The Elites Won't Back Down on Immigration - Their worldview explained

They don't give a shit about economics. If they did, they wouldn't be importing the worst human elements into society en masse whilst ignoring all data that shows it's turning the place into a sewer.
They don't think there's a such thing as the "worst human elements." They think of themselves as gods who are able to raise doctors and engineers up out of Somali migrants. The fact they haven't yet is something they blame on others.
 
I can't speak to Europe, but these threads on the riots and goings-on there have been very eye-opening.

In America's case, I tend to go with the most simple reasoning, and work from there. To me, it seems like every American politician just wants to secure votes. Democrat politicians used to be anti immigration and approve immigration bans/regulations. That was the public opinion at the time. Then over the last 20 or so years, they realized they could weaponize illegal immigrants, give them rights, and the ability to vote. This keeps the Democrats in power forever, and gives them an entire subservient demographic who is held hostage, their entire lifestyle is at risk if Democrats lose power. Continue letting more illegals in, create "Dreamers" who are now natural born citizens, give them the ability to work, drive, and vote through the refusal to implement Voter I.D.

The Democrat Party has been running a psy-op to make immigration a moral issue. They've also created the false narrative that America's national identity is that of a country who openly accepts any and all immigrants. When in reality we have had major immigration regulations for 90% of our country's existence. So bleeding hearts happily open their gates to a bunch of bums who couldn't give a shit about them. This double-think also applies to the concept of Voter I.D. , something most other countries use. In times like this, why should we not verify someone's citizenship before they vote on the nation's future? This seems like a no-brainier. But the left's most lazy but effective psy-op ensued when they convinced their constituent dullards that Voter I.D. is racist... I guess most other democratic nations in the world are racist, not only for their Voter I.D., but for their closed borders. Does anyone ever notice all the Leftists you know are the kids who hated history in school, and sucked at it? (Women included)

But the party of feelings cannot stomach any action which makes them feel yucky, so the ignorant are tricked into accepting their own destruction. I've had many discussions with leftist friends who deny the impact of illegal immigration, and claim there is no official data to support my claims. Gee, I wonder why they are called "undocumented" immigrants fella. I can't foresee an event causing America to wake the hell up and reject this immigration. Unless Trumpdawg gets into office, our future looks grim. Luckily the American land mass is insanely large, and one could feasibly move from city to city to avoid illegal immigrants and have a good future for their children.
 
Simple counterpoint: they just want Europeans gone, and they realized long ago that miscegenation is the way to do it. Europeans have historically been too good at war to be demographically destroyed that way, so other methods had to be used.

No need for romantic ideas and mental gymnastics. EG:
  • They actually don't give a shit about war. Look at what they've done to the middle east, and what they're doing in Ukraine and Palestine. They do nothing but escalate, because there's nothing they love more than the sight of their dead foes.
  • They don't give a shit about economics. If they did, they wouldn't be importing the worst human elements into society en masse whilst ignoring all data that shows it's turning the place into a sewer. They also wouldn't allow them to sit on welfare the moment they get here
  • They don't believe we are all the same. They've been constructing a new racial hierarchy post ww2, and you can get away with murder if you're the right shade of scum. Current projections point toward a desire to remove all rights from Europeans (diversity quotas and two-tier policing is just the beginning)
  • They don't give a shit about racial harmony. They permit and encourage newcomers to riot and act like scum against the native populations. If they had some kind of kumbaya mixed race utopia in mind, they wouldn't be giving durkhammad only 180 hours of community service for raping white children (but they would if they simply hated Europeans)
A minority of retard boomers and braindead lefties in power might believe in what OP is suggesting, and some postwar institutions might have been founded with these beliefs after the devastation of WW2, but the true bases of power in this world certainly don't.

Ask yourself. If you had a psychotic level of hatred for Europeans and enough power to sway world events, what exactly would you be doing differently?
You aren't thinking of it from their perspective, since they don't care about a few million dead in the Middle East or the Ukraine. They don't care if you make shit and the refugees on welfare take it all, since they're making big bucks with their multinational corporations (which benefit from the phony development that occurs from refugees send your money back to their country). Their society benefits from unequal policing and ignoring refugee crime. It's your fault for noticing it, since the only alternative to two-tier policing is policing minorities equally, which would cause riots since minorities consider even that a sign of weakness. Remember, in Africa criminals get "necklaced" and Muzzies have Sharia law which involves mutilations and beheadings, meaning the only way to deal with foreign criminals is extreme violence which European nations won't deploy. Since that would make the global elite sad to properly police their gimmegrants, they can only do nothing at all.

