Marvel Cinematic Universe

[Incecticyder]

Alternatively, they get a previous Spider-Man actor like Andrew Garfield for meta reasons.

I think the reason why Marvel did the whole deal with the devil thing was because even the idea of Peter and MJ getting divorced wouldn't make Peter look good. I forget where I read it from though.

They should have never separated in the first place. Fans liked them as a couple and the bosses failed to understand this. In their minds, the fans are perpetual manchildren that think girls have cooties.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

They should have never separated in the first place. Fans liked them as a couple and the bosses failed to understand this. In their minds, the fans are perpetual manchildren that think girls have cooties.

And even after backlash they are hung up on this idea taht Peter is perpetually a loser and treat him being single as essential to him as DareDevil being blind.

 

[Incecticyder]

And even after backlash they are hung up on this idea taht Peter is perpetually a loser and treat him being single as essential to him as DareDevil being blind.

It is contempt. Contempt for the audience to be specific. Peter is the one man who the audience relates to the most and they have to make him a loser because, in their mind, that is what we are.

 

[UCT]

They should have never separated in the first place. Fans liked them as a couple and the bosses failed to understand this. In their minds, the fans are perpetual manchildren that think girls have cooties.

I believe the reason for the split was because Joe Quasada was divorced or in the process of getting divorced and as EiC he thought he should push his own shitty life issues on a fictional character. Problem is the people behind Spider-Man now are loveless fat, losers who don’t believe in traditional love. That’s why they had MJ cuck Peter with the non-white Paul character when she was in another universe or whatever bullshit Zeb thought was a good story. Honestly we can all blame Nick Spencer, that faggot was right at the finish line and we almost had the marriage but he thought people would care more about his new substack and indie stuff instead of Spider-Man…. When’s the last time you heard of anything from Nick Spencer in the past few years?

 

[Incecticyder]

I believe the reason for the split was because Joe Quasada was divorced or in the process of getting divorced and as EiC he thought he should push his own shitty life issues on a fictional character. Problem is the people behind Spider-Man now are loveless fat, losers who don’t believe in traditional love. That’s why they had MJ cuck Peter with the non-white Paul character when she was in another universe or whatever bullshit Zeb thought was a good story. Honestly we can all blame Nick Spencer, that faggot was right at the finish line and we almost had the marriage but he thought people would care more about his new substack and indie stuff instead of Spider-Man…. When’s the last time you heard of anything from Nick Spencer in the past few years?

Quesada should have been stopped. Someone should have stopped him. Also, Quesada was not the only one to defend that decision. Others did too. As for Spencer, was he not the Hydra Cap guy? I feel that would be a worse blemish on his resume.

 

[UCT]

Quesada should have been stopped. Someone should have stopped him. Also, Quesada was not the only one to defend that decision. Others did too. As for Spencer, was he not the Hydra Cap guy? I feel that would be a worse blemish on his resume.

Quesada wasn’t stopped because a lot of the Marvel editors are losers and wanted the same thing. From what I remember even JMS didn’t want to write OMD or anything like that storyline but it was a push by the higher ups.

Yes Spencer was the Hydra Cap guy, but I thought he made up for it with his Spider-Man run. It wasn’t perfect but it was better than anything we’ve gotten since the early JMS days. He spent a lot of his run fixing things from the bad eras of JMS and Slotts runs, like with Sins Past. It was even revealed that he wanted to undo One More Day and was gearing up for a real wedding arc. I hope that he was pushed out and his new indie stuff was just a cover because he couldn’t shit on Marvel. But idk how do you have the chance to just right the ship and leave to make shitty substack posts?!??

 

[MrJokerRager]

They better have something like this in the movies.

 

[Incecticyder]

Quesada wasn’t stopped because a lot of the Marvel editors are losers and wanted the same thing. From what I remember even JMS didn’t want to write OMD or anything like that storyline but it was a push by the higher ups.

The fact that they wrote OMD and did not undo it yet speaks volumes. Everyone involved in its conception should never be trusted.

Yes Spencer was the Hydra Cap guy, but I thought he made up for it with his Spider-Man run. It wasn’t perfect but it was better than anything we’ve gotten since the early JMS days. He spent a lot of his run fixing things from the bad eras of JMS and Slotts runs, like with Sins Past. It was even revealed that he wanted to undo One More Day and was gearing up for a real wedding arc. I hope that he was pushed out and his new indie stuff was just a cover because he couldn’t shit on Marvel. But idk how do you have the chance to just right the ship and leave to make shitty substack posts?!??

Dunno bro, destroying the Captain America character just for the chance to call half a country Nazis is too much for many people. "Captain America is a Nazi because he represents America and America is Nazi now!" Fuck that. I appreciate trying to undo shit but in the end, he left before he undid enough shit. In my opinion, he should have made an apology for his TDS and started a webcomic.

 

[UCT]

The fact that they wrote OMD and did not undo it yet speaks volumes. Everyone involved in its conception should never be trusted.


