaven. I've thought about purchasing a copy of the biography on him Chick Publications put out, entitled You Don't Know Jack to do additional research.

 

[Cassius Crayfish]

This is why the Old Testament in PARTICULAR needs to be read carefully. It has wisdom but when it comes to doctrine its not so good.

I fail to see how viewing the old testament as apocrypha is some sort of revelation. The old testament as Apocrypha has been such since before the Council of Nicaea

Subsequent church councils have since confirmed its Apocryphal status. As guidance only and not doctrinal. Adopting old testament teachings as doctrine is heretical and in contravention of the guiding fundamental teachings of Christianity.

Any church that uses the old testament as a guiding principle sets itself outside the universal church and is heresy

What on earth are you on about, Satan? The "doctrine" of the OT is not removed or separate to the NT. It is equally the inspired and preserved Word of the Lord, and is the only means through which the NT can be fully understood. It is definitely not apocryphal, and to call any church which takes the Bible in its fullness as 'outside the universal church' and 'heretical' is itself a damnable statement.

 

[Divine Power]

 

[Froggy Fresh Sextape]

The paperclip scene has to do with the guy noticing the paperclips were left there and he'd return them to his coworker the following day as I recall. The other guy in the office mistakes him for a thief

Yes, I should've pointed that out. You're right. I just included it in a broader context of that Chick believes you need to live an impeccable life but only for the sole purpose of witnessing.

He was overly optimistic of his turn or burn Romans Road method of evangelizing. Also his view of history, especially regarding the Catholic Church, was very wrong and bizarre. So I'm not a big fan.

 

[Cassius Crayfish]

Ver archivo adjunto 7690803

mate we don't need ai pics of vaguely christian imagery every three posts

 

[California Newt]

I fail to see how viewing the old testament as apocrypha is some sort of revelation. The old testament as Apocrypha has been such since before the Council of Nicaea

Subsequent church councils have since confirmed its Apocryphal status. As guidance only and not doctrinal. Adopting old testament teachings as doctrine is heretical and in contravention of the guiding fundamental teachings of Christianity.

Any church that uses the old testament as a guiding principle sets itself outside the universal church and is heresy

Jesus specifically refers to the Torah as Moses' writings in the Gospels. The New Testament constantly refers back to the Torah and the prophets. You can't make sense of the New Testament without regarding the Torah and major prophets as authoritative. God Himself argues from them.

It's true that there's no closed canon of scripture in the Orthodox Church, but that's different from your pseudo-Marcionite position.

 

[Preacher ✝]

The Wisdom of Bl. Fulton Sheen

Day 206 - In silence, there is humility of spirit or what might be called "wise passivity." In such the ear is more important than the tongue. God speaks, but not in cyclones-only in the zephyrs and gentle breezes.

 

[Mad_Dog]

mate we don't need ai pics of vaguely christian imagery every three posts

You're right, we need AI videos

 

[Divine Power]

mate we don't need ai pics of vaguely christian imagery every three posts

 

[Skyline Enthusiast]

I'm "stuck" for want of a better word and frustrated.

I've been looking into all of the denominations and between the many different beliefs on how salvation works, creation, and views of the sacraments and the Anathemas the Catholics and Orthodox Churches have thrown at others, I've all ended up being was frustrated, bitter and without a clue of what to do. It genuinely makes me wonder if going back to church and trying to be an actual Christian is just a waste of time and I should just go back to being how I was and living in sin. All of the Tradcath and Orthobro shitfliging at everyone who isn't in their specific group doesn't help either.

Sorry if this sounds stupid or whatnot, i'm just upset and don't know what to do about it.

 

[Paradox Mystic]

You're right, we need AI videos
https://youtube.com/watch?v=-MvuIP6nm_8

Of course how am I suppose to sleep without
"Lofi Rosary Healing Beats ~ 8 Hours" ?

 

[Cassius Crayfish]

I'm "stuck" for want of a better word and frustrated.

I've been looking into all of the denominations and between the many different beliefs on how salvation works, creation, and views of the sacraments and the Anathemas the Catholics and Orthodox Churches have thrown at others, I've all ended up being was frustrated, bitter and without a clue of what to do. It genuinely makes me wonder if going back to church and trying to be an actual Christian is just a waste of time and I should just go back to being how I was and living in sin. All of the Tradcath and Orthobro shitfliging at everyone who isn't in their specific group doesn't help either.

Sorry if this sounds stupid or whatnot, i'm just upset and don't know what to do about it.

It's not stupid, and in some ways you're right to be upset over the fact that the worldwide church is not in complete unity. But that frustration is part of the 'groaning' that Paul speaks of in Romans 8, of a world longing for the perfection of the new creation which will one day come.

Ultimately, the question you should be asking is this: do you believe Jesus is the way, the truth and the life? Do you believe he is Lord? If so, then we can trust in him, and so we can freely pray to him with our frustrations and read the Bible to understand him better, as we rebuild our relationship with him. Which congregation we end up in is secondary - it is, of course, part of building our relationship with God, but you are not saved on the basis of which church you go to. You are saved based on whether or not you trust in the real, Biblical Jesus, who died for our sins on the cross, and was resurrected so that we may have eternal life if we believe in him.