UK UK economy had zero growth between July and September


The UK economy had zero growth between July and September, revised official figures show.

The revised data comes after a series of disappointing figures including inflation rising at its fastest pace for eight months and the economy unexpectedly shrinking in October.

One of the UK's leading business groups, the CBI, said its latest company survey suggested "the economy is headed for the worst of all worlds".

Chancellor Rachel Reeves said the challenge to fix the economy "after 15 years of neglect is huge", while shadow chancellor Mel Stride said Monday's figures showed "growth has tanked on Labour's watch".

The revised figure will be a blow to the government which has made boosting the economy its top priority.

Labour has promised to deliver the highest sustained economic growth in the G7 group of the world's richest nations.

Businesses have already warned that measures announced in October's Budget including a rise in employer national insurance contributions (NICs) and a higher minimum wage could push them into cutting jobs and raising prices.

These Budget changes come into effect in April. But Stride said the latest figures from the three months before the October Budget signal "the warning lights are flashing" on how the economy will fare into 2025.

Reeves said Labour's Budget would "deliver sustainable long-term growth, putting more money in people's pockets through increased investment and relentless reform."

Liberal Democrat treasury spokesperson, Daisy Cooper called on the government to reverse the national insurance tax hike on small businesses and scrap the business rates system.

Job cuts and price rises​

The CBI, which claims to represent 170,000 firms, said its survey based on responses of 899 firms between 25 November and 12 December, found private sector businesses across all industries expected a "steep decline in activity" in the first three months in 2025.

"Expectations are now at their weakest in over two years," said Alpesh Paleja, the CBI's interim deputy chief economist.

A separate survey by the British Retail Consortium, which represents UK retailers ranging from Marks and Spencer to Tesco, suggested a "January spending squeeze on the horizon" for consumers.

It said "public confidence in the state of the economy took a nosedive" this month, according to its consumer sentiment survey.

"With sales growth unable to keep pace, retailers will have no choice but to raise prices or cut costs – closing stores and freezing recruitment," said Helen Dickinson, chief executive of the BRC.

Mick Dore, general manager of the Alexander pub in Wimbledon, said its costs would rise in April due to the rise in national insurance contributions it makes for its 50 to 60 staff.

"All of December we've been crazy busy with loads and loads of work parties," he told BBC Breakfast. "There are cost implications going forward and we have to have a good Christmas to insulate ourselves against that."

But he said he was optimistic about business next year.

"I generally think as a whole we are going to be ok. I've been around a long time now and each time they've told me the end is nigh it never has been."

'Teeing up a recession?'​

Paul Dales, chief economist at Capital Economics, said there was "no doubt that some business and households put spending and investment on hold around the Budget". But he said it was "too soon to see any genuine effect of Labour policies".

He said it would be a matter of time before the drag from higher interest rates gave way to a boost from lower rates but he expected to see an improvement in the second half of next year.

Simon French, chief economist at Panmure Liberum said the revised figures were consistent "with a lot of other indicators we've seen since the July general election that've shown a loss of momentum in the economy".

He said there was a question over whether this was a typical slowdown as seen after previous general elections which later picked up or "whether this is something more problematic teeing up a recession next year".

The Bank of England voted to hold interest rates on Thursday, stating it thought the UK economy had performed worse than expected, with no growth at all between October and December.

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The UK economy is measured by gross domestic product - a measure of all the economic activity of companies, governments and people in the country.

The ONS puts out initial estimates on the UK's economic performance and revises them once it receives more data.

On Monday it also revised down growth figures for April to June to 0.4% from 0.5%.
It said the economy was weaker than initially estimated as bars and restaurants, legal firms and advertising firms performed less well.

"Real household disposable income per head showed no growth," ONS director of economic statistics Liz McKeown said.
 
This is obviously a lie. It has shrunk and everyone knows it.

Has been shrinking for a while. And it's no natural shrinkage either, that shit is withering like a rotting apple shriveling up.
The world is currently fudging the numbers of every economy to convince the proles that everything is fine, that we need more of the third world imported, and not to vote those dastardly populists into power.
 