Dunno bro, destroying the Captain America character just for the chance to call half a country Nazis is too much for many people. "Captain America is a Nazi because he represents America and America is Nazi now!" Fuck that. I appreciate trying to undo shit but in the end, he left before he undid enough shit. In my opinion, he should have made an apology for his TDS and started a webcomic.

Agreed, which sucks because we are never getting writers and editors on Spider-Man that we can trust ever again. The 616 version is basically dead in the water, thats why I'm shocked they haven't fucked over the new Ultimate Spider-Man yet. Like killed that version of Peter again and had new Miles marry MJ or something lol.

Well technically it wasn't the real Cap but yea I get your point and agree thats why I blame him more than even Zebb Wells. Zebb was never going to give us what we wanted, but Spencer had the chance and was right fucking there man. Fuck his last issue cover literally has MJ in a wedding dress (Dont know if it was the main cover or a alt but its the one I have), he was right fucking there!!

 

[Incecticyder]

Agreed, which sucks because we are never getting writers and editors on Spider-Man that we can trust ever again. The 616 version is basically dead in the water, thats why I'm shocked they haven't fucked over the new Ultimate Spider-Man yet. Like killed that version of Peter again and had new Miles marry MJ or something lol.

Won't happen. Marvel Comics has lost too much money to pull that kind of self-sabotage. You can bet that the creators of OMD want to repeat it but they are not going to be allowed. The new comic features Peter and MJ as a couple because they are THAT desperate. The MCU no longer produces hits like it used to and is spending way too much money. Imagine the MCU being the NBA and Marvel comics being WNBA. The MCU paid for the comics like the NBA pays for the WNBA. However, what happens now is what would have happened if the NBA could not pay for the WNBA. The comics lost their sponsor. They have to make money with good stories and artwork now. They are fucked if they lose SM's audience.

Well technically it wasn't the real Cap but yea I get your point and agree thats why I blame him more than even Zebb Wells. Zebb was never going to give us what we wanted, but Spencer had the chance and was right fucking there man. Fuck his last issue cover literally has MJ in a wedding dress (Dont know if it was the main cover or a alt but its the one I have), he was right fucking there!!

Yeah, real Cap or not, they told us that he was retconned into a sleeper agent and his replacement was a man made of magic from a wish. Not the real flesh and blood human the original Steve was. Too many mistakes were made.

 

[starborn427614]

Re: This week's episode of Daredevil Born Again
I'm glad that Vanessa was the one who set up Luca to die and it wasn't just a failed attempt on Fisk's life by her. It would've ruined her character if she wasn't a truly loyal wife.

 

[Ultraman Orb Dark]

They better have something like this in the movies.

I didn't know Miles Morales was related to Jughead.

 

[Get the rope Macaulay!]

She even had a black kid later (who honestly feels like her dogpurse), so you know why Paul is always some shade of brown to black

literally googled and outside of this photo there aren't many of her with the nig, even AI says she doesn't have kids.

What the fuck just happened? Was a big deal years ago even with normies.

momentum, COVID fucked up the hype and between that and them forcing you to watch a dozen tv shows it became too much for people. like imagine getting into the MCU in 2014, you had to watch 9 films or whatever the fuck. and while that is a lot, for a teen thats just a weekend. even if you watched one film a weekend starting in 2019 you'd have some time before endgame came out.

Now its like 10x the amount of content and very little of it connects vs how it mostly held together throughout the thanos saga. outside of a handful of times you rarely could go "why didn't they call X to help out?", now there are too many plates and very little that is set up pays off, whereas i don't think that ever happened in the thanos saga.

I would be happy if Capeshit just went the way of the Western for a while,

genuinely hate when people compare capeshit to westerns, capeshit is more like musicals, especially of the old hollywood variety, obnoxiously overbudget, usually with the same beats and structure and everything is very sanitized. like how they even remove the word "hoes" from the beastie boys song that plays over the action sequence in GOTG 3. Remember when people tried memeing The Winter Soldier as a spy thriller on par with The Conversation or Tinker Tailer Soldier Spy?

Westerns were closer to horror or porn, everything made as cheaply as possible, the plots didn't have to make sense, some of the better ones aren't even in english and any asshole could make them and did, with performance and action taking center stage but ultimately the content and plots could be extremely varied in a way Superheros can't because of the budgets invovled.

Its like how obviously there's a ton of difference between Hello Dolly, Yankee Doodle Dandy, and The Music Man, but no one gives a fuck.

The reason westerns died out just has to do with the kikes demanding it, CBS got Rural Purged because the jews decided that inner city people were more likely to spend money on goyslop vs western chads, but until then westerns were a beloved genre for 50+ years.

