Shit wrong thread, ignore this
It's the right opinion, though.
I’ve been suggested to read Immortal Hulk by a friend because he liked it and he knows I’m a big enjoyer of Hulk, but I definitely get other arguments from another friend who hated the story and from what I’ve been spoiled of it, there’s parts that fundamentally breaks the character, how can say this without getting into too much, imagine the Spider-Totem storyline where they wanted to make out that “it’s your destiny to be Spider-Man” and it wasn’t the radioactive spider that gave you powers, but it was MAGIC! So there’s definitely cases where I can be mixed on taking suggestions to read, but when it comes to one thing I did get recommended but I actually enjoyed was the Manga Shy which is a good story with an exploration on complex conflicting emotions you wouldn’t expect, and aspirational values that I decided to collect more volumes.
I believe that was something Peter David noticed when he was first writing The Incredible Hulk, as to quote from the Visionary titles;
| “He felt McFarlane had a lot of potential and originally wanted him on G.I. Joe. But Todd's storytelling was incredibly weak and Larry Hama, the G.I. Joe maven, didn't want the tyro artist cutting teeth on his, Larry's, book. So Bob asked me if Todd's pencils were acceptable to me, or if he should start looking for another artist.” -Peter David |
it was literally just the design. the first 5 issues are pretty good but after that spawn goes on to be terrible for the next 180 issues that I read after downloading on the pirate bay and the 15 after that came out while I was in high school. it's a good looking character, cool concept. the book is shit. always was shit. the HBO show elevated that early shit to super high bar that nothing outside of it (in the first 200 issues) ever matched. some of the spin offs I liked, but I would never go back to any of the main series again besides the first 5 issues. if I thought it was horribly written as a 15 year old I probably couldn't finish a 20 page random issue as a grown man.
To me, Watchmen has a limited appeal. It's appealing for people who want to read about politics in comics without it turning into a modern-day shitfest between Trump fans and SJWs, but there were more than a few inconsistencies that take you out of the story. Like, why the hell does America fear a nuclear war with the Soviets when Dr. Manhattan could probably spawn enough clones of himself to obstruct and teleport the Soviet nukes into space? Hell, the Soviet Union has most of its cities in the western part of the USSR; Doc Manhattan, according to the lore notes, could devastate large parts of the Soviet landscape, so if he did that to the western USSR, there'd be no Cold War left.
Moore didn’t overlook them, these details completely miss the point of the plot and characters involved. Ozy’s plan hinges on a new and fundamental force becoming uncontrollable from the outset as an overarching metaphor for the nuclear bomb to humanity as a whole. This required a private entity experimenting in theoretical physics, something not occurring in the USSR post-space-race, to act as a patsy for his plan.
But the thing is, if he targeted the Commies instead, not only would it lead to Red China and the USSR getting crippled, but Rorshach would probably agree with it and say that it was necessary to win the war. Anticommunist that he is, he'd probably relish it if millions of Commies died, and Ozy's plans would have no chance of being revealed because the one guy who could reveal it, would not.
So I looked into the book again, and he does have plans to escalate things to killing more people across the globe if the New York squid doesn’t work. But you’re giving Ozymandias too much credit: he never even considered Rorschach in the first place. Despite being The Smartest Man Alive, Ozy isn’t omniscient like Doctor Manhattan is, and considered Manhattan the only real threat to his plans. The story isn’t how Ozy solved the Cold War, written in an era when sudden nuclear war was still in the public consciousness; it’s a story about how, in order for a parallel society of vigilantes and villains to arise from a world with no super powers and limited super science, the individuals in said parallel society would have to be foundationally deranged to a man. Ozy’s character flaw is that he believes the ends justify the means, resulting in him being no more than a mass-murdering hypocrite.
If he was going to be a mass-murdering hypocrite, the least he could've been is a mass-murdering hypocrite who kills the enemy instead of his own countrymen. I mean, there was no guarantee the Soviets won't just attack when they see America shaken by an alien attack. Knowing the real-world Soviets, they'd probably think the aliens are on their side and they'd make use of the opening that the attack on NYC caused. But I suppose gambling people's lives based on his idiotic logic is par for the course for Ozy.
You're missing the forest for the trees here. Him killing his own countrymen is a major element to what makes him a hypocrite. Ozymandias doesn't realize he's a hypocrite. The only character in the entire comic that exemplifies what it takes to actually be a hero at the end and not stand for costumed psychopaths killing en masse was Rorschach, whom you're expected to be an inherently bad person because he's written to be the political opposition of Alan Moore.
Correction-Rorschach was written to be intentionally bad by Alan Moore, who wants people to agree with Ozy that the ends justify the means, and the peace Ozy bought with innocent lives was going to be ruined by Rorschach. It's just that, like with all British liberals, Moore underestimated how much people would love Rorschach, and he accidentally created a character people adored for standing up for the innocent and for his values.