I’ve just been round for dinner at one side of the family. The main topic of conversation over the prawn cocktail was how much everyone hates kier starmer and how completely fucked the Uk is. Nice to see everyone united at this time of year…. One couple left the uk 6 years ago for work and are back for a visit. They are horrid at how much worse everything is - they’re not posted in the first world either.
 
I’ve just been round for dinner at one side of the family. The main topic of conversation over the prawn cocktail was how much everyone hates kier starmer and how completely fucked the Uk is. Nice to see everyone united at this time of year…. One couple left the uk 6 years ago for work and are back for a visit. They are horrid at how much worse everything is - they’re not posted in the first world either.
Its only been 173 days since Keir became Prime Minister and he couldn't reverse fourteen years of the Tories fucking things up till the point that they collapsed the economy during COVID?
wtf?
 
They clearly need to import more useless brown eaters to make line go up again.
It's funny, over the last 20 years or so open borders propaganda has repeated again and again and again that immigration is a proposition without any downsides, in fact it would be a positive which would lead to a feedback loop of over increasing prosperity for the all people, natives and new arrivals, instead.
Meanwhile both the UK and Canada have tried the same and underperform on every economic metric.
Maybe humans aren't interchangeable widgets and maybe economies can't run exclusively on financial services, real estate speculation and construction bubbles after all.
 
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Its only been 173 days since Keir became Prime Minister and he couldn't reverse fourteen years of the Tories fucking things up till the point that they collapsed the economy during COVID?
wtf?

Oh no that isn't the thing Brits are mad about.

It's the fact he hasn't even tried. He literally changed nothing from the previous Tory administration. I mean, he changed some things but all for the worse.

Kier is actually amazing on how bad he is. He makes Richi Sunak look charismatic. It's straight up baffling.
 
Its only been 173 days since Keir became Prime Minister and he couldn't reverse fourteen years of the Tories fucking things up till the point that they collapsed the economy during COVID?
wtf?
That’s not what people were saying. Nobody liked the last iteration of Tory/WEF bum-buddies either. The general mood was that all flavours of current year politician are determined to run the country into the floor and ‘we need something done about it.’
A distinct rejection of ALL the current political status quo. A distinct acknowledgment from a bunch of normies that they’re all in the pockets of WEF/business/globalist interests. Starmer and his speed running the final steps over the cliff were condemned, on a background of ‘the last decent one was {various 1990 era politicians} .’ People are pissed off.

This is a fairly diverse bunch of people politics-wise. From hardcore lefties to actual Tory party insiders. Every single person there was united in thinking ‘the current lot’ is the worse thing ever. That’s a big deal. Then we all decided to stop talking about it and pull some crackers. I’m sure they’ll all carry on arguing as they get more drunk but I’ve had to leave to finish the wrapping and stuff for tomorrow.
 
More like European Kenya, you think Indian and Chinese billionaires will just let the assets they bought up (like the Royal Mail) go to 0?
I mean, the people who shit in the streets of their own country probably don't care one way or the other. I have no clue what China thinks, but I doubt either one would care all that much.
I'm hoping I'll get to see some kind of revolution in Europe in my lifetime. I don't even care if it's a commie revolution. I just want to know if Englishmen have any balls or if an urbanized, post-modern existence has turned them all into doughy, alcoholic Ken dolls.
from the words of an englishman: "Don't wanna make a fuss."
 
Oh no that isn't the thing Brits are mad about.

It's the fact he hasn't even tried. He literally changed nothing from the previous Tory administration. I mean, he changed some things but all for the worse.

Kier is actually amazing on how bad he is. He makes Richi Sunak look charismatic. It's straight up baffling.
why would 2 tier keir change anything? labor is pretty transparent about wanting what the tories wanted in private. the rapefugees came under tory government.
 
Its only been 173 days since Keir became Prime Minister and he couldn't reverse fourteen years of the Tories fucking things up till the point that they collapsed the economy during COVID?
wtf?
He’s a Davos stooge that is trying to tax small businesses out of existence and import the third world to make low skilled jobs so poorly paid only boat monkeys will do them. I have to fight the urge to fedpost every time he’s mentioned.
 
