Indiana Jones and the Great Circle

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Xev dijo:
I don't get how there are so many absolute die hard Indiana Jones fans out there over rating this middling game. There hasn't been a good Indy movie in decades yet there are still tons of Indy autists out there giving this pos 8's, 9's and 10's? Hell I wanted to be Indiana Jones when I was a kid, I was a huge fan. This game is just not it.
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I mean, are there though? The number of reviews and especially players this game has is mediocre at best.
 
Weltraumfürst dijo:
I will say that it irritates me how Indy is fighting nazis again when, before the buyout, that only happened in 2/4 movies and I'm sick of it.
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Indiana Jones as a property is based on 1940s adventure serials, pulp novels and adventure movies among other things, things like Four Graves from Cairo, Sahara, Doc Savage, Fu Manchu shit, Lawrence of Arabia (to a lesser extent), Kelleys Heroes (to a lesser extent) etc. So the Nazisploitation element makes sense with how much the exaggeration of Himmlers Occult Division and the Thule Society became an essential trope in Nazi media. Ofc Spielberg is Jewish so it also makes sense from that perspective. I havent read much of the comics but a lot of it is more of the same, some ominous bad entity tries to use ancient artifact to take over the world and treasure hunter must save it, get the girl etc etc. Again given the history of Himmlers Occult Division and Thule Society, said ominous entity being Nazis fits the best although it could be anyone tbh. Its just that in the modern world, massive propagandistic recency bias towards the holocaust so you cannot escape it.
 
Soi Woh Jak dijo:
Indiana Jones as a property is based on 1940s adventure serials, pulp novels and adventure movies among other things, things like Four Graves from Cairo, Sahara, Doc Savage, Fu Manchu shit, Lawrence of Arabia (to a lesser extent), Kelleys Heroes (to a lesser extent) etc. So the Nazisploitation element makes sense with how much the exaggeration of Himmlers Occult Division and the Thule Society became an essential trope in Nazi media. Ofc Spielberg is Jewish so it also makes sense from that perspective. I havent read much of the comics but a lot of it is more of the same, some ominous bad entity tries to use ancient artifact to take over the world and treasure hunter must save it, get the girl etc etc. Again given the history of Himmlers Occult Division and Thule Society, said ominous entity being Nazis fits the best although it could be anyone tbh. Its just that in the modern world, massive propagandistic recency bias towards the holocaust so you cannot escape it.
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The wolfensteins after the first one and before 2014 also partially had this vibe.
They were heavily focused on supernatural threats, with nazis looking for powerful artifacts and zombies and shit being involved.
While the zombies in the first game for examplr were a result of scientific experiments.
 
Ali della Fenice dijo:
The wolfensteins after the first one and before 2014 also partially had this vibe.
They were heavily focused on supernatural threats, with nazis looking for powerful artifacts and zombies and shit being involved.
While the zombies in the first game for examplr were a result of scientific experiments.
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It's been there since the 70s. Before everything related to the wwii all became jewified ie denazification propaganda, there were some other genres of WWII media like the men on mission genre, the WWII spy genre, the wwii adventure genre etc. Nazisploitation was a subgenre among that crowd which officially started with ilsa she wolf of the ss and the night porter. It was an attempt to take Nazis and make them pornographic obscene bdsm caricatures with occult aspects. What Indiana Jones does is it combines the pulp format from stuff like conan and doc savage (travel from x to y, gain item/artifact, fight bad guys etc) with the WWII spy genre (James bond to some degree) while adding some nazisploitation elements (human experimentation, esoteric pagan cults, old artifacts). Stuff like wolfenstein, bloodrayne, Hellboy, Cod Zombies etc leans more into nazisploitation without the porn to comment on like ethics and industrialization (the nazis will go to any extent to manufacture inhuman things to destroy their opponents). It's also funny that you mention wolfenstein cause the fan game wolfenstein blade of agony has a level based in Egypt to reference the African campaign led by rommel and associated media which were set in that. That level has an Indiana Jones wanted poster and couple other references. But a lot of it is based on actual history since himmlers occult division existed and the Thule society was a progenitor to the NSDAP with its ideas of nordic racial mysticism, Aryan paganism, Julius evola philosophy etc.
 
Illuminati Order Official dijo:
It was pretty much like this even before the buyout.
Nazis - two movies (Raiders, Crusade), three games with original story (Fate of Atlantis, Emperor's Tomb, Staff of Kings - unless you count Desktop Adventures as a proper Indy game, then it's four).
Soviets - one movie (Crystal Skull), one game (Infernal Machine)
A cult - one movie (Temple of Doom)
I would happily welcome a game where Indy faces a cult or some other non-political organization, like in the Temple of Doom.
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If they ever make DLC I want Indy vs Cthulhu. And no, not Pulp Cthulhu but the real deal.
 

