Susie Green & Mermaids UK - "Trans Kid Support Charity", Susie had her underage kid get GRS

[OttoWest]

"Pretty"

Jack is an ugly, dickless, gay bastard.

All that surgery only to come out looking like Brianna Wu Jr.

 

[Hongourable Madisha]

All that surgery only to come out looking like Brianna Wu Jr.

I was thinking Toob, but that might just be because he's Bri'ish. Another guy who got to have a healthy normal puberty before he trooned out.

 

[Procopius]

Terf island continues to fight against this pish. The latest to take up the sword of genocide is the Royal College of General Practitioners, the licencing body for family doctors, who have told their members clearly that they are not obliged to play this silly game if they don't want to. In a position paper titled The role of the GP in transgender care they put it quite bluntly

The RCGP recognises that some GPs have particular expertise, or an extended role, in the area of transgender care and supports them to act in their patient’s best interests, within the limits of their competence. For the majority of GPs, without this expertise or extended role, the RCGP considers that the role of the GP does not include the following:

Prescribing bridging prescriptions for those on the waiting list for a GIC.
Prescribing puberty blockers for a patient aged under 18, even on a shared care basis, given the concerns about the evidence base in this area as well as the specialist expertise required to monitor dosage and side effects. The Cass review notes that ‘the Review has already advised that because puberty blockers only have clearly defined benefits in quite narrow circumstances, and because of the potential risks to neurocognitive development, psychosexual development and longer-term bone health, they should only be offered under a research protocol. This has been taken forward by NHS England (NHSE) and the National Institute for Health and Care Research (NIHR)’ and that ‘if an individual were to have taken puberty blockers outside the study, their eligibility may be affected’. This precludes GPs from ever prescribing puberty blockers, excepting any GPs working on clinical trials in this area.
Prescribing gender-affirming hormones for a patient aged under 18, even on a shared care basis, given the concerns about the evidence base in this area as well as the specialist expertise required to monitor dosage and side effects. The Cass Review advises that ‘NHS England should review the policy on masculinising/feminising hormones. The option to provide masculinising/feminising hormones from age 16 is available, but the Review would recommend extreme caution. There should be a clear clinical rationale for providing hormones at this stage rather than waiting until an individual reaches 18’. We feel that in view of this, prescribing of gender-affirming hormones should generally only be done by specialists.
Carrying out blood tests on behalf of secondary care or making decisions about how those blood tests affect hormone doses – NHSE advice and primary/secondary care interface documents make it clear that a clinician who wants to request a test should do it themselves.
Sharing care with the private sector, unless the GP practice has made their own decision to do so and feels that it is safe and resourced.

And they also want to be allowed to not deal with troons, and for medical records to contain a clear Troon Alert marker for those rare souls who genuinely do pass.

The RCGP calls for the following changes at national level:

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4. To ensure that SCAs are adequately funded to support the ongoing care and treatment of patients, and that the position of GPs who do not feel they have the expertise or resource to share care with either NHS specialist services or the private sector is respected. To ensure that no clinic is allowed to ask for a commitment to acceptance of shared care as a prerequisite for referral.

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6. To review IT systems with safety concerns in mind. NHS systems should record codes for biological sex as well as gender identity, so that patients can be safely recalled for the appropriate screening according to the organs that they have, without compromising their gender identity. The use of a new NHS number when the gender marker is changed should be reviewed, as this carries the inherent risk of loss of relevant information.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

Possible insight into why Gender GPs gone quiet.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...ased-bailiffs-moving-abroad-dcj9gh5qwGenderGP founders ‘chased by bailiffs’ after moving abroadHelen and Michael Webberley left south Wales for Spain to run the online clinic, whose advisers have little obvious medical expertise

WNS
James Beal
, Social Affairs Editor |
Lucy Bannerman
Friday May 10 2024, 6.45pm, The Times
When The Times knocked on the door of the modest former home of Dr Helen and Michael Webberley, in Abergavenny, south Wales, this week, the new owner could not provide a forwarding address.
But she did complain of frequent visits from bailiffs and debt-collectors looking for the couple, who established the online gender clinic GenderGP in 2015 before moving to Spain.
GenderGP was thrust into the spotlight this month after Sir Andrew McFarlane, president of the family division of the High Court, cited “serious concerns” about the safety of its patients.