Its only been 173 days since Keir became Prime Minister and he couldn't reverse fourteen years of the Tories fucking things up till the point that they collapsed the economy during COVID?
wtf?
But he HAS changed things. The farmers will lose their farms, with the inheritance tax. The winter fuel allowance is gone. ALL of them thought the response to the riots was ‘not fair.’ I have never seen this bunch of people so united or fed up and I’ve known them my entire life. Even the hardcore lefty and the student age ones were glumly agreeing. If that’s repeated across the country then there’s a mood for change. I lightly dropped in a ‘would you vote for someone completely new?’ And the answer was yes. Can’t be worse can it? People are really pissed off.
 
But he HAS changed things. The farmers will lose their farms, with the inheritance tax. The winter fuel allowance is gone. ALL of them thought the response to the riots was ‘not fair.’ I have never seen this bunch of people so united or fed up and I’ve known them my entire life. Even the hardcore lefty and the student age ones were glumly agreeing. If that’s repeated across the country then there’s a mood for change. I lightly dropped in a ‘would you vote for someone completely new?’ And the answer was yes. Can’t be worse can it? People are really pissed off.
its a continuation of Theresa May's shitty brexit plan isn't it? instead of coming up with a real plan when people voted leave the tories half assed 3 or 4 plans ultimately ending with a pittance for the farmers. the northern ireland question was pretty bad too
 
its a continuation of Theresa May's shitty brexit plan isn't it? instead of coming up with a real plan when people voted leave the tories half assed 3 or 4 plans ultimately ending with a pittance for the farmers. the northern ireland question was pretty bad too
Yeah, the Tories were just as Europhile as everyone else in British politics, just on the down low.
 
This is just the tip of the iceberg

In 3 months they will "revise" the numbers even lower when they think people aren't paying attention. And don't forget this is after they've played with the stats already so only God above knows what the real numbers are.
 
Starmer keeps his job and Truss was sacked. The whole thing is a fucking fix.
The difference is that the tory party made it incredibly easy to oust a leader, whereas labour made it incredibly difficult. Kier is undoubtedly unpopular with his own party, but the mechanism to remove him requires at least 20% of the sitting party to not only agree that he should be removed, but also to nominate a replacement, after which the party national executive makes up the process and timetable for a subsequent leadership election process. They can effectively kill a leadership challenge at this point, or arrange matters so that it takes weeks or even months for the process to begin. By comparison, all the tories have to do is convince the 1922 committee to call a confidence vote, at which point a leadership election is triggered, with a strict timetable based on the number of declared candidates.
 
Its only been 173 days since Keir became Prime Minister and he couldn't reverse fourteen years of the Tories fucking things up till the point that they collapsed the economy during COVID?
wtf?
How many more native sons of the island do you think he needs to imprison for protesting the migrant murder of little children before everything is fixed?
 
The difference is that the tory party made it incredibly easy to oust a leader, whereas labour made it incredibly difficult. Kier is undoubtedly unpopular with his own party, but the mechanism to remove him requires at least 20% of the sitting party to not only agree that he should be removed, but also to nominate a replacement, after which the party national executive makes up the process and timetable for a subsequent leadership election process. They can effectively kill a leadership challenge at this point, or arrange matters so that it takes weeks or even months for the process to begin. By comparison, all the tories have to do is convince the 1922 committee to call a confidence vote, at which point a leadership election is triggered, with a strict timetable based on the number of declared candidates.
Don't the actual unions have massive influence over who becomes leader in the Labour Party as well?
 
Don’t worry guys I’m sure Gary Lineker, who loves migrants, throws fits that his own kids are too stupid for uni, and basically refuses to pay tax, will have some ideas about how to fix it. I’m sure all of your media personalities who can’t think their way out of a paper bag and refuse to pay their share know *exactly* why this is the Tories’ fault and why more migration will right the ship.
 
Don't the actual unions have massive influence over who becomes leader in the Labour Party as well?
It depends on the backbone of the leaders. Under Miliband they were pretty much writing policy, under Blair they got a thank you card of all the cash.

I don’t understand how it’s legal for them to have that much influence.
 
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