US US Politics General 2: Hope Edition - Discussion of President Trump and other politicians

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Should be a wild four years.

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[Celebrate Nite]

Let me ask this question: do you think lolicon and shotacon porn should be banned? Or is that free speech, too?

This, fellow kiwis, is what we like to call a "landmine question", since it relates to the admin of this very site

If you're going to brave it and actually answer this, tread lightly.

 

[StudMccool]

to all those I was arguing with about what chinas drone threat, this is the first piece of tech ive seen from an American based firm that gives me some real hope and confidence, especially the device they call "Lattice"

They have gotten a CnC ops room and server all within about 2 or 3 briefcases you can set up in mins instead of hours

Skilled operators at the front could use those to knock out entire enemy defense networks, forget the drones, how are you going to tell them to take off when your electrical grid is down?

Its dark warfare and it will get dirty and mean VERY FAST, I really hope this can be avoided but if it cant be we will need to be in a position to stop another nation or rouge actor from using this same threat against us.

Crops, water, electricity, those are a nations lifeblood and they are ALL networked now, to the last drop of water, bushel of wheat, iota of energy, its all connected to a giant networks and then networks within those networks. Warfare is going to become chasing a digital rabbit and when you catch him your reward is shattering a nations stability by its over reliance on computerization. Its a fate Id very much like to spare any nation from having to experience.

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

does it matter? or let me put it this way, do you think kicking puppies makes you a troon?
and if you stopped reading there, there's even more follow-up you conveniently ignored.

nice deflection btw, now show me those excerpts from the patriot act.

Yes, it does matter. Either you believe porn is free speech and that includes lolicon/shotacon, or you believe that some pornography is truly obscene and deserves banning - thus reinforcing the idea that porn is not 100% free speech. Or you have some galaxy-brained middle position which I'm curious to read.

 

[BullfrogBill]

Yes. Let's just ignore that Hillary Clinton, Nikki Haley, various EU ministers and other Globalist pieces of shit have all said, more than once, that they'd really rather you weren't anonymous on the internet.

Let's also just forget that, when the Conservative Party in Britain got a bee in their bonnet about people being able to access porn on the internet, to the point that they strong-armed the ISPs into providing content blockers on the ISP side (even though the ISPs repeatedly told them that's not really their job), David Cameron started wondering aloud about what other websites could be blocked, using the same system.

Anybody cheering this on because of their personal disgust or distaste for pornography is a fucking idiot. Pornography is just the lever they use to implement totalitarian control.

I'm seeing an awful lot of "muh UK" and "muh Democrats" but not a whole lot of alternatives to the ID proposition. At this rate we are going to have IDs for porn go through and you are just going to have to deal with it because It's people like you that are at fault. The Libertarian position of "just do nothing, accept the porn and start getting into gooning" is poison and retards don't understand that the people don't want to be as degenerate as they are. People want this issue solved and fear mongering about a situation that is frankly better than the situation we are in now is such a waste of time because you are accomplishing nothing, this is why the Libertarians have lost their support, they only want to tear things down with no alternatives or plans to make things better for people.

You're on a database but that database doesn't include information about your private sexual preferences and fetishes

People that are this worried about their disgusting sexual fetishes being leaked should maybe stop watching disgusting porn and fix their life. I saw someone say shame would be the best way to stop the porn problem and I think I have to agree. At this point I think we should have a database of everyone's sexual fetishes and porn they watched last and it should be accessible to anyone. If you don't like the sound of that then you have something to hide and you need to stop watching porn for your own health.

 

[xXthrowawayaccountXx]

post your porn history or other shameful things you did in the past, unless you think buying booze and weed is equally "bad"
it's the same retarded take as "hurr it won't affect you if you got nothing to hide", followed by "hurr you're already getting fucked unlubed, what's taking it an inch deeper anyway".

Bro didn't even read the last half of the post, this is who I'm dealing with.

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

Bro didn't even read the last half of the post, this is who I'm dealing with.

Considering he won't answer my question whether lolicon/shotacon is free speech or not, I don't think he'll last much longer.