He issued a ruling on a case involving a 16-year-old trans boy, referred to as J, who was prescribed testosterone by the clinic.
A consultant paediatric endocrinologist said the dose given was “dangerously high”, placing the teenager “at risk of sudden death due to thromboembolic disease”. She told the court she had never in 20 years of practice seen “such a massive dose of testosterone administered to a young person”.

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That led the judge to conclude there must be “very significant concern” about young people like J “accessing cross-hormone treatment from any offshore, online, unregulated private clinic”.
He added: “The evidence relating to GenderGP that is currently available … gives rise to additional serious concerns as to the safety of patients accessing cross-hormone treatment from that particular clinic.”
But patients are still trying to get hormones from GenderGP.
The Times has seen dozens of messages from disgruntled customers trying to get help and prescriptions for treatment. One patient said they had joined in February to get hormone therapy for their male-to-female transition, but despite spending £450 with the clinic had not yet received it.
They told The Times: “I’m still waiting. You email them, they ignore you. You Facebook message them, they ignore you. You pay all these fees for nothing. They are messing with people’s lives.”

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GenderGP was contacted for comment.
Helen Webberley, 54, a doctor from south Wales, and her husband, Michael, 57, a former gastroenterologist, set up the online clinic almost a decade ago.
Michael Webberley was struck off in 2022 for “wide-ranging failings” in prescribing hormone treatments to patients as young as nine without proper assessments. One teenager was prescribed testosterone without any consultation of medical records. They took their own life a few months later.
Helen Webberley was found to have committed serious misconduct by a Medical Practitioners Tribunal Service panel in 2022. She was issued with a two-month suspension after being accused of failing to alert one of her teenage patients to the impact of puberty blockers on fertility.
However, she successfully appealed against the decision to the High Court and her suspension quashed, leaving her free to practise.

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The couple moved from south Wales to Spain to operate GenderGP, settling in the southern city of Malaga. There was no answer from an address linked to the couple in Malaga this week.
GenderGP is now registered in Singapore, and the Webberleys’ family told The Times this week that the couple frequently spend time in the Far East.
One relative described them as retired, claimed they had been in Spain this week and said that they now travelled the world. “They are very rarely in the UK,” they added.
Helen Webberley has remained defiant after the Cass review found “remarkably weak” evidence for the use of cross-sex hormones and puberty blockers in children.
In a podcast interview last month she doubled down on the use of hormones.

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She said: “We do have plenty of evidence to show that puberty blockers and gender-affirming hormones improve physical health, emotional health, psychological health and social health.
“We have plenty of evidence, it’s just that the people who are making decisions, they don’t want to read it.”
She certainly did not seem retired, despite her family’s claim.
Helen Webberley added in the interview: “While I’ve still got life and blood in my veins, I really, really hope to make a really big difference to trans healthcare … we’ve still got quite a long way to go.”
She said she had been threatened during the course of her work with transgender people, but said she had a resilience to keep going. She added: “I can counter almost any argument that someone puts to me.”

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Despite this, The Times received no response from GenderGP, or the Webberleys, while attempting to speak to them about some of these arguments this week.

