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Should be a wild four years.

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Found the clip that's been going arround
Apple CEO Tim Cook explains why Apple chooses China for manufacturing [L9f5SQQKr5o].webm

It is from this interview in 2017 with Fortune global forum that took place in Guangzhou. I always hate these random clips that don't say when and where something is from
https://youtube.com/watch?v=_ng8xQ-SNGc
It's an interesting interview but you have to look at it's audience. He's in China a country that is completely based on face culture and bullshit. Of course he's going to fellate them while he uses them to make his iphones. I will say the very truthful part of this is the tooling is the most expensive part. In literally any manufactuering operation the key is getting your tooling setup and then having people trained. Another true aspect is the US now does lack a skilled labor force because only dumb people are in manufacturing and you should go to school and get a degree in art literacy instead.

He's not lying in this interview and he makes some good points but this is like looking at an any other piece of propaganda. Do you think he's going to go to China to a manufacturing center and say "hey we really take advantage of you dumb fucks" Obviously not. On the flip side I have years in US manufacturing so I'm equally biased. I also have years of dealing with chinesium products. We certainly don't source any tooling or designs from China, no one does really they give them the equipment and the designs and they execute them.

Chinese people tend to have fairly high IQs, there's a reason the outsourcing operations are doing so much better in Vietnam then in India. Just look at the intelligence of the workforce.
 
He does, but I don't see how that has much to do with my question.
You could even say that the full-on exempt of tariffs for certain products, like he just did, puts Trump in a bit of a weaker negotiating position, because you just lost some leverage there.

I tend to trust him because I know he's acting on knowledge that I don't have, but I'm just super confused by those blanket tariff exemptions on certain specific goods. And hoping it's only for those 90 days, and not permanently.
The tariffs were always a temporary thing. Eventually, they'll work out a backroom deal, and Trump will back off from the tariffs if he gets a concession from them.

That, and Trump's billionaire backers do NOT like the tariffs. If they walk away from him, he'll have no support, especially if Congress turns on him come next election.

The crowd that hates Russia is cozying up to China.
lmao. I love this.
To be fair, China holds Russia by the balls. If the Europeans get cozy enough with China, China can tell Russia to fuck off from Ukraine or else.

China far outclasses Russia in terms of military, tech, and money. They can, as Reagan did, outspend the Russians to the grave.

it's funny because all of them would literally collapse within a year without the USA
They only need the USA because of Russia. If China tells the Russians to fuck off and stop bothering Europe, NATO would have no use whatsoever.

Shit, if Putin didn't invade Ukraine, NATO could've died a slow, natural death.
 
He does, but I don't see how that has much to do with my question.
You could even say that the full-on exempt of tariffs for certain products, like he just did, puts Trump in a bit of a weaker negotiating position, because you just lost some leverage there.

I tend to trust him because I know he's acting on knowledge that I don't have, but I'm just super confused by those blanket tariff exemptions on certain specific goods. And hoping it's only for those 90 days, and not permanently.
To my understanding he didn't "full on exempt" anything, he paused tariffs with countries that are negotiating (carrot to show if they behave they'll get rewarded), and electronics etc were not exempted but were always intended to have a 20% tariff on them which is what they have currently.
For the former, we saw the same with Canada where they got tariff'd, they negotiated, they failed to meet what they promised, and the tariffs went back in place.

The same will happen to any countries who don't follow up with what they promise during negotiations. The pause doesn't result in less leverage, it dangles a deadline above their head.

I would imagine the different rate for electronics is to give additional time to set up deals in other countries like Vietnam, or to give time for factories to move here as Trump has been known to do for e.g. car factories when they requested additional time after being in the process of setting up their factories.

Alternatively it's to encourage factories to move here while not making shit ridiculously expensive given how important electronics are for many things (much more so than plastic chink shit, baby toys, shoes, or clothes).

Someone correct me if I'm wrong on any of this.
 
Good luck with that. Most people think marriage is a trap. And if you try to roll back on the "wins" women gained in the marriage department, you lose their votes, and you lose the election.
Repealing Roe v Wade was also impossible. Ending government support for trannies, impossible. Ending the Department of Education, impossible. Ending USAID, impossible. Offering White a south Africans a path to citizenship, impossible. Building the the wall; using the Alien Enemies Act; deporting studies and immigrants who lived here 10+ years, impossible.

You don't have to roll back women being allowed to have bank accounts and have a career. No fault divorce would still be allowed, but either both agree and split 50/50 or the sole-leaver forfeits everything (maybe up to years living expenses to be nice). Marriage infidelity is fault for divorce and would tip the scales against the cheater.

With good PR you could easily make women fight in favor of this. "Have a forever marriage"; "Cheaters don't prosper".

If housing is affordable on a single income a single mother could look forward to not working if she finds a new husband.
For all the talk conservatives[...]
I'm not "conservative", FYI. Trump isn't conservative either.

