Why Freedom of Speech should be a human right - One of the few rights as a human I'm willing to die for

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

If a faggot wants to talk about how much of a faggot they are, they should be allowed too as much as I'm allowed to call someone a faggot.

Why should they be allowed to? Give me one good reason.

There are times where the unrestricted exercise of rights can cause problems for the harmony and order of a society, which is why I think it’s unrealistic to hold the Libertarian idea that “as long as it doesn’t [directly] affect me, it should be legal.”

Exactly right.

 

[Osama Bin Laden]

Why should they be allowed to? Give me one good reason.

There isn’t a good reason other than being consistent in my values

 

[Sargon's wife's son]

Absolutely freedom of speech is a human right but sedition is not a detected form of speech if you're taking a mass amount of money from a foreign government to undermine your government on behalf of foreign power you should be executed.
One could argue a hypocritical cause America did that in its founding but we first tried to exercise our grievances with the state we belonged to.

Also communist fundamentally because they do not believe in even the concept of liberty or property rights are not human beings therefore silencing them is not a violation of the First Amendment just like non Christians blaspheming Jesus Christ is also not protected speech simply due to the fact that Christian morality is what the basis of liberty is based off to begin with.

 

[We Are The Witches]

Human rights are retarded. Nobody owes you anything just because you exist.

They are "rights which are believed to belong to every person", made to supposedly protect people from potential unfairness or cruelty if you want to go far, just like laws are made so that society functions.

Of course the universe does not care about this, just like it doesn't care about morality, but someone has if you want to not have chaos.

So for example, a human right would be to be free from torture (under the specific criteria for what that is), so it should not be legal for someone to torture you. Or it could be to be treated equally under the law (under the same conditions of course, with traits such as gender or race not being discriminatory) which are kind of violated every day, so some of them are not retarded.

The retarded thing is that some rights are constantly violated; nobody owes you anything, the world does not owe you anything, "should" and "deserve" mean nothing, yet it would be wise to have some sort of made up justice that attempts to bring actual fairness (although usually failing throughout the course of humanity).

 

[WelperHelper99]

Freedom of Speech isn't a human right. It's a God given right. In a legal sense, it means no government can take it from you, you're born with it. This is more powerful than a human right. This is also what is enshrined in the US Constitution.

 

[SofondaCox]

They are "rights which are believed to belong to every person", made to supposedly protect people from potential unfairness or cruelty if you want to go far, just like laws are made so that society functions.

Of course the universe does not care about this, just like it doesn't care about morality, but someone has if you want to not have chaos.

So for example, a human right would be to be free from torture (under the specific criteria for what that is), so it should not be legal for someone to torture you. Or it could be to be treated equally under the law (under the same conditions of course, with traits such as gender or race not being discriminatory) which are kind of violated every day, so some of them are not retarded.

The retarded thing is that some rights are constantly violated; nobody owes you anything, the world does not owe you anything, "should" and "deserve" mean nothing, yet it would be wise to have some sort of made up justice that attempts to bring actual fairness (although usually failing throughout the course of humanity).

To say you are owed *nothing* by virtue of 'simply being alive' is to accept and embrace abuse on every level. "Deserve" and "should" mean nothing. The meanings we ascribe are varied, and retarded. They are part of a greater social fantasy.

To say a child has NO entitlements is to admit that life is, for many, absolutely not worth the cost.

That reality must involve a great deal of abortion. We are primates, the world is hostile. We are frequently hostile. How do you justify bringing a new person here when the only promise you can give is death?

How do you prove a God gave you any such thing as 'freedom'?

 

[⚞⛇⚟]

In order to get people to shut up about what about violent treats or what about child porn, we should make a list of things that free speech doesnt cover. To start:
1. Child Pornogrophy as well as depictions of it.
2. Violent threats.
3. Leaking paid software/stuff under NDAs. I don't want to include this in the list but it feels nessasary.
4. I'm too lazy to delve into specifics but something about not disrupting peace. While screaming at kids in a park about how the government is trying to kill them should not fall under free speech, protesting (even if it is something that you disagree with) should.
Also, the whole point of private property is that the owner can kick you our for any reason. You can complain that the owner is a fag or that it was unjust, but you can't complain that the government should intervene in your ban. Some exceptions of course for stuff with no alternatives like web hosting or payment systems, but the Wendys from across the street doesn't count as either of those things.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

There isn’t a good reason other than being consistent in my values

Then if there's no good reason for something otherwise significantly harmful to exist it should be restricted.