 

[Dr J]

not a whole lot of alternatives to the ID proposition

The alternative is parent your fucking kids. There's nothing else that realistically can be done

If you don't like the sound of that then you have something to hide and you need to stop watching porn for your own health.

Do you hear yourself? 'You should have nothing to fear if you have nothing to hide'. That's the George W Bush argument for mass surveillance.

Right to privacy isn't just about having something to hide. Everyone has curtains in their bedroom window, everyone's bathroom has doors with locks on them. Why? We know what goes on there. But everyone has those doors, everyone those curtains. Why? Because privacy is not secrecy. Just because you may or may not have something to hide doesn't mean that you should have to give up the right to want to.

 

[Queen Metalia]

post your porn history or other shameful things you did in the past, unless you think buying booze and weed is equally "bad"
it's the same retarded take as "hurr it won't affect you if you got nothing to hide", followed by "hurr you're already getting fucked unlubed, what's taking it an inch deeper anyway".

porn addiction is almost always a symptom, not the cause. a government ban won't suddenly make those people "right" nor prevent it from fucking up their life in the future.

You seem to have desires involving getting fucked by the federal government. Are you okay?

But also why is the internets so horny?

 

[Fred Herbert]

At this point I think we should have a database of everyone's sexual fetishes and porn they watched last and it should be accessible to anyone

Cool. Might be funny to look through.

You first of course.

 

[mandatorylurk]

Zelensky meeting with Putin in Turkey this week:

 

[xXthrowawayaccountXx]

Considering he won't answer my question whether lolicon/shotacon is free speech or not, I don't think he'll last much longer.

Damn, really not beating the stereotypes there.

I keep using the online beer/weed example, because those already do not display that information publicly. I looked at my amazon page to be sure.

They keep arguing on this anyways, or in the case of a hack occuring. In which case, you already should have worried about that when you entered in credit card information/connected with your service provider if you don't use a VPN.

 

[Conan]

People really think we're going back.
People think that if we just bury our heads and do nothing, leftists will see the errors of their ways and give up their institutional power.
People think if we embrace "trve smol government " we can retvrn to the halcyon days of old.
I understand, I wish we could too, but we're not.
As much as we'd like to will away the surveillance state, it is not evaporating because some principled conservatives and child fucking libertarians think governments doing things is fascism.

There are two neighbors. Mr. Left and Mr. Right.
They both own guns.
Mr. Left has killed Mr. Right's wife, children, and parents with his gun.
Mr. Right is getting very upset and thinking of loading his gun to fight back.
Then along comes Mr. Right's drug addict pedophile third cousin: Mr. Libertarian.
Mr. Libertarian reminds Mr. Right that Mr. Left uses his gun and if Mr. Right shoots back Mr. Left might shoot back too, and he'd be just as bad as him!
"Ignore that he has already killed your whole family, if you do the same to him, he can do it back to you when he gets a chance, it is better to do nothing!", says Mr. Libertarian.
We cannot go back to the time before the guns were bought. We cannot go back to the time before the family was killed.

There is no moral obligation to cede power to zealous, ideological enemies out of fear they might oppress you.
They are already oppressing you.
We came within a hair's breadth of national legalized child castration and mutilation and it was only when Mr. Right ignored Mr. Libertarian and pistol whipped Mr. Left that the course was corrected.

 

[BullfrogBill]

I don't see this going anywhere frankly. Being vehemently anti porn is mostly confined to terminally online feminist/tradcon spheres.

Irl most people are either indifferent to pornography or just accept it as a "whatever it exists" part of life. A lot of normies are casual consoomers and don't have any interest in being ruled over by eunuchs or clerics.

Also if you trust the government to implement realID and not descend into totalitarian hell you are an absolute retard.

I just went to the store today and saw a bunch of tranny and furry shirts for sale with one liners referring to the owner of the shirt liking to partake in animal sex. They are now selling shirts that advertise zoophilia in grocery stores. Do you think something like that would happen if we didn't live in a porn sick society or is it just some silly concern that only feminists have. People keep fear mongering about what would happen if we didn't have unlimited porn all the time without realizing we are already on a slippery slope. When pedophilia becomes normalized just remember how much you had to make sure everyone had access to porn 24/7.

