2024 UK general election - Place to watch and discuss just how fucked we are

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Yuuichirou Kumada dijo:
I mean, what can 13 Reform UK members do against like 400 Labour ones?
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Morethanabitfoolish dijo:
And Suella and Kemi both have a headstart on many of their colleagues in that regard.
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Sue Ellen, Kemi Coconut and Jimmy Dimly are senior figures in a party that is still moderate enough to not demand it be led by a white face.
It's that moderate wing of the party that's getting slashed and burnt tonight.
All of their anti-immigrant rhetoric is not going to save them from the proper right of the party, or the Reformist tendency. I'm old enough to remember the tune of "ain't no black in the Union Jack". A black face with immigrant parents isn't going to lead the NuTory right for the next five years.
You are looking, if you want money on the Tory leader come the next GE, for a youngish white male who never served in Cabinet. Let's see who's left after tonight.
 
Kinda impressed with the thirteen seats for reform. It is HARD for new parties to achieve such a degree of success, and afterwards it basically becomes easier to get seats. To put this in perspective, the lib dems are at 15 seats rn and they are considered to be something of a major party. Unfortunately the cuckservatives aren't being wiped out. I mean, it wouldn't matter if they did, or did not at this point because Starmer is in effectively a Blair position so 400, 500 seats there isn't all that much difference.
 
isalaide dijo:
A black face with immigrant parents isn't going to lead the NuTory right for the next five years.
You are looking, if you want money on the Tory leader come the next GE, for a youngish white male who never served in Cabinet. Let's see who's left after tonight.
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Honestly? I reckon that's as true for Labour as the Tories. I'd put money of the two the one most likely to give us a minority ethnicity female PM in the next 50 years is Conservatives.

Suella and Kemi are publicly more right wing than most of the whitest people in the current Tory crop. A purge might clear them out but I doubt it and I think both have been leaning towards this election being a loss and them being well known enough that in subsequent elections they are a factor.
 
isalaide dijo:
If the predictions are right, the senior Tories left are all on the right wing of the party. Thirteen Reform seats including Captain Blacktooth makes it drastically more difficult for a Tory leader to successfully lurch to the right, as they will always, always be outflanked by Reform there.
This is an excellent set up for five more years of Tory circular firing squad, rightwing purity spiral, civil war and cannibalism.
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I suspect that the plan for the last few weeks has been to merge the two parties shortly after the election, once the left wing Tories have all lost their seats. It might be a tough one to negotiate though since Nige will want to be leader & that might not be something the remaining Tories go for. Maybe chucking a peerage his way will satisfy him.

Coccxys dijo:
Based Nigerian for PM. She's definitely got the right opinions and is fairly bullet proof against the usual leftist attack vectors.
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Maybe I'm high on copium but I think she might actually be the best hope for the future. She seems pretty smart and knows how to play the political game, and like you say the lefties can't just call her a racist to 'win' every debate. It's sort of funny that the new, "far-right" Tories will be choosing from 3 nonwhite women to lead them.
 
isalaide dijo:
Kemi Coconut
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Really? You're going there? I've known a few Christian Nigerians and they have more of the values that we used to call British than a lot of the Middle Class Britains I've known. Being conservative in beliefs and showing some nationalism doesn't make one White inside. And to your other point, most people of a more nationalist bent would have sooner voted for Kemi or Pritti Patel than Keir Starmer.
 
King Metalia dijo:
I'm not even from the UK. I came here to watch the sperging and buffoonery unfold.
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I am from the UK and came here to watch the sperging and buffoonery.
ConsentAccidentVictimNo98 dijo:
Kinda impressed with the thirteen seats for reform. It is HARD for new parties to achieve such a degree of success
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Reform isn't really a new party, it's a Farage vehicle and it's riding largely on the cachet he's build up over 20+ years.
 
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