It still is a genre people love to watch and make, and every couple of years one of them makes a fuck load of money, whereas everyone expects a superhero film to clear a quarter billion without breaking a sweat and even the actors involved seem to hate being a part of them. no one enjoys that green screen bullshit.

superhero films dying out leading to such an amazing spread of indie films played out similarly to how the death of musicals lead to new hollywood. there was something like 100 musicals released in the 1960s from hollywood and only a handful of them are beloved by people born after that era, and its going to be the same for superhero films.

 

[Ultraman Orb Dark]

COVID fucked up the hype and between that and them forcing you to watch a dozen tv shows it became too much for people. like imagine getting into the MCU in 2014, you had to watch 9 films or whatever the fuck. and while that is a lot, for a teen thats just a weekend. even if you watched one film a weekend starting in 2019 you'd have some time before endgame came out.

I've seen a few posts claiming that this is what it's like to keep up with the comics, when the whole point of watching movie adaptaions of comics is so people don't have to read the comics.

 

[Get the rope Macaulay!]

I've seen a few posts claiming that this is what it's like to keep up with the comics, when the whole point of watching movie adaptaions of comics is so people don't have to read the comics.

honestly thats why i never got into the MCU vs DC, DC had the entire golden age/silver age/modern timelines all very easy to look up and get caught up to up until flashpoint, it was extremely handy, meanwhile Marvel's like "yeah i know the years don't make sense, go fuck yourself, i dunno maybe instead of vietnam Frank was in some other fucking war, who cares. buy the comic and shut up faggot"

Its also rather telling that Marvel's best years were when they embraced a real time time scale, (1960s) and it got all faggy after that.

That's also why me and honestly most people under 50 went after Manga instead, literally "start at page one in book one" and its that fucking easy, meanwhile outside of those graphic novels everything is so continuity based, especially marvel where the last 20 years there's some new bullshit crossover that stops everything in its tracks all the time.

 

[MrJokerRager]

honestly thats why i never got into the MCU vs DC, DC had the entire golden age/silver age/modern timelines all very easy to look up and get caught up to up until flashpoint, it was extremely handy, meanwhile Marvel's like "yeah i know the years don't make sense, go fuck yourself, i dunno maybe instead of vietnam Frank was in some other fucking war, who cares. buy the comic and shut up faggot"

Its also rather telling that Marvel's best years were when they embraced a real time time scale, (1960s) and it got all faggy after that.

That's also why me and honestly most people under 50 went after Manga instead, literally "start at page one in book one" and its that fucking easy, meanwhile outside of those graphic novels everything is so continuity based, especially marvel where the last 20 years there's some new bullshit crossover that stops everything in its tracks all the time.

The Fantastic 4 still has Johnny as a bachelor from the 1960s to 2020s with the current new run.

The kids Frank and Valerie are still not fully grown up.

And of course different writers in different comics pulling different ass pulls.

Like you have to swap to another comic series to follow the story then switch back after a few months.

Ultimate Ben can switch between Human and the Thing.

But regular Ben feels so cucked that Doom cured him. And some ass pull that curing Ben means the team gets cosmic weaker.

Yet the Maker exists lol outside his own team and universe with the same powers.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

I've seen a few posts claiming that this is what it's like to keep up with the comics, when the whole point of watching movie adaptaions of comics is so people don't have to read the comics.

Which is why I said, "Fuck this! I'm watching anime."

 

[Doctor of Autism]

I will say from what I heard about the new Daredevil show, its apparently very clear which episodes were made by the team pre-overhaul of production and which were made by the new guys (which allegedly are episodes 8 and 9)

 

[Gunslinger Spawn]

I will say from what I heard about the new Daredevil show, its apparently very clear which episodes were made by the team pre-overhaul of production and which were made by the new guys (which allegedly are episodes 8 and 9)

This tbh. I thought episode 7 was still bad but it cleaned up the mess of the previous episodes.
Episode 8 was the first time I felt interested in an episode.
Why did they untie Bullseye's hands though now that was a deadly mistake. (pun intented) They didn't really need to do that to stitch him up. They could have come up with a better excuse.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

This has been a problem since 90s. Hell, IIRC, Gail Simone of all people once called out the anti-christ at Marvel by it's name when she named the jews writers & editors who use their divorces & marital rage to ruin characters in comics. The 4 horsemen of cuckpocalypse being Zeb Wells, Tom Brevoort, Joe Quesada, & Nick Lowe.

I despise this bitch, but she's absolutely right about this. The funny thing is that she also vents her own issues on her writing as if it was therapy. The difference is that she doesn't think it's wrong.

Aside from that, I agree with this spergy thesis. I've read some post 2000 x-men and it's not like the stories are as bad as you mention, the whole thing is mediocre. The art, the dialogues, the stories. It looks like someone who just graduated from art school is trying to experiment. On top of it, it was pure goonery.

And yes, x-men 97 is about to adapt post 2000 stories... That's terrifying.

Rednecks in robot suits fight mutants.

That was adapted in x-men 97. It was good, actually.

The only good this run did as a whole is Juggernaut.

Isn't he gay now?