The U.S Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people, if you can tell me how FAGGOTS spewing their degeneracy jives with that then I'll concede. Same for porn, drugs, and gambling; a decent and civil society has no place for such things, they only make communities less good. We have the right to a nice place to live, and the only way to achieve that is fostering a culture of virtue, not vice.

I don't care about some abstract, misguided sense of principles which yield nothing good and actually contradict our Founding Fathers' vision for America and impact our country negatively. I need to hear a good, logical and moral argument, not empty platitudes divorced from reality.

Freedom of Speech isn't a human right. It's a God given right. In a legal sense, it means no government can take it from you, you're born with it. This is more powerful than a human right. This is also what is enshrined in the US Constitution.

Is porn a Godgiven right?

God says to obey the laws of the land, so if America bans certain speech then it's incumbent upon us by the authority of God to relinquish ourselves to said laws, given that they're not ungodly. Thus, freedom of speech is ultimately only what is in line with God's will and your government's laws.

In order to get people to shut up about what about violent treats

I really hate it when I try to snap into a Slim Jim but it ends up snapping me.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Is porn a Godgiven right?

Nonsequitor

God says to obey the laws of the land, so if America bans certain speech then it's incumbent upon us by the authority of God to relinquish ourselves to said laws, given that they're not ungodly. Thus, freedom of speech is ultimately only what is in line with God's will and your government's laws

The freedom to speak is your right. There are very few limitations. It is not from a religious angle I view it, but from the angle that you are born with that freedom and nobody can take that right away.

There isn’t a good reason other than being consistent in my values

Based.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Nonsequitor i have no rebuttal

Ok.

The freedom to speak is your right.

No it isn't, there's limitations, which you've already conceded to:

There are very few limitations.

It is not from a religious angle I view it

Oh?

Freedom of Speech isn't a human right. It's a God given right.

Sure sounds like you view it from a religious angle, and our Founding Fathers did.

but from the angle that you are born with that freedom and nobody can take that right away.

Yes, they can, especially if you're truly not viewing it from a religious angle. Why can't they take that right away (which, to remind you, is already limited as-is)? Because you don't want them to? From a circular perspective you're just a sack of meat at the whims of stronger sacks of meat. You only have Godgiven rights if God exists, and if he does then you're supposed to obey him, and that means not saying or doing certain things. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Ok.


No it isn't, there's limitations, which you've already conceded to:




Oh?


Sure sounds like you view it from a religious angle, and our Founding Fathers did.


Yes, they can, especially if you're truly not viewing it from a religious angle. Why can't they take that right away (which, to remind you, is already limited as-is)? Because you don't want them to? From a circular perspective you're just a sack of meat at the whims of stronger sacks of meat. You only have Godgiven rights if God exists, and if he does then you're supposed to obey him, and that means not saying or doing certain things. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

If you want to sperg you can. They can't take your rights away because you are born with them. "God given" indicates the government is not in control of it. If they try to take your right to speak, you fight back faggot. Like a real fucking Patriot. I can scream nigger on the sidewalk all I want. If someone swings at me, I'm allowed to swing back, since I've done nothing fucking wrong.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

"God given" indicates the government is not in control of it.

They can and do.

If they try to take your right to speak, you fight back faggot. Like a real fucking Patriot.

Better strap up then, because that ship has sailed. See you on the news, Rambo.

I can scream nigger on the sidewalk all I want. If someone swings at me, I'm allowed to swing back, since I've done nothing fucking wrong.

These are true. You've chosen examples of things your government allows (well, mostly; you can still be arrested for disturbing the peace for the former, and the latter is illegal in certain areas where you have a duty to retreat, which is very stupid),

 

[WelperHelper99]

They can and do.