Did they use different writes for Vatican City vs Gizeh in Indiana Jones and the Great Circle?​


Vatican City felt like old school Indy movies, Indy behaved and spoke in the gruff and tough manner made famous in the trilogy, the characters (particularly the priest, excellent character) and interactions aren't shoehorned in and you certainly don't sniff any post modernist weirdo jargon. Indy even has a couple voice lines that are respectful or even praising religion, something I'd never expect from a modern AAA game. It makes sense that Indy would be knowledgeable about and respectful of Catholicism - he did go to Sunday School.

Then you get to Gizeh, and there is a complete 180 in Indy's mannerisms and his interaction with Gina.

In VC, Indy kept to his "I work alone" schtick and Gina, the newly introduced sidekick character, kept pestering him in clever ways and eventually, like a father, Indy gave in and let Gina tag along, where she wound up helping him in the long run. Nothing forced, Indy isn't emasculated, no alarms ring in the intuition. Once they get on the zeppelin, however, this interaction flips and now its Indy shyly pestering Gina for information on her life, asking her to let him tag along to find her sister. Indy is all of a sudden gentler, duller, and you get the sense he's just a sidekick to Gina and her lesbian friend - a mere supplement to their journey. Indy talks and behaves as if the zeppelin evaporated 50% of his testosterone.

One of the first lines in Gizeh that sticks out wildly is from Voss in the car - "there's nothing more easy to manipulate than an insecure male." I think they pulled that line from a freshman year gender studies paper! There was nothing like that in VC, almost as if they were trying to suck you in with the good writing before unleashing the dogshit once you're already hooked.

Take the intro to Nawal with the snake. Yes, Indy's scared of snakes but he freaks out, looking like a buffoon in the process while the two women look upon him patronizingly, as a mother might look upon her toddler. Nawal wryly tells him to feed the snake and instead of just saying no, as you'd expect, Indy, like a toddler, begrudgingly agrees. He then undergoes a goofball 2 minute background tantrum trying to feed a snake while the two women talk about whats really important - making it clear these two strong, intelligent women don't need a man like Indy, who is reduced to a childlike buffoon. He finally steps around the veranda and says "I fed the snake" like a kid saying he finally tied his shoes. And of course, Nawal is lesbian, because why make anything subtle?

Bottom line, Indy seemed to be neutered going from VC to Gizeh, with a tonal shift from OG Indiana Jones to a thesis in postmodernism. Did they use different writers for the two regions ?
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Here we have it, more subtle woke shit, and they didnt think we would notice.
 
I'll have to take others' word for it but I couldn't even get past the vatican, game is just so terminally dull and generic. Also don't make me sneak around and give me a whip if I can't even use it to extinguish lights, you dicks.
 
Illuminati Order Official dijo:
They did it with Sherlock Holmes (Sherlock Holmes: The Awakened) so I don't see why it wouldn't work with Indiana Jones if done correctly.
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eh, while it's all "pulp", for me indiana jones punching a shoggoth doesn't sound that enticing. it would either make the cthulhu part silly, or add a much more serious tone to whatever indy chases this time - don't get me wrong for indy it was always "serious", but in a playful way with enough levity, not "futile struggle against cosmic forces you can't comprehend" nihilism.
 
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FedPostalService dijo:
I take it this game is really short? The few people I saw who were streaming it seemed to be dome with it after a few streams.
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It's like 8 hours main campaign maybe 10 if you suck at games. There's some generic fetch the mcguffin side quests that stretch it to maybe 12 hours tops.

It's a movie game so like 3 hours of that 8 is cutscenes.

If you must play it get it on gamepass.
 
Im finding it quite the slog. I just got to himalaya and I think there's 2 more locations?
I try to do some side questa as well but they all are the same more or less.
Game is prolly really short if you only do the main quest.
 
Illuminati Order Official dijo:
Maybe without including actual Old Ones because you are not supposed to encounter one of them and survive, but a cult, some artifacts and a hint of Old Ones being involved could work.
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True Detective S1 is still the best adaptation of cosmic horror that I've ever seen, because it's pretty much exactly that. Any supernatural stuff is implied at best.
 
FieldPiece dijo:
At least this is entertainingly dumb. It also wouldn't be that out of character for a high ranking Nazi. Reading the letters and diaries of dudes like Goebbles there are some incredibly autistic lines that read like straight up comedy. I reccomend reading Human Smoke. It's the best book about WW2 imo and shows just how retarded everyone on all sides of the war was. One of the best Goebbles entries goes something like "Hitler is a true friend and my light in the dark, I love Hitler and Hitler loves me!" It's hysterical. The entries about Churchill worrying about how many jews were in law school was also funny.

The game looks like it might play similar to the Riddick games so I might end up playing it.
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Please get me the exact quote because I want to read and share it.
 
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