There is no "psychotic hatred of Europeans" beside that which lingers in the Jewish minority within the elite (like they love the Ukraine War since back in the day Russians and Ukrainians really hated Jews, so now they get to kill them for profit). Tabulate up a list of the elite, and you'll find most are Europeans. They're very Jewish by culture and increasingly by marriage, but ethnic Europeans nonetheless. They rely on Europeans to fill their laptop caste and to act as scientists and engineers on their transhumanist schemes such as digital immortality for them and mRNA nanobots in your brain for the rest of us. They are doing all of this shit to any country which is even remotely developed, including South Korea, Japan, and even Argentina which they flood with Venezuelans and Bolivians.
 
They don't think there's a such thing as the "worst human elements." They think of themselves as gods who are able to raise doctors and engineers up out of Somali migrants. The fact they haven't yet is something they blame on others.
Because they don’t live among them. They , like you mentioned in your OP, meet the very best functioning of them as lawyers and well educated academics.
If they had to live in Harehills or Page Hall for a year they’d see it. Personally I think that a condition of having power should be to live in the very worst bit of your domain, with no security. But all this is disconnection - society doesn’t work on the scale where the elite and the cops live in gated communities.
@Overly Serious has mentioned before about solutions that work at small scales not scaling and I think this is the classic example. If you’re Mr. Big in a small tribe you still live among them. If they all hate you you’re doomed. If you live eight degrees of separation away in your gated villa or island or palace you will fail to meet the needs of the populace. Solutions like a civil service type intermediary can be successful for a while or they can become part of the problem (look at Chinese history)
Successful high trust societies (before they were wrecked) still had lower separation between ruler and people. Queen Margaret of Denmark used to go down the shops by herself for her chain smoking habit.
 
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@Overly Serious has mentioned before about solutions that work at small scales not scaling and I think this is the classic example.
It's something of a crusade for me because it's so fundamental, so obvious and so often overlooked. A principle of Cybernetics is that cybernetic systems do not scale. Those are systems of Response->Feedback->Response. If you're driving your car and you drift to the left you steer a little to the right. Feedback->Response, endless loop. Try to centralise all control and you're so remote from the feedback that your response is either inappropriate or far too late. And it's not a matter of ratios. You can have 7 people under the direction of one person making absolute decisions and it works - humans are evolved for this. 70 people making absolute decisions for 700 people doesn't work. Communication lines all break down, multiply as runaway factorials in number. The only thing that scales is distributed control. I.e. 10 groups of 7 people each under the direction of one person is effective. Now at this point people are inclined to think there's awareness of that and the use of hierarchies is implementing that. But not really - because that only implements an administrative side, it doesn't actually devolve decision making which is the key element of it. Arguably it actually inhibits decision making.

Restating the above, a hierarchy mitigates the administrative problem of scaling but only partially mitigates the problem of feedback->response loop being too large. It mitigates the latter only in so far as members of the hierarchy have autonomy and they have less and less all the time for many reasons.

TL;DR: The people in power have control but not cognizants. Like a man driving a car in heavy rain. They drift to the left and don't correct, or they imagine they've drifted and correct when they shouldn't. And nobody else is allowed to touch the wheel.

There are so many reasons for this. One is that the hierarchy is so distended that we have isolated status systems. I have quite literally seen US$5m+ thrown away, known it would be thrown away, predictably and shown it would be, because a guy didn't want to lose status amongst his peers by admitting he'd made a mistake. His status amongst all the people doing the work was in the toilet - he was regarded as an arrogant, smug, delusional loon. But none of the opinions of all those people mattered. Only the opinion of the directors. A wholly isolated status system. I remarked once that I would fix things (and I could have) if he said publicly that I was right. I knew he wouldn't. It could have been US$50m and it wouldn't make a difference. The status systems are entirely divorced.

And that's one of the issues with democracy. It is not allowable to be wrong. A monarch, confident in his power, can admit to his mistake. He may not want to, he may dress it up, you might get in trouble if you keep bringing it up. But he can change his mind. He can say "this didn't work, we're going to stop doing it." An elected official cannot do that. Or rarely. His opponents will devour him for having been wrong. In my personal experience related above I remarked to a colleague "you cannot compete with a promise". A hoped for outcome will almost always look better than the actual outcome. In a democracy, your performance is always compared to what your opponent says would and should have been.