Women's voting patterns are shifting. Trannies in sports, healthier food, safer medicine, and better schools are issues they care about. "Reverse racism" at Universities is another issue they want fixed.
 
Trump isn't conservative either.
GOP has been controlled opposition for a long time, the establishment doesn't like outsiders like Trump (who really is just a 90's Dem crossed with Neo-Reagan policies). Most Americans think there are only two options politically; I saw some people earlier in the thread talking about stuff like Monarchism, Fascism, you could probably throw in Imperialism or Reactionary politics or something. Older countries with centuries of more political development than the US.

This being said, those ideologies I listed above are so far out of the scope of what most Americans consider "right wing" that they think someone is a Dem voter by default if they say they don't like the GOP/Trump Administration or criticize them in any way. Kabuki theater making red puppet and blue puppet slap fight. Interesting the common "right wing" American being befuddled by actual right wing politics.
 
Repealing Roe v Wade was also impossible. Ending government support for trannies, impossible. Ending the Department of Education, impossible. Ending USAID, impossible. Offering White a south Africans a path to citizenship, impossible. Building the the wall; using the Alien Enemies Act; deporting studies and immigrants who lived here 10+ years, impossible.
Not quite. Roe v. Wade was going to go given how most people in America are religious and don't approve of abortion. As for the rest, they could all easily come back if the next administration is Democrat, which can easily happen if the Republicans lose enough votes.

You don't have to roll back women being allowed to have bank accounts and have a career. No fault divorce would still be allowed, but either both agree and split 50/50 or the sole-leaver forfeits everything (maybe up to years living expenses to be nice). Marriage infidelity is fault for divorce and would tip the scales against the cheater.
A 50/50 split would be better, but again, marriage courts tend to rule in favor of the women-even in conservative states. Conservatives did nothing about extortionist alimony payments that got men like Robin Williams killed. Instead, conservatives are too busy trying to force men into marriage, despite how broken the system is. The conservative response to men whining about how broken the system is "suck it up, soldier, daddy needs more babies for the system!"

Roe v. Wade got overturned because it was a hot-button topic that energized people. Just like white South Africans, federal aid for trannies, etc.. Men's woes with marriage are something most conservative talking heads ignore, and if you bring it up to them, they call you a whiner.

Women's voting patterns are shifting. Trannies in sports, healthier food, safer medicine, and better schools are issues they care about. "Reverse racism" at Universities is another issue they want fixed.
Depends on the women. Conservative women, yes, liberal women, no.
 
I don't know who you were having this argument with, but it wasn't me.
It was originally me pushing back on part of @indomitable snowman ’s message, because he was talking about this video claiming China has secret special tooling and engineering and didn’t address that claim specifically. He slid it to “we’ll all those people are gone.”

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So I was pointing out that no, we don’t just not have people capable of making tooling and engineering PHONE CASES, we actually make some of the machine tools China uses.

In fact, China is the entity that needs to be caught up to speed. Maybe I wasn’t articulate and it was naive of me to expect people to be able to judge the context of what I said without being tediously walked through it


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So besides this starting some weird revolt of dipshits saying “people who use Ai should be banned!” meaning me, since I was the context, you chimed in with

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Well dude, you have to use tools to make tools, and to make tools, you have to understand what the tools need to do, so if you make tools, yeah you can probably use them. Machining is machining, in that you need or will pick up a general understanding of metal characteristics, spacial reasoning, tolerances, general practices like making sure to use clean undamaged collets and installing them free of grit on the threads, etc etc etc ad tedium

I’ve done toolmaking and machining. There’s a lot of principles that carry over, especially because even if the machines are different, you’re running cnc’s in both cases

So yeah you were over your head

Also, I’m pretty sure I’m more knowledgeable about the skill set Tim Cook is talking about than Tim Cook. Tim Cook was saying “don’t mind our revenue outflows! Line go UP!”
 
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A 50/50 split would be better, but again, marriage courts tend to rule in favor of the women-even in conservative states. Conservatives did nothing about extortionist alimony payments that got men like Robin Williams killed. Instead, conservatives are too busy trying to force men into marriage, despite how broken the system is. The conservative response to men whining about how broken the system is "suck it up, soldier, daddy needs more babies for the system!"

Roe v. Wade got overturned because it was a hot-button topic that energized people. Just like white South Africans, federal aid for trannies, etc.. Men's woes with marriage are something most conservative talking heads ignore, and if you bring it up to them, they call you a whiner.
The consequences of the sexual revolution and related Boomer divorce rates are what ultimately led to how broken things are now. As a male myself, I don't want to possibly get involved with some woman who might turn out to be abusive in private. I see how women present themselves and act in public, and I don't want to get involved with that, but apparently it's horrid if I as a man call out how I see women behaving in public. To add insult to injury, the population is starting to dip in the developed world because not many people aged 25-35 are having children.

