US US Politics General 2: Hope Edition - Discussion of President Trump and other politicians

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Should be a wild four years.

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Debbie Macomber dijo:
People saying the $5000 for every taxpayer should go to the debt is missing the point, it makes the money real

You can tell people "We saved $5000 worth for every taxpayer" but if the money doesn't hit your account, do you give a shit? Especially if it gets reinvested in the debt, so for the individual, everything goes on the same as if $0 were saved?

People have said before that if employers didn't withhold tax, but you got the full amount and then had to save it and write a huge check every year, that would make it real and the average person would demand to know how every cent of their tax dollars are being spent and be more outraged at waste, vs "I dunno, I got the same amount in the bank I always do and I hear on the news some money I never get did something or other that didn't hurt me either way, so whatever."

$5000 DOGE savings returned to every taxpayer would be the same in reverse. Everyone who gets the $5000 and spends it on something they always wanted or needed but couldn't get will think "THIS is how much of my money the government was wasting? What the fuck were they wasting it on? I'll NEVER vote again for any politician that wants to go back to wasting MY $5000 every year!"

Then when they hear on the news some government program wasted a trillion dollars, they'll think "How much of MY money did that just waste? How many new computers/car payments/apartment deposits of MINE was that worth?"
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Very well said. Hell, even $1500 would be a genius political maneuver and would do wonders for getting the non-chronically online demcorats on DOGE's side. I feel like this has a high likelihood of happening now that they've overtly come out and said that they're considering it knowing that the people would start to anticipate it, optics are super key right now to justify these audits and it would be a major blunder if they can't deliver.
 
The Last Stand dijo:
What would you use your $5000 on, hypothetically? Anybody could answer this.
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Anyone could use their $5000 on anything they want. After all, it’s their money that was stolen by the government that’s just being given back to them. Now someone could use it to buy stupid shit or useful shit, it’s really just up to them.
clipartfan92 dijo:
I don't own any weapons, but I would suggest you buy weapons and ammunition with that money.
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Actually you know what, I do still need to buy a gun. I don’t have one yet.
 
clipartfan92 dijo:
I don't own any weapons, but I would suggest you buy weapons and ammunition with that money.
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Oh shit, you're right.

I want to get a revolver and call it Joan. A more elegant weapon from a simpler time. Of course, THAT would be for display purposes.

I hear good things about Glocks for home defense and conceal carries.
 
The Last Stand dijo:
What would you use your $5000 on, hypothetically? Anybody could answer this.
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Could put it towards the chicken coop I've been wanting to buy and still have plenty left over for chickens, could put it towards paying off some debts I owe, could use it pay a little extra on my mortgage, could invest it, honestly, what couldn't I do with $5k?
 
The problem with moving so fast is that now they're throwing out ideas that sometimes contradict their previous stated goals.

5 thousand to every voter would blow a hole in the deficit that is as big as the one they're trying to close. 500 would be very doable and could be thought of as a "tariff dividend".
 
Breadbassket dijo:
Libs are dancing at the Kennedy Center to protest the Trump takeover.

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Why do they do this? Am I too autistic to understand, or are they too retarded to have a working theory of mind for other people? I get they might not think this signals anything to their opponents, maybe it is an in-group signal, but are there really people out there who see this cringe shit and are moved by it? I feel like this is all a performance for a non-existent audience.
 
Dafuqisdis? dijo:
The problem with moving so fast is that now they're throwing out ideas that sometimes contradict their previous stated goals.

5 thousand to every voter would blow a hole in the deficit that is as big as the one they're trying to close. 500 would be very doable and could be thought of as a "tariff dividend".
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The actual tax burden is over $100,000 per person
 
SpergioLeonne dijo:
I think we should’ve been doing that since 1991
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We were. The entire western world went out of its way to normalise relations with Russia all through the 90s and early 2000s, with the intent of increasing economic integration and cooperation, in order to help bring Russia up out of the doldrums created by the collapse of the soviet union. The US sought a full trade relationship with Russia and wanted to increase military and trade coordination. European leaders assumed Russia would want to trade on fair terms for mutual benefit and pursued a policy of wide economic integration.

Russia, under Putin, used that growing economic integration as a tool to divide Europe against itself, subtly or not-so-subtly using its stranglehold on European gas and oil supplies to manipulate EU governments. Particularly germany. In this way it neutered any possibility of a coherent response to his invasions of Georgia and Chechnya, and in the process reverted to its cold war isolationism and belligerence toward the west. Trump himself warned the leaders of Europe about a repeat this same thing in the run-up to the Ukraine invasion, but they were still caught up in the belief that trade would eventually bring Russia back to the table.

This idea that Russia has been unjustly isolated since the 90s is bunk; Russia put itself in this position.
 
Dafuqisdis? dijo:
The problem with moving so fast is that now they're throwing out ideas that sometimes contradict their previous stated goals.

5 thousand to every voter would blow a hole in the deficit that is as big as the one they're trying to close. 500 would be very doable and could be thought of as a "tariff dividend".
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No, it wouldn't. This isn't the same as a stimulus check where the money is printed out of thin air; it's already in circulation. It's also not every voter; it's every taxpayer of which there are less than 150m (much less, considering these are just people that filed taxes last year - I would guess just shy of a hundred million people is the accurate number of people that actually paid taxes).
 
teriyakiburns dijo:
We were. The entire western world went out of its way to normalise relations with Russia all through the 90s and early 2000s, with the intent of increasing economic integration and cooperation, in order to help bring Russia up out of the doldrums created by the collapse of the soviet union. The US sought a full trade relationship with Russia and wanted to increase military and trade coordination. European leaders assumed Russia would want to trade on fair terms for mutual benefit and pursued a policy of wide economic integration.

Russia, under Putin, used that growing economic integration as a tool to divide Europe against itself, subtly or not-so-subtly using its stranglehold on European gas and oil supplies to manipulate EU governments. Particularly germany. In this way it neutered any possibility of a coherent response to his invasions of Georgia and Chechnya, and in the process reverted to its cold war isolationism and belligerence toward the west. Trump himself warned the leaders of Europe about a repeat this same thing in the run-up to the Ukraine invasion, but they were still caught up in the belief that trade would eventually bring Russia back to the table.

This idea that Russia has been unjustly isolated since the 90s is bunk; Russia put itself in this position.
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As soon as the iron curtain came down, we sent in venture capitalists to buy entire factories at fire sale prices. Russia thought we were investing in them. We shipped the machinery to China and closed the plants to tell them to fuck themselves

Edit: click disagree all you want, I was alive at the time and remember my dad talking about it as it was happening.

I saw the Berlin Wall come down, and just a few years later I saw us piss on it
 
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Breadbassket dijo:
Former Vikings punter Chris Kluwe was arrested at a City Council Meeting in Huntington Beach, CA. He came to protest against a MAGA sign and called MAGA a “Nazi movement.“ He then called for “civil disobedience” before walking up to the council members where he was arrested.

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Wow, another ghost of Gamergate past here. He looks like shit. It's remarkable how many of these people have aged like milk.
Breadbassket dijo:
Libs are dancing at the Kennedy Center to protest the Trump takeover.

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Just completely broken and the first I heard of any Kennedy Center protesting. Too bad the Democrats are too busy fighting for their right to launder money through color revolutions to give a shit about Trump upending the Kennedy Center. This is, like, the 23rd thing they are having to be concerned about at the moment.
 
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