We can relate this back to the issue of our cybernetic system. Not only do we have a system that has scaled beyond the point where feedback->response is complete and timely enough for effective decision making, but we have a system in which feedback indicating you have made a mistake is required to be rejected. And that's the most valuable kind of feedback.

My comments here (and thank you to @Otterly for tagging me) have veered more to the fundamental information theory problems than laying it all on culture and beliefs of the elite, but it's an important part of the problem. Robert Anton Wilson (bless his crazy brain) said that if you took Jesus and put him in charge of the USA but didn't allow him to actually change the way the system works, corruption and failure would carry on unchanged. Human society simply hasn't scaled.

And we're at the point where feedback is actively fought against. We can all say something isn't working and we can all be ignored. All hierarchies introduce disinformation. Those below don't want to tell those above things those above don't want to hear. And those above don't want to appear ignorant or dependent on those below. Most of us have seen that.

The system is self-perpetuating, resistant to outsiders. @The Ugly One correctly gives many reasons why those at the top wont listen. I agree with nearly everything he says. My only contribution in this post, when you boil it down, is that not only wont they listen, but I'm not sure they can. Any attempt to do so and they self-select out of the system in power.

It's a worry view because the implication is that we can't get rid of one or two at the top but have to rip out the whole system and much of its middle layer, like Japanese Knotweed en masse .

This wouldn't be a post by me if I didn't make a movie reference and there's an image which comes to my mind over and over recently and it's from the Terry Gilliam movie The Adventures of Baron Munchausen. A very silly and very good fantasy and the villain is a bureaucrat obsessed with order. At one point he has an exceptional soldier executed because his heroics are demoralising to the ordinary man. When this villain finally achieves his goals he is astonished as Death himself bursts out from underneath him. He is completely astounded and doesn't understand how all his behaviour has resulted in the Angel of Death himself flying out over the city.

I think about that image quite often now. Terry Gilliam is a great director - The bureaucrat, glasses askew, tumbling back as the angel of death spreads out his wings, and wondering "did I do that?"
 
A lot of people don’t realize that these ideas take time to really implement and by the time it becomes obvious to us, it means it has been developing behind the scenes for several years. These aren’t conspiracy theories because they are blatantly open about it. Trillions of dollars have been collectively invested in rapefugee importation schemes to date and there’s no stopping this with a handful of memes. Every institution in the west is fully committed to this and shit like the riots in the UK are not going to be enough. The tipping point was very likely in the 1990s and 2000s, as the west was taking their victory lap against the Soviets and the biggest threat was “Islamofascism,” everyone behind the scenes was ready to jump in on Globohomo to lock in their big victory they just scored.
 
Feedback is important. A long time ago I worked for a company who had the usual quality system where when you saw an error you reported it to quality and they’d raise a quality incident QI and do a full CAPA. The whole system was supposed to be blame free, no names were ever used and you’d only get punished if there was direct and negligent action, which is fair enough.
Some management idiot was parachuted in and gave us a speech about how he was simply appalled about how many ‘mistakes’ we made. People tried to point out that mistakes are inevitable in a complex system the point is to catch them and look honestly at what happened to avoid making similar errors. He was unmoved. QIs would now be a punishable mark against you and your entire team, and whey would be going to zero. If a vendor or client fucked up, we would be punished.

What happened was that the next quarter he announced that he had made the QI number go right down and I’m sure he got a massive bonus for it. The problem was that the mistakes still happened (they weren’t all mistakes, more kind of ‘ok shit a thing happened let’s fix it.) people just weren’t reporting them because instead of a bit of paperwork they’d now be written up for it. So they just didn’t report reportable errors. Why would you? Say you’re adjacent to a system, and you see something going wrong. It’s not your fault but you will be punished for pointing it out (we are back to ‘what’s the penalty for being late?’) so nobody raised mistakes.

You all know where this is going, quality tanked, clients went ballistic, and then a couple of small problems that should have been picked up and fixed spiralled into really fucking huge multi million dollar patient safety endangering issues.