Do you hear yourself? 'You should have nothing to fear if you have nothing to hide'. That's the George W Bush argument for mass surveillance.

Right to privacy isn't just about having something to hide. Everyone has curtains in their bedroom window, everyone's bathroom has doors with locks on them. Why? We know what goes on there. But everyone has those doors, everyone those curtains. Why? Because privacy is not secrecy. Just because you may or may not have something to hide doesn't mean that you should have to give up the right to want to.

1. George W wasn't just talking about sexual fetishes
2. I was being somewhat factitious

The alternative is parent your fucking kids. There's nothing else that realistically can be done

You can't force a parent to behave a certain way and giving your child unlimited access to internet isn't considered child abuse. I agree with the sentiment for sure but you can't control how people parent their kids and parents shouldn't be controlled either. But having blind faith that every parent is behaving correctly is naive.

This is the last I'm going to post on this topic because I imagine everyone else here is as tired of arguing about porn as I am. I just logged on today to a bunch of people pinging me arguing about porn so I figured I'd respond.

 

[Dumbledore's Onlyfans]

I am, in general, against the concept of legislatively child-proofing the world at the expense of the majority of adult's rights.

I will die laughing when you have to show ID to look at porn but not to vote though.

 

[xXthrowawayaccountXx]

The alternative is parent your fucking kids.

You know, I have yet to see someone say this and follow up with "I do this with my own kids, it's easy!" Really makes you think.

 

[blackface enthusiast]

It's so utterly bizarre seeing these wannabe neocons pontificating for paragraphs against completely made up shit in their heads literally no one said or advocated for.

 

[Your Girlfriend's Dad]

I think the porn industry is civilization crumbling cancer. I think ceding powers to government is dangerous, and people who desire power over others should be distrusted.

Rocks and hard places are the bedrock of modern society.

 

[Dammit Mandrake!]

You all added ten pages today and nothing happened. Go call your mothers, faggots.

 

[TarragonRespecter]

I'm seeing an awful lot of "muh UK" and "muh Democrats" but not a whole lot of alternatives to the ID proposition. At this rate we are going to have IDs for porn go through and you are just going to have to deal with it because It's people like you that are at fault. The Libertarian position of "just do nothing, accept the porn and start getting into gooning" is poison and retards don't understand that the people don't want to be as degenerate as they are. People want this issue solved and fear mongering about a situation that is frankly better than the situation we are in now is such a waste of time because you are accomplishing nothing, this is why the Libertarians have lost their support, they only want to tear things down with no alternatives or plans to make things better for people.

Pretty much this. Anyone that's crying about what could happen doesn't seem to have a solution for a real pressing problem in our society and instead of proposing of thinking of one they just doom for the status quo

 

[ZMOT]

Yes, it does matter. Either you believe porn is free speech and that includes lolicon/shotacon, or you believe that some pornography is truly obscene and deserves banning - thus reinforcing the idea that porn is not 100% free speech. Or you have some galaxy-brained middle position which I'm curious to read.

what I believe doesn't matter, nor was it even a topic when I was talking about posters in said thread being more than sus (as kids say these days), and thus being a shit example in any case.

what it is is another deflection trying to save your own ass getting called out. again, if US law is that simple, show me where the patriot act allows the infringement of your rights - because what it says and how it's used are two different things.
you being naiive enough thinking "obscene" only covers porn when even your glorified US law doesn't have a solid definition, nor thinking that there isn't vested interested in abusing such a law is hilarious tho, just like that MUH LOLI hill you for some reason are willing to die on. hitting too close to home with my initial remark?

I think the porn industry is civilization crumbling cancer. I think ceding powers to government is dangerous, and people who desire power over others should be distrusted.

wait till you mention who runs it, that really gets the thread going.

You seem to have desires involving getting fucked by the federal government. Are you okay?

u wot?

Damn, really not beating the stereotypes there.

what is this, reddit? "hurr he didn't answer immediately, I win!"