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GenderGP subscribers have said they were appalled to discover it is now using artificial intelligence to influence their course of treatment (Lucy Bannerman writes).
The clinic is transferring its advice for a vulnerable group of people, many of whom have complex mental health issues, to algorithms powering a website “knowledge base”.
Now that AI is central to the service, it is unclear which of GenderGP’s human “specialist advisers” are still working for the website.
These are some of the people who, GenderGP claims, are still running face-to-face sessions. None appear to have any medical expertise.
They include:
1. Marianne Oakes is a 64-year-old former joiner who transitioned from male to female in mid-life and is now a “lead counsellor” at GenderGP. As a trans woman, she also runs her own online counselling service, based in Derbyshire, where her interest areas as a therapist include “polyamory and kink”. She has previously spoken of her support of hormone treatment for children as young as six. At an event promoting GenderGP in 2019, she said: “When the time is right, we will arrive there, whether it’s age six or 60 or beyond. That really is the right time to start HRT [hormone therapy]; when our lives are in the right place.”
She is a member of the British Association for Counselling and Psychotherapy.
Oakes is still listed at the top of GenderGP’s “Meet The Team” webpage, but she told The Times she no longer works for the clinic. She declined to comment further.
2. Joseph Oakes is the 37-year-old son of Marianne Oakes who until three years ago was working for a company that builds exhibition stands, based in Chapel-en-le-Frith, in Derbyshire. He is now a hypnotherapist whose specialist areas include helping people lose weight and give up smoking. According to his LinkedIn page, his only professional qualification is a diploma from a year spent at the Central Academy of Clinical Hypnosis in Stafford, an organisation which no longer appears to have a functioning website. He could not be reached for comment.
3. Fedora Laroza is a Brazilian cinema and art history graduate based in Sao Paolo, who is listed as a psychologist at GenderGP. She gives formal diagnoses of gender incongruence and discusses surgery referrals with people preparing for surgical transition in online sessions costing £150 a time. She also leads £75 fertility sessions which “provide a referral letter for storing your gametes (eggs or sperm) and help you make informed decisions on preserving reproductive options”.
She has also worked as a graphic designer and an IT consultant.
On her LinkedIn page, she says: “It was by discovering and advancing with Gender Studies as well that Fedora realised essential aspects of her own self, the world and her clinic.
“Fedora comprehends her personal journey and her own struggles can be useful tools in her professional practice in order to assist others navigating their own personal pathways.”
She could not be reached for comment.
4. Liz Hunt graduated three years ago from Cardiff University with a degree in social sciences. Before joining GenderGP six years ago she was working part-time as a waitress in bars and restaurants in the Hereford area.
According to her LinkedIn page, she started working at GenderGP “by doing basic admin jobs, such as creating letters or spreadsheets”. She did 60 hours on a life coaching course and is now leading services on patient wellbeing. She could not be reached for comment.
5. Ken Noel Gutierrez is among the staff listed as leading information gathering sessions, which cost £65. He does not appear to have any professional information available online, but his profile picture on the GenderGP website matches a photograph on a Facebook account of a man of the same name who is based in the Philippines.
He could not be reached for comment.
6. Luna Lee is a public relations and marketing graduate who until two years ago was working as “supporting living co-ordinator” at a housing association in Manchester.
She has a master’s degree in forensic psychology from the University of Derby and one in psychology from Manchester Metropolitan University. Since joining GenderGP two years ago, she has worked as a “wellbeing coordinator, manager and provider”. According to her LinkedIn profile her responsibilities are to “ensure resource is used effectively to maintain and regularly exceed our minimum service level agreements” and to “ensure Team members are meeting our minimum expectations for session availability and regularly meeting our agreed session output”.
Along with Joseph Oakes, she is responsible for the “capacity to consent” sessions. According to the GenderGP website, these 45-minute, £65 sessions “are carried out by qualifed professionasl [sic] to asses [sic] a person’s capacity to give informed consent to medical intervention”.

 

[ScooterL]

Possible insight into why Gender GPs gone quiet.

Working link and archive.

 

[Hongourable Madisha]

Fedora the art history grad. It's like these people were generated by AI (trained on Made In Chelsea) as well as the recommendations for "treatment".

Speaking of AI, The State Media has dropped an AI generated album of terfy tunes and the second track is pretty great. I've had "Helen Webberley belongs in jail, and so does Susie Green" stuck in my head ever since.

 

[whogoesthere]

I was thinking Toob, but that might just be because he's Bri'ish. Another guy who got to have a healthy normal puberty before he trooned out.

The endless Americunt cope. Rent free.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

Fedora the art history grad. It's like these people were generated by AI (trained on Made In Chelsea) as well as the recommendations for "treatment".

Speaking of AI, The State Media has dropped an AI generated album of terfy tunes and the second track is pretty great. I've had "Helen Webberley belongs in jail, and so does Susie Green" stuck in my head ever since.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=jimNCNK7OyI

Daaaamn that's fucking amazing!

 

[Palla Strozzi]

The latest to take up the sword of genocide is the Royal College of General Practitioners, the licencing body for family doctors, who have told their members clearly that they are not obliged to play this silly game if they don't want to.

(a)

We need to hear from our regulator with strong, clear advice and guidance so that we can do the best for our patients. Without this, transgender children will continue to suffer greatly. @HelenWebberley Apr 26, 2024 · 3:26 PM UTC

Careful what you wish for, Helen.