It’s a bit like a patient with leprosy, or a condition where you can’t feel pain. Pain is feedback. Patients with leprosy damage themselves badly because there’s no pain feedback. People who can’t feel pain have terrible trouble hurting themselves because they can’t pull a hand back from the stove in a millisecond.

It’s all fucked. We are run by management idiots who want the line to go up next quarter even if that means utter destruction and chaos two years down the line. And they have to because that’s how the systems are set up. They have to deliver shareholder value.
How do you get out of this? You either get taken over by a private company, or you go under. IRL that’s a military coup (because the military can scale command) or descent into total chaos. At this point the government is no longer capable of governing the country for its good. They are simply hanging on by their fingernails trying to extract the last bits of shareholder gravy,
 
Okay, I got it out of my system.
Outstanding posts in this thread by @Overly Serious,@Otterly, and @The Ugly One.

The only thing I would add is to emphasize how many useful idiots there are in government. (In any movement or organization, really.) The majority of politicians go along with The Plan, whatever The Plan is, because that's what you do as a politician. You're part of a group, and you move with the group, and if you don't, your political career is over.

So it's a mistake to assume by default that politicians are idealogues. The most dangerous of politicians are, but more are empty. (Kind of like actors. Listen to any interview with Robert de Niro. He's a phenomenal actor, but when he's not playing pretend, there's not much there. And remember: politics is show business for ugly people.) They don't have beliefs, they just do what they know will result in the money and power continuing to flow to them without rocking the boat too much. And sometimes, that's exactly what you want out of a politician.

But the other breed of politician, the globalists, sees everyone in the world as fungible. Markets see people as fungible too, and they should. That's how markets work. But cultures are not fungible, and individual people have a problem with being replaced so that the proverbial line will go up. And why wouldn't they?

I'm a libertarian, so I've had to think hard about my specific issues with globalism. Aren't cheaper goods a good thing? Shouldn't work go to who is most willing to do it for the lowest bid? But competition makes everything work. Absolutely everything. And for native people who don't want to be supplanted, in an economic sense what they're doing is protecting their basic ability to compete. You can, IMO, do that legitimately and productively or illegitimately and counterproductively (muh unions, for one example), but protesting for your right to exist in your own country under equal legal protection has to be defensible. How can a people engage in the necessary competitive system at all if they can't even exist?

What lies at the end of the globalist road map is not record profits and ultra-affordable goods but stagnation, corruption, and abuse. Decentralization is generally a very good thing. It allows for natural competition (which is good for everyone), and it limits the accumulation of abuseable power. The idealogues have lost the forest for the trees.
 
I'm a libertarian, so I've had to think hard about my specific issues with globalism.
FWIW, what caused me to dump my globalism (and then my libertarianism) was realizing that the foundation of an economic system is the habits and the culture of the people themselves. The American companies that believe massive profits can be made by moving production to economies with features such as slave labor, ecological destruction, rampant fraud, etc, only exist because the common American follows rules and believes in fair play. That's why none of those companies originated in shithole countries or are thinking about moving their HQs there. The people responsible for the environment that allowed your company to exist absolutely should get a say over what kind of countries we do business with, and what kind of business we do. No, you're not entitled to go to China to take advantage of slave labor, or to India to take advantage of the ability to dump shit straight in the river.
 
TL;DR - They believe the only reason Pakis and Englishmen behave differently is England has a better socio-political system than Pakistan, and given enough time in the system, Pakis will be sipping tea, going to work on time and inventing the next steam engine.
In this house, we believe that race-mixing is promoted by the Jews to dilute the superior Aryan genetics of White Race and secure their positions as rulers over subhuman mud people.
 
FWIW, what caused me to dump my globalism (and then my libertarianism) was realizing that the foundation of an economic system is the habits and the culture of the people themselves. The American companies that believe massive profits can be made by moving production to economies with features such as slave labor, ecological destruction, rampant fraud, etc, only exist because the common American follows rules and believes in fair play. That's why none of those companies originated in shithole countries or are thinking about moving their HQs there. The people responsible for the environment that allowed your company to exist absolutely should get a say over what kind of countries we do business with, and what kind of business we do. No, you're not entitled to go to China to take advantage of slave labor, or to India to take advantage of the ability to dump shit straight in the river.
I don't believe in collective ownership of anything. I'm fine with companies going to greener pastures when their home countries regulate them to within an inch of their desire to even be in business in the first place. And it's inevitable that developing markets will offer incentives that will draw companies away from more expensive, developed countries. Corruption exists everywhere. I don't have to like it, but that's reality. Undeveloped countries always pollute more. What am I going to do about it?