That's why it's your responsibility as a citizen to assert your freedom. You cannot be fucking passive.

Better strap up then, because that ship has sailed. See you on the news, Rambo.

I do every day. I am as much of a asshole IRL as on here. I still have my job buddy. I'm fine.

These are true. You've chosen examples of things your government allows (well, mostly; you can still be arrested for disturbing the peace for the former, and the latter is illegal in certain areas where you have a duty to retreat, which is very stupid),

And you've given me the country mile. Nigga, the lesser charges don't fucking matter. Your freedom to speak is absolute.

 

[Rungle]

The concept of freedom of speech has been so muddled over the years to the point where some people think they already have it while they do not.
England is the most obvious example of a government trying to do force this idea, yet other countries or organizations are more subtle.

You know when you have freedom of speech when other people get angry at you for no reason for speaking your mind about certain subjects.

Ofcourse you have to read the room and not be a turbo sped about your believes.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

That's why it's your responsibility as a citizen to assert your freedom. You cannot be fucking passive.

I agree, if it's a true and proper understanding of freedom, not one borne of a defective will; asserting your freedom to goon to porn or get high is indicative of such.

I do every day. I am as much of a asshole IRL as on here. I still have my job buddy. I'm fine.

Sounds passive.

And you've given me the country mile. Nigga, the lesser charges don't fucking matter. Your freedom to speak is absolute.

It really isn't absolute, there's already a wide range of exceptions. Threats, obscenity, and libel are just a few such restrictions. You can cope and seethe and fantasize about Ramboing your rights back, but it's reality.

 

[WelperHelper99]

I agree, if it's a true and proper understanding of freedom, not one borne of a defective will; asserting your freedom to goon to porn or get high is indicative of such.

Nigga what?

Sounds passive.

How? I'm a fucking asshole. Yet the world tolerates it because I assert myself.

It really isn't absolute, there's already a wide range of exceptions. Threats, obscenity, and libel are just a few such restrictions. You can cope and seethe and fantasize about Ramboing your rights back, but it's reality.

Yes there's exceptions. Not for the grand majority. I can say nigger in the street all I want bro. Nobody can stop me.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Nigga what?

In other words, freedom isn't absolute, it is and should be limited by moral boundaries for the good of society.

How? I'm a fucking asshole. Yet the world tolerates it because I assert myself.

Cool, but that's not going to stop you from being arrested if you make a threat.

Yes there's exceptions. Not for the grand majority. I can say nigger in the street all I want bro. Nobody can stop me.

Originally you said you can scream it on the sidewalk, I pointed out that you'd likely be arrested. You can say nigger all you like currently, but that could change. We used to have blasphemy laws, we can restrict whatever speech we want. Some should be restricted, some shouldn't.

You should be allowed to say nigger, you shouldn't be allowed to blaspheme.

 

[WelperHelper99]

In other words, freedom isn't absolute, it is and should be limited by moral boundaries for the good of society.


Cool, but that's not going to stop you from being arrested if you make a threat.


Originally you said you can scream it on the sidewalk, I pointed out that you'd likely be arrested. You can say nigger all you like currently, but that could change. We used to have blasphemy laws, we can restrict whatever speech we want. Some should be restricted, some shouldn't.

You should be allowed to say nigger, you shouldn't be allowed to blaspheme.

I'm not playing ring around the nigger with you, fuck off Ness.

 

[Sho'nuff]

Human Rights don't exist. The only rights that exist are those extended to you by your place and time.
There are multiple different variables to it as well, it's not just country, your status within the country will change your rights from time to time. Ie Americans are pretty damn free, but you can't do anything that infringes on others rights. But if you were a poor from Ethiopia(hypothetical, i dont believe ethiopia is this dystopian) you aren't going to have many rights that the US has, right to trial, shit like this, but I bet you can say whatever you want and I bet within your slum village you can walk all over other villagers to a certain point.
So place and time, that is what defines your human rights.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

I'm not playing ring around the nigger with you, fuck off I concede, Ness.

Good