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Should be a wild four years.

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It's not even that hard anymore either. It used to be if you needed a replacement certified copy of your Birth Certificate, or SS Card or whatever, it was a pain in the ass. Now it's all done online and you don't even have to do that scary thing where you have to go in and talk to a stranger or whatever. Even the DMV is a cake these days. Online for most things, and things that aren't? Most states can make appointments online, you show up with your appoitment ID and you're in and out in 15 mins max.

Fuckin... going to the DMV used to be an all day bullshit excercise in the worst aspects of humanity.
I've noticed this as well other than having to deal with indians. As long as you never have to actually call anybody things are easier now than ever before. If you do have a problem that can't be solved online it's a bout a million times worse though.

Come to think of it there's probably a causal relationship there, call centers used to be something that enough people interacted with that they were held to standards. Now it's just something they technically need to have.
 
To be somewhat fair in the historical context, the late 19th and early 20th centuries were a political powderkeg and there were countless movements which saw humanity moving in a progression, and that part of that necessary progression meant the development of governments and societies to make people better. Both left- and right-wing revolutionaries and intellectuals pushed this kind of stuff in the United States and elsewhere.

It was Friedrich Nietzsche who, whatever else he wrote and whatever else people think of him, predicted governments of the 20th century doing this shit and killing a lot of people in the process. The goal of conservatism in the 21st century ought to be doing away with the idea that government can be used to make people or society better. It is a tool - nothing more, nothing less.
I agree with the sentiment, but the idea that the government can't be used to make people or society better is Neo-conservatism. That's what has lead us to the point where the country is falling apart. If government is a "tool" but you can't use it to make anything better then why have it? Governments can make things better, but they can also make things worse. It is a tool, that can and should be used for good ends, but it is hard to wield.

The 19th and 20th centuries were the worst in human history. I'd argue that it was caused by philosophic autism, that has been generally worked through the hard way i.e. atheist suicide rates, low birth rates, communists killing millions, post-modernists drug addictions etc. If you want to hear my personal philosophic autism go to my autism containment thread.
 
So it is not a question of whether or not the Government must return him. The court is clear, they must. It’s a question of how

Maybe I'm stupid, but the way I'm reading it says they need to facilitate his removal from El Salvador's custody, not that he needs to come back to the US. And the court wouldn't have the jurisdiction to tell a foreign/sovereign nation what to do with their prisoners. So the SCOTUS is asking what exactly does the district court think should be done - and its likely to be some dumb shit.
 
I see this all the time and I have to say a few things.
Bill Hicks was better than Carlin, first of all. And second, the landscape that brought Carlin to fame is not anywhere near what we are currently dealing with.
Carlin was the response to his time, where there was a lot of Christian groups ruining fun shit for people like the Woke is today. He may have been 'woke' for the 70's and 80's, but to be 'woke' back then was the counterculture as opposed to today where it flipped around. And it was not nearly the same kind of 'woke', shit changed.
Now, did he unleash a tide of cynical dickhead Reddit types on us for all eternity? Yeah, but that doesn't mean he wasn't funny when he did it.
Couldn't have said it better. I think it's really unfortunate that everything must be politicized to the point that you can't even share a harmless and funny George Carlin stand up bit without a bunch of people sperging out about some fake hypothetical scenario where Carlin is alive today sucking tranny cock as if that fake scenario some sperg invented in his own head means "Umm acktually you shouldn't find George Carlin funny, enjoy mental illness, stalker child."
 
I agree with the sentiment, but the idea that the government can't be used to make people or society better is Neo-conservatism. That's what has lead us to the point where the country is falling apart. If government is a "tool" but you can't use it to make anything better then why have it? Governments can make things better, but they can also make things worse. It is a tool, that can and should be used for good ends, but it is hard to wield.

The 19th and 20th centuries were the worst in human history. I'd argue that it was caused by philosophic autism, that has been generally worked through the hard way i.e. atheist suicide rates, low birth rates, communists killing millions, post-modernists drug addictions etc. If you want to hear my personal philosophic autism go to my autism containment thread.
The point isn't to devolve into Machiavellianism, but rather to remind people what government is and isn't. It's not your daddy, it's not a god, it's not going to usher in utopia, and it's not perfect. Communists and anarchists propose circular arguments that what they promise precludes government. Actual fascists want to be told what to do.