But actual slave labor is something else entirely. The only reason I'm in favor of tarrifs on Chinese goods (even though it's probably going to be a disastrous economic policy in practice) is because China doesn't do anything but cheat as a country. The market can't work when people aren't playing by the rules, and everything in China is fake and gay.
 
I don't believe in collective ownership of anything.

It's not an issue of collective ownership. It's about the fact that a corporation is a legal entity that exists solely because the government defines it. There is no such thing as a "company" apart from the legal environment that created it, defines its assets, recognizes its charter, runs the courts it litigates in, provides the law enforcement resources to secure its claims, etc. So no, an entity that exists purely as a legal construct of the local government has no intrinsic right to seek better profits with foreign governments. Don't like this government and it won't let you use child labor in Sudan? Fine, dissolve your corporate entity here and reincorporate in Sudan, see how you like it over there.

Undeveloped countries always pollute more. What am I going to do about it?

You say, "no." The same sort of "no" that won't let NVIDIA move core R&D to China can work with any country.
 
The only reason I'm in favor of tarrifs on Chinese goods (even though it's probably going to be a disastrous economic policy in practice) is because China doesn't do anything but cheat as a country.
Tarrifs work. We didn’t always pay federal taxes. I’m fact, legally, we shouldn’t be paying them now. Federal Government existed of tariffs. But, then, we couldn’t fund never ending wars and forever military occupations.

Why should American taxpayer give Corporations that put their factories and employee foreign workers, in other countries bailouts and State federal aid or funds?

It's not an issue of collective ownership. It's about the fact that a corporation is a legal entity that exists solely because the government defines it. There is no such thing as a "company" apart from the legal environment that created it, defines its assets, recognizes its charter, runs the courts it litigates in, provides the law enforcement resources to secure its claims, etc. So no, an entity that exists purely as a legal construct of the local government has no intrinsic right

I recently had this conversation with a constitutional attorney. I was told that there was a bill passed that essentially considers corporations/businesses the same (under the law) as people, so businesses was given equal representation as a person under the law. To fix this, we’re first going to have to make lobbying illegal.
 
I recently had this conversation with a constitutional attorney. I was told that there was a bill passed that essentially considers corporations/businesses the same (under the law) as people

Corporate personhood means an organization, as an entity distinct from any individual human being, can own property, sue or be sued, etc, and if you can be sued and own property, that means you have to have defined rights as well (like the right to due process). I don't think you know what you're demanding when you say you don't want organizations to be legal persons.

, so businesses was given equal representation as a person under the law

Businesses have never had the right to vote in elections or have been counted toward a state's representation. Ever. They can be represented in a lawsuit.
 
I don't think the actions of pro immigration political figures and businessmen has any sort of complex system of thinking behind it. It's really quite simple.
Browns don't care about their new host nation so they offer no resistance to tyranny, and whites are just in the way.
 

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Corporate personhood means an organization, as an entity distinct from any individual human being, can own property, sue or be sued, etc, and if you can be sued and own property, that means you have to have defined rights as well (like the right to due process). I don't think you know what you're demanding when you say you don't want organizations to be legal persons.
“corporation” is just a made up term to blanket the actual people who own these places. Corporations don’t break laws, the people who own and work there do, why should they have any level of insulation from lawsuits, Now they are just some faceless perpetrator. The same as our Government. The “Government” isn’t actually doing this to us, it’s People in the government doing these things.

It’s the same theory as above. If the “corporation” owners are so far removed from the people they provide for, and are disconnected from the harm they do and the consequences, is that beneficial to society or the average citizen, which should come first in terms of protection and representation.

Globalized Corporate businesses hurt the average Citizen of that country, the native small business owners, the economy and has stomped all over Americas “free market capitalism”, specifically with monopolies, corporate bailouts, and taxpayer funded grants.

Does our Government represent We The People, or corporations?
 
“corporation” is just a made up term to blanket the actual people who own these places.

Do you have any retirement money in mutual funds or a 401(k)? Then congratulations, you're a corporation owner. Do you go to church? Guess what, your church is a corporation. Schools are corporations. Labor unions are corporations. Charities are corporations. Every organization with a bank account is a corporation.
 
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