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And another one:
GenderGP clinic has betrayed us with AI rip-off, say trans patients (archived).

Users of the controversial and unregulated GenderGP feel they are being treated as ‘cash cows’ as it moves from advisers to algorithms​

After spending more than £1,000 over the past 15 months with GenderGP, an unregulated private clinic, Theo was already feeling less like a patient and more like “a cash cow”.
The 20-year-old student, whose name we have changed, is transitioning from female to male, and is among many of his friends desperate to access testosterone to lower his voice and achieve a more masculine appearance.
He opted to go with GenderGP over NHS transgender care, which has long queues, but is now one of hundreds of customers seemingly in revolt over their treatment.

They were appalled to discover that the online clinic they trusted as the experts in transgender medicine is now using artificial intelligence to influence their course of treatment.
The website, which is registered in Singapore, is transferring its “care” of a vulnerable group of people, many of whom have complex mental health issues, from advisers to algorithms. Not only that, but it has admitted in a statement to its subscribers, many of whom pay hundreds if not thousands of pounds to access off-label prescriptions for masculinising and feminising hormones, that it had switched to this new “next generation” system without telling them.

“It makes me angry,” said Theo, who is from the Midlands. “The AI really reinforces how they’re just completely taking advantage of you.
“I knew before that it was expensive and not super regulated, but it’s now spelt out to you: this isn’t like going to the doctor. This feels like a private company that just wants to make money from the vulnerable.”
GenderGP was founded in 2015 by Helen and Michael Webberley, both GPs, who started prescribing experimental hormone treatments to adults and children who identified as transgender the following year.
In 2022 Michael Webberley was struck off the medical register and Helen Webberley was suspended for putting three young patients at “unwarranted risk of harm”, but she returned to practice as a doctor after that decision was overturned by the High Court the following year.
By 2020 they claimed to have started almost 2,000 people on hormones across 42 countries. They claimed that 16 per cent of all the patients they supported were under 16.
GenderGP was already controversial as an allegedly “Wild West” operator that continued to sell hormone treatments to people in crisis about their gender despite the lack of any good evidence of their safety or effectiveness. It also recommends that “all young people” wishing to transition should have graduated beyond puberty blockers and on to irreversible cross-sex hormones “by the time they are 14-16”, which is in contravention of NHS guidelines.

In her comprehensive review of gender identity services for under-18s, Dr Hilary Cass concluded there was “no good evidence” to support giving young people in crisis potentially life-altering hormone treatment.
Cass also explicitly criticised Helen Webberley in an interview with The Times, claiming her care “certainly doesn’t come anywhere near anything one would recognise as adequate in terms of a proper assessment and exploration”.
Despite Cass’s clear warning that masculinising and feminising hormones should only be given to under-18s who meet very strict clinical criteria, GenderGP continues to evangelise about unevidenced powers of hormones to transform people’s lives for the better, insisting on its website that “switching your hormones profile from one to the other is surprisingly safe”.
GenderGP escapes regulation in the UK because it is private. It uses doctors outside the UK, but within the European Economic Area (EEA), to sign prescriptions.
• Teen prescribed ‘dangerously high’ hormone dose by online clinic
Customers such as Theo can then use these prescriptions at UK pharmacies to access controlled drugs such as testosterone without ever having met the doctor who provided them.
The switch to AI has also removed any free way of contacting the service. There is no phone number, no email address and subscribers must now pay for every single interaction.
“People are desperate and GenderGP know that, so they can charge a ridiculous amount of money,” said Theo. “I know friends who have done sex work in order to get money for the fees.
“I’ve been able to tutor, so I’ve been OK, but for some of my friends, especially ones with worse mental health, the only way they are able to get the money [for the hormones] is through underground sex work. It’s quite dark.”
To join GenderGP, customers must pay an upfront fee of £195 and £65 for an obligatory information gathering session, followed by a monthly subscription fee of £30. They can book optional sessions to discuss issues such as fertility preservation and surgery for between £45 and £150 a time. The drugs are charged separately: a three-month supply of puberty blockers costs £265. Testosterone gel costs £135.
As part of its “future-proofed” service, GenderGP no longer appears to have real staff responding to queries. Instead, it tells paying subscribers to “self-serve your information needs” and refers them to a web link for an AI-generated “knowledge base”. The most basic interaction costs £7.99 for a 15-minute “live chat”.
This system, it promised, will be “more sofisticated [sic]”.
The backlash has been furious, and hundreds of subscribers have signed a petition demanding that GenderGP reverse its “dangerous” decision to entrust their care to artificial intelligence.
• ‘Wild West’ clinics could exploit puberty blockers loophole
“They’re our doctor for essential medicine not a f***ing video game company,” said one of scores of customers complaining about the issue on Reddit.
“We (the trans community) are not a cash cow for the likes of Helen,” said another.
Some said they were considering obtaining hormones on the black market, to administer themselves. “I can see no other path for me than DIY,” said one.
Among them is Theo. “I know it’s not the smartest idea but I do think it’s getting to the point where I might have to get [black market hormones] instead because of how expensive GenderGP is.
“I’ve been speaking to a couple of the guys in the gym who take anabolic steroids and have ordered some chemistry tests to see if these substances are pure enough for me to be healthy.”
Chemistry sets? “I mean swabs my friends who are chemistry undergraduates have stolen from their labs. It’s basically just measuring for certain substances that could be harmful.”
Theo joined GenderGP early last year, after receiving a “proper” diagnosis of gender dysphoria from his NHS GP. After an hour-long online session with GenderGP in which he was asked about which toys he liked as a child and whether he wore “boy clothes”, he had a 20-minute chat with online advisers once every three months.
“They looked more like student union officers, or volunteers for a helpline,” he said. “The last two said they were students doing it as a part time job while at uni. They looked about my age and looked trans too.”
He eventually received a prescription from an overseas doctor he’d never met. He received testosterone gel through the post from Smartway, an online pharmacy based in Leicestershire, before switching to injectable testosterone, provided by another UK online pharmacy, Olympia, based near the Olympic Park in east London.
Pharmacists must ensure the prescriptions are “clinically appropriate” for the individual, and if not, the pharmacy regulator has the power to challenge their fitness to practise or, in the most serious cases, suspend or remove them from the register.
The government is reviewing the law around what it describes as a loophole in the regulatory framework.
Roz Gittins, chief pharmacy officer of the General Pharmaceutical Council, the regulator, said: “We have made clear to pharmacy professionals and pharmacy owners that it is not enough for a prescription to be legally valid. That is just one consideration alongside others, including the responsible pharmacist’s judgement as to whether a prescription is clinically appropriate for the individual patient.
• Puberty blocker clinic accepted £20k donation from ‘sugar daddy’
“Pharmacy professionals need to use their professional judgement when considering the risks to the patient of supplying or not supplying against a legally valid prescription.
“It may be the right thing in some cases to refuse to supply medication and instead signpost the patient to an alternative healthcare professional. Person-centred and compassionate communication is particularly important in these challenging scenarios.”
A spokesman for Smartway said that it “dispenses medicines against prescriptions issued by doctors in the UK and EU, in compliance with our respective professional duties”.
He added: “It is the clinical judgement of the doctor that will lead to the issue of a prescription however, we always exercise our own judgement as to whether a prescription is clinically appropriate for that individual patient. If it is not, we will not dispense unless and until we are satisfied.
“We do challenge prescriptions and have refused to accept a prescription on occasions on clinical grounds. We typically refer those under 18 back to the clinic.
“A patient generally has the right to approach whichever pharmacy they like with a prescription and absent a justified reason, it will typically be dispensed by the pharmacist. All interactions by Smartway Pharmacy must be non-judgemental, inclusive, compassionate, and free from discrimination or bias.”
Olympia Pharmacy was contacted for comment.
GenderGP has long been unpopular among gender critical campaigners but the latest complaints mark a shift to criticism from its own supporters.
The use of vague “algorithms” to assess patients’ medical histories and to recommend treatment plans, medication, blood tests and counselling was confirmed by its affiliated website, My Healthy Hormones with Gender GP.
It said: “Our algorithms assess people’s medical history, their preferences and goals and aligns them with current international clinical guidelines and best practice, to help you make the best decisions.
“Our algorithms make recommendations for you to have counselling or other therapy as and when required and they make recommendations for the doctor on which medication would be best for you to help you achieve your goals.”
In a separate message to customers from Team Gender GP, it confirmed “we’re applying bespoke software so that processes like prescriptions, blood tests and medical steps can efficiently and accurately processed”.
Theo said it felt like a betrayal of the trans community. “GenderGP appear super-woke and use all the right kind of terminology,” he said. “They’re trying to be this ‘light’ for mentally ill youth and trying to convince them ‘this will solve all your problems’ but it feels like they just want your money.
“It makes me feel really scared that a lot of young, vulnerable people might get a faulty diagnosis and then do something they regret.”

Man are The Times going after the Webberleys hard. I really suspect that someone there has been watching them closely and waiting for the right time to pitch long articles about GGP - no way that this sudden flurry of articles "just happens" to coincide with the Cass Review fallout. Good to see.

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Speaking of things not so good to see, does anyone else think the Webberleys look so similar they could be closely related?

 

[Procopius]

Sheesh, I always suspected that GenderGP was raking it in, but I didn't realise they were so big. There's been a bit of drama on the GenderGP reddit. Apparently it used to be run by GenderGP themselves, but they closed it down for a while. The troons protested to the authorities at reddit, and since they are all troons themselves, the subreddit was bardfinned and handed over to friendly troons. Don't ask me which ones are friendly, which ones aren't and how you tell the difference, I'm just here to laugh at men in bad make-up and worse dresses.

Anyway, following the reopening, one of the recently sacked staff members popped up to make a long whingeing post, during which they reveal that at the start of 2024, GenderGP employed just over 100 staff. They were cut back to 40 by mid March, and understandably if you read the post since it sounds like half of them were the sort who would spend most of the day whining that they didn't have the spoons to work. But if they actually needed and could once afford to pay that many people then they must have been raking it in.

Let’s talk about the realties of the ongoings with GenderGPInfo (self.GenderGP)
submitted 7 days ago by Lonely_Code - announcement
TL;DR - Stop letting cis people hold all the power over your access to care. GenderGP has failed our community and that’s it.
Like the title says, let’s talk about GenderGP.
Not about the information I can’t share due to contractual obligations, but the things I can that are a public detriment and largely ethical issues that impact your continuity of care and community safely.
I’m really not interested in someone here gaslighting what all my colleagues went through, telling us to get over it, move on, and enabling Helen to continue what she’s doing with zero accountability.
So please, don’t belittle the absolutely horrific experience we went through because bootlicking Helen sounds more favourable.
In January 2024, we had enough staff. There had been large hiring in the fall to accompany the increase of received pathways. Nine new staff had been taken on from October to December. The majority being community members themselves. The workload was manageable with proper leadership and guidance.
Let’s remember that our community already deals with significant socioeconomic factors that make it difficult to find jobs at all. The large majority of us were passionate about this area of work, both because we had lived experiences, and because we wanted to make a difference in what we couldn’t achieve in public healthcare with the prevalent systemic issues. Many of us had multiple jobs or were going to school as well.
We were contractors (the people remaining still are) with limited rights. We knew what that meant. Our contracts stipulated that if we were to have our contracts ended, OR if we decided to leave the company, we’d need to give or be given 60 days notice. We could be terminated for a number of reasons, none of them listed on the contracts stated for “restructuring.” Note: all of the new contracts after spring do not have this clause, they can fire people without notice or reason, and already have.
Our entire functionality of services - from the portal that was used, CRM that existed, records, etc., was absolutely outdated, there is no denying that. There were a lot of places to pull information from that made tasks difficult. But all of the teams knew their roles and where to get the information so that while things could be improved, at least they could continue to run as they were in the meantime. We all know mistakes happen and that it’s shit when they do, but at least we could make it right the best way we could.
GGP had already dumped significant money into developing a Salesforce tool for all your CRM needs. It was getting to a point it could have been functional and ready to launch to improve everything I stated above. There was an entire experienced IT/systems development team that existed to get this prepared over the last two years. Public emails were already going to patients from the application to update details, this isn’t unknown information.
Instead of that being finalised, Helen fired the entire systems team without warning, leaving everything to do with Salesforce fucked over because no one who remained knew anything about maintaining it. She also fired the entire media and marketing team mid-last year.
She had teams that could do everything you can possibly think of that is going to shit right now.
Late last year, we all did employee surveys about our working experiences and motivation to stay with the company. The results were glowing, we were content. There would always be things we wanted to change, but that exists with any company. It’s not an attack to make suggestions, if we stay complacent in anything, it makes us ignorant to what can improve and that’s it. And as community members with lived experiences, of course we had things we’d like to change.
We were told another employee survey would be sent out in the new year, and then, all the below happened before it came out.
In late January we were told we needed to start using the Healthy Hormones website in everything we did. From the prescriptions team using it to ensure bloods were up to date, to pathology using it answer any and all questions from the page that existed, to queries using it to direct people there. And to be clear, we already did these things, it's not like the tools didn't already exist. This slowed down everyone’s work significantly, which in hindsight, feels entirely intentional at this point because then she can go and proclaim that: “Oh shucks, these changes were awfully necessary, can’t you see!”
It slowed us down because none of us were trained on any of it (new tools, website in general) and even though we all knew the answer to the situation or things being asked, they didn’t exist on the Healthy Hormones pages. So, then we would need to raise that it didn’t exist, or that a tool wasn’t accurate, or whatever the fuck else, and then wait to get a response about how to respond. A response we already knew, had accurate protocols for, and could even provide an answer ourselves if she wanted it so badly on the Healthy Hormones page. But nah, we had to wait for her to pump out a ChatGPT produced answer to advise because she thought we were idiots.
And what did ChatGPT produce? Things like claiming Spironolactone isn’t a diuretic or that GGP doesn’t prescribe diuretics, or that etc etc etc. We had clinical providers feeding us ChatGPT content to respond with instead of individually responding to patients about their results and concerns, taking zero responsibility for their tailored needs.
Oh, right, but Helen will point and say that all those posts were created by a licensed professional, so obviously it makes it a-okay then. Sure, let’s ignore that just because she signs off on something doesn’t make it any better when it has clearly not been reviewed properly. Not to mention the largely confusing non-sensical descriptions on posts that are inaccessible, ableist, and don't answer questions as they pertain to the service.
We know that ChatGPT is ethically harmful. We know that AI in general is going to cause ramifications in healthcare unregulated. We aired out concerns on this. We were ignored.
It was very clear that us needing to send everything and anything through to be put on some new website we weren’t even made aware of, was with the intention of likely getting rid of us. When raised, our HR team told us: “No, no, we’ll make sure everyone is redeployed, or that the low performers will be the only ones offboarded! Everything is totally fine.”
(Note: Yes, yes, never trust HR, many of us were well aware of this and did not put much stock in anything they said - which as of writing this, two of the three were fired too, so, fuck us all I guess.)
Now, there is something to be said about positives related to automation. There are ways to code forms to produce the data we need to properly advise on. There was a way for Helen to go about this entirely, that she was informed on by people with these expertise, that she ignored. There were way more logical ways of going about literally everything she did. However, the ethical aspects that pertain to patient centered care impose a level of responsibility that Healthy Hormones, GGP, and Helen proclaim to no longer take.
Any manner of gender affirming care should have the final treatment recommendation oversight of a qualified professional or multi-disciplinary team of qualified professionals that:

1. Take your full medical history into consideration, especially any new medication or changes,
2. Review your care goals and any gaps that you feel are creating barriers to achieving the results you desire,
3. Review abnormalities in test results that could be attributed by your HRT to advise,
4. Ensure you are providing informed consent to any changes that impact your ongoing care (ie. an opt-out from changes in services like automation, or sudden changes that impact how you receive your prescriptions that could create health concerns from unexpected withdrawal of hormones),
5. Provide surveys about ongoing patient experiences and addresses areas of improvement,
6. Produce records and data requests promptly to be GDPR compliant, and
7. Address formal issues you have related to concerns with the facility management or ongoing care services in a timely fashion.

The idea that all of the above would instead by handled and answered by the Healthy Hormones (cough GenderGPT cough) page deeply worried all of us.
Ofc, one day the ideal world would be largely OTC HRT (remember HRT is easier to manage than diabetes and many, many other conditions), but most people aren’t ready to have that conversation.
So, with all that in mind, back to the continued fuckery of earlier this year.
Member Enrolment which was the team that used to process new intake forms and liaise internally with clinical staff to ensure any concerns were medically assessed. Their entire team was destroyed in February, without warning.
Yes, they did struