Is Humpty Dumpty a dead drunk?

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this is the earliest form of the poem:
Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall,
Humpty Dumpty had a great fall;
Four-score men and four-score more,
Could not make Humpty Dumpty where he was before.

I think Humpty Dumpty was supposed to be a clumsy drunken idiot who fell down and died from his injuries. and that he needed over 80 nurses/healers/doctors to put him together but couldn't be because his injuries were too severe so he died.

The rhyme never says he’s an egg, that came much later, mostly from Lewis Carroll’s Through the Looking-Glass (1871), where Humpty is depicted as a talking egg.

No he is not a cannon either; that theory was originally pushed as satire and people took it seriously.
the theory fits well with how the rhyme could’ve been understood colloquially. “Humpty Dumpty” was 17th-century slang for a grotesque unusual, clumsy person, sometimes a drunk one; as well as a type of ale. Imagining him as a drunken fool who fell off a wall, got fatally injured, and then had a whole royal staff try to save him but fail makes a ton of sense when you consider this.

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"Four-score men and four-score more" should be about 160
Either that means he was attended by 80 medical peresonell and 80 new ones switched out or 160 collectively looked after him.

this would only be plausible in St Bartholomew’s during that time period, so if Humpty Dumpty was based on a real person I suspect that this is where they were treated and died.
 
Humpty Dumpty is referenced in pop culture by songwriter Aimee Mann.

Her song uses the nursery rhyme as a launching pad for a life in need of reinvention.

Say you were split, you were split in fragments
And none of the pieces would talk to you
Wouldn't you want to be who you had been
Well baby I want that too


 
All I know is the nursery rhyme from when I was a kid. It was some egg guy that sat on a wall. He fell off the wall and all the kings me couldn't fix his ass.
 
I always heard that it was some sort of satire about some fat pompous king. His fall was a metaphor for falling out of favor, not an actual fall off a wall. And no matter how his courts tried to fix his reputation they couldn't.
 
I always heard that it was some sort of satire about some fat pompous king. His fall was a metaphor for falling out of favor, not an actual fall off a wall. And no matter how his courts tried to fix his reputation they couldn't.
trust me I researched this, it's not a medieval king. if it were that means the poem was passed around for 400 years by mouth perfectly.
 
trust me I researched this, it's not a medieval king. if it were that means the poem was passed around for 400 years by mouth perfectly.
If your hypothesis is correct, a poem about the town drunk getting wasted and falling down was big enough news to get passed around perfectly for 400 years.
 
If your hypothesis is correct, a poem about the town drunk getting wasted and falling down was big enough news to get passed around perfectly for 400 years.
no that's not at all what that means.
The hunchbacked king, who was defeated despite his armies at the Battle of Bosworth in 1485, is allegedly the subject of the rhyme according to the theory you're thinking about is King Richard III of England. in my theory the poem was written right away about a SINGLE man getting drunk falling and getting hurt where he was treated for his injuries but died anyways. In your theory posited by Katherine Elwes Thomas in 1930 theorizes it is King Richard the third. if she's correct that means in your version it had to be passed by mouth until the 1797! It's far more plausible to think that people who already called a humpty dumpty a grotesque person, a drunk person, and a type of ale to write a poem about a dead drunk than it is a king who died 400 years earlier especially based on such a badly written theory. she talks about the kings horses (which isn't in the original) and refers to his hunched back, which he didn't have, though he did have scoliosis
 
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