America's political system starts from the position that there is a base level of stuff that the government cannot interfere with. The philosophic autism you talk about has not been solved: we still have far-left and far-right retards aggressively misunderstanding the US political system because they want their way, and they want it now.
 
I remember when this motherfucker threatened to withhold federal funding if North Carolina passed a bill that only allowed people born female into women's bathrooms on colleges and universities.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/oba...-white-house-demands-trump/story?id=120824379
Obama blasts Trump administration's 'unlawful' Harvard demands
Trump hinted the university should lose its tax-exempt status on Tuesday.


By Oren Oppenheim
April 15, 2025, 2:31 PM


Former President Barack Obama in a statement praised Harvard University for rejecting President Donald Trump's demands as the university faces a funding freeze for alleged inaction on antisemitism.

"Harvard has set an example for other higher-ed institutions -- rejecting an unlawful and ham-handed attempt to stifle academic freedom, while taking concrete steps to make sure all students at Harvard can benefit from an environment of intellectual inquiry, rigorous debate and mutual respect," Obama posted on X late Monday. "Let's hope other institutions follow suit."

Obama's remark came after Harvard University said on Monday it was refusing to comply with a series of demands from the Trump administration. On Monday evening, the administration's Joint Task Force to Combat Anti-Semitism announced a multibillion-dollar freeze on funding to the university. (Harvard University has said it is committed to fighting antisemitism and to making changes to create a welcoming environment.)

Obama, an alumnus of Harvard Law School, did not address the funding freeze.

In recent remarks at Hamilton College in Clinton, New York, Obama said he was concerned about the White House's moves against universities.

"I don't think what we just witnessed in terms of economic policy and tariffs is going to be good for America, but that's a specific policy. I'm more deeply concerned with a federal government that threatens universities if they don't give up students who are exercising their right to free speech," Obama said, according to a transcript of his remarks.

He had also called on universities not to give into what he framed as intimidation.

"If you are a university, you may have to figure out, are we in fact doing things right? Have we in fact violated our own values, our own code, violated the law in some fashion? If not and you're just being intimidated, well, you should be able to say, that's why we got this big endowment," Obama said, according to the transcript.

"We'll stand up for what we believe in and we'll pay our researchers for a while out of that endowment and we'll give up the extra wing or the fancy gymnasium -- that we can delay that for a couple of years because academic freedom might be a little more important," he added.

Trump, on Tuesday morning, called for Harvard to lose its tax-exempt status after the university said it would not comply with the Trump administration's series of demands.

"Perhaps Harvard should lose its Tax Exempt Status and be Taxed as a Political Entity if it keeps pushing political, ideological, and terrorist inspired/supporting 'Sickness?' Remember, Tax Exempt Status is totally contingent on acting in the PUBLIC INTEREST!" Trump wrote in a post on his social media platform.

Harvard University is exempt from federal income tax because it is an educational institution. It is also exempt from Massachusetts state income tax, according to the university.

Asked during a press briefing on Tuesday how serious Trump is about his call for Harvard to lose its tax-exempt status, White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt said the president has been "quite clear they must follow federal law."

"He also wants to see Harvard apologize, and Harvard should apologize for the egregious antisemitism that took place on their college campus against Jewish American students," she said while deferring to the IRS for any updates on the tax-exempt status.

Leavitt also claimed the university has not taken the administration's demands seriously in response to a question on the funding freeze.

"All the president is asking don't break federal law, and then you can have your federal funding," she said.

ABC News' Kelsey Walsh, Peter Charalambous, Selina Wang and Arthur Jones II contributed to this report.
 
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Maybe I'm stupid, but the way I'm reading it says they need to facilitate his removal from El Salvador's custody, not that he needs to come back to the US. And the court wouldn't have the jurisdiction to tell a foreign/sovereign nation what to do with their prisoners. So the SCOTUS is asking what exactly does the district court think should be done - and its likely to be some dumb shit.
Yeah I removed that bit from my post because the statement wasn’t as clear as what I said. Where he should be released to is not stated, just that he should be released. The statement does additionally say

“the proper remedy is to provide Abrego Garcia with all the process to which he would have been entitled had he not been unlawfully removed to El Salvador. That means the Government must comply with its obligation to provide Abrego Garcia with “due process of law,” including notice and an opportunity to be heard, in any future proceedings.”

Meaning he must have the opportunity to appear before a US court and be provided US due process. So he may appear before the court while outside the US and the Government would still be compliant with the order.
 
I agree with the sentiment, but the idea that the government can't be used to make people or society better is Neo-conservatism. That's what has lead us to the point where the country is falling apart. If government is a "tool" but you can't use it to make anything better then why have it? Governments can make things better, but they can also make things worse. It is a tool, that can and should be used for good ends, but it is hard to wield.
The concept of government can be traced back to the tribal system and is the natural logical outgrowth of such.

Which itself is an outgrowth of the family unit.

Thus you destroy the family unit, you detonate in slow-motion, the system of governance above it.

Still waiting on those Epstein files that were to be released 'day 1 with no redactions'. Have fun getting murdered in the primaries faggots.
 
Flights to the U.S. have completely cratered - which is negatively affecting US airlines, hotels, and related companies.
A little anecdotal but it's my impression that people are doing jaunts to the USA less now because they're travelling less and preferring shorter and cheaper trips. Also, I knew people who would make the whole thing into a shopping trip - flying to New York for two days to go round all the shops and such. That is out for many people now.

This reply is for @Hey Johnny Bravo too. I think both might be ascribing too much of a political motive to just people either having less money or feeling financially less certain. Of course if holidays to Tokyo are up the same amount weekends in New York are down, I'll stand corrected but this is my impression.
 
The concept of government can be traced back to the tribal system and is the natural logical outgrowth of such.

Which itself is an outgrowth of the family unit.

Thus you destroy the family unit, you detonate in slow-motion, the system of governance above it.
As much as I despise the clothing, music, and visual aesthetic of the 1945-1960 era, it really does feel like they had cultural norms and governmental system of how to operate a society absolutely perfected.
 
> SOTOMAYOR, J., dissenting

No? Who cares what the diabetes wetback says in a dissent? Beyond the fact that she's a retard, it's a dissent.
“See Trump v. J. G. G., 604 U. S. ___, ___ (2025) (SOTOMAYOR, J., dissenting) (slip op., at 8).”

That fragment is in reference to a separate dissenting opinion by Sotomayor. I know reading comprehension is hard bro….
 
As much as I despise the clothing, music, and visual aesthetic of the 1945-1960 era, it really does feel like they had cultural norms and governmental system of how to operate a society absolutely perfected.
Oh you mean the propaganda shit?

The America you think existed isn't the America that actually existed. Not to say it wasn't a 'better' time in some respects, but it wasn't the propaganda mill version designed specifically to encourage generalization of identity as 'Americans' in order to dilute regional identity.

Plus a lot of what made it 'better' was the aftereffects of being the world's only industrialized nation since everyone else was bombed to shit and back.

Look up some of the shit the federales specifically FBI and CIA were up to at the time. Also that's the beginnings of the M.I.C.'s enmeshment with the government and the public psyche to justify the foreverwars we have today.

If you want to truly go back to 'how to operate a society' you'd need to go far further back.
 
The philosophic autism you talk about has not been solved: we still have far-left and far-right retards aggressively misunderstanding the US political system because they want their way, and they want it now.
The people left don't debate the presupposed issues, it is completely team-sports. When was the last debate between a positivist and a rationalist? Probably 100 years ago. Despite massive innovations that have occurred in the field in the past few years. The US political system has bent to unconstitutional forces for about 100 years. Where is the fourth branch of the government for the CIA and dozens of other independent agencies? Where does the federal government have the right to have it's own police aka the FBI. Where does it have the right to take everyone's gold?

I'm not super into the abortion issue, but even when I was nominally "pro-choice" I knew Roe was bullshit. Penumbras (shadows) of the Fourth amendment (unlawful searches and seizures) means women can have 9th month abortions was ridiculous.
 
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The people left don't debate the presupposed issues, it is completely team-sports.
Yeah it's the lefties saying they want to kill their political opponents, and the conservatives saying they want the government to kill their political opponents because they're faggots with their balls stuffed in their mouths.
 
They punted it back to the District Court, asked them to clarify what they were asking the Government to do, and warned them that their power to tell the Executive Branch how to conduct foreign affairs is limited.
You’re forgetting the part where the government is supposed to facilitate the release of Abrego from El Salvador and then continue the case against him.
 
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