But apparently every young male in that ten year window needs to be demonized because they won't have kids. Well they can't find work to afford those kids or own a home of their own, and they have probably grown up seeing their older male relatives get messed up by the family court system/abusive girlfriends, and they don't want to put up with that. Stepdad generally isn't an option, either, I doubt many men want to put up with someone else's baggage and dealing with what looks like a ransom handoff at a dollar store or a McDonald's every weekend thanks to custody agreements.
 
They need 'rest' lol

The missing Black demonstrators in anti-Trump protests
Axios (archive.ph)
By Russell Contreras
2025-04-12 11:20:19GMT
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Photo illustration: Allie Carl/Axios. Photo: Paul Morigi and Carol Lee Rose/Getty Images & Bloomberg via Getty Images

Nearly five years after fueling the largest protest movement in American history, Black activism stands at a generational, emotional and strategic crossroads.

Why it matters: Many of the Black Americans who flooded the streets in 2020 have stepped back from the renewed anti-Trump protests — torn between the urgency of the moment and the spiritual toll of relentless, often fruitless resistance.
  • The stakes are huge: President Trump's second-term agenda is openly hostile to DEI, police reform, and the civil rights protections that have underpinned racial progress for the last half-century.
  • But prominent Black activists tell Axios that rest does not equal retreat, and that the movement is evolving — in leadership, tone and tactics — for the long fight ahead.
Driving the news: Photos from last weekend's "Hands Off!" demonstrations — where millions protested DOGE cuts, immigration raids and mass federal layoffs — show a striking shift from 2020.
  • Most participants were older and white, as seen at rallies across the country and confirmed to Axios — a stark contrast to the multiracial, Black-led protests launched in the wake of George Floyd's murder.
  • Campus protests over Trump's immigration crackdown have drawn primarily white, Latino, and Asian American students, with Black participants largely absent from the front lines.
  • In Washington, D.C., Black Lives Matter Plaza near the White House was quietly dismantled last month after funding threats from Republicans — a symbolic setback in what once was the epicenter of 2020's racial reckoning.
Zoom in: A viral video from last weekend showed Black Americans enjoying brunch in Atlanta — a historical hub of Black political power and culture — while white "Hands Off!" demonstrators marched outside.
Others told Axios they're emotionally drained and need a "break" after the demoralizing defeat of Vice President Kamala Harris, the first Black woman nominated for president by a major political party.
  • Harris won 86% of Black voters overall, but Trump improved his vote share among Black men from 19% in 2020 to 21% in 2024.
  • Some Black women saw Donald Trump's victory as a wake-up call to turn inward and prioritize self-care, especially after voters overlooked his record of racist comments for a second time.
  • "It's definitely a feeling of, 'I'm not going to push myself to the point of exhaustion,' " said Nina Smith, a strategist who has worked with the Movement for Black Lives. "The best way I can show up in this moment is to take care of myself."
The big picture: Some organizers say Black activism is shifting away from mass mobilization and toward quieter strategies: economic pressure campaigns, digital organizing and coalition-building behind the scenes.
  • Activists point to rising fears of targeted state violence under Trump, including the risk that Black protesters could be surveilled, detained or worse — a fear underscored by the treatment of legal residents caught up in immigration raids.
  • "People are trying to prepare themselves for the long haul here," said Steve Phillips, author of "How We Win the Civil War: Securing a Multiracial Democracy and Ending White Supremacy for Good."
Between the lines: The movement also is undergoing a generational shift, as older figures from the Civil Rights era pass the baton to new voices who came of age in a more diverse America.
  • Rev. Jamal Bryant, who recently met with the legendary civil rights activist Rev. Jesse Jackson, launched a 40-day national boycott of Target over its rollback of DEI initiatives.
  • Political commentator Angela Rye has been quietly mobilizing leaders through private strategy sessions.
  • Latosha Brown, co-founder of Black Voters Matter, has emphasized the importance of rest, recognizing that Black Americans have been fighting for generations.
The other side: In text message chains and on social media, some Black advocates chided others for resting amid Trump's multi-pronged assault on DEI and other racial justice priorities.
  • They pointed out that civil rights icons Rosa Parks and Ella Baker didn't let regular defeats or roadblocks stop them from organizing and protesting.
But Rev. William Barber, who has spoken at recent rallies dominated by white participants, told Axios it's foolish to think civil rights leaders didn't need to rest while facing racial violence and planning long marches.
  • "Ella Baker knew how to have a Saturday party. She'd get down with some spades and some bid whist," Barber said, referring to card games. "Nobody is saying that people need to be constantly on the move."
  • Phillips added that rest is an important part of resistance. "When Harriet Tubman rounded up folks to flee the plantation, they didn't go without breaks for sleeping, right?"
The bottom line: Activists say the streets may feel quieter, but the fight is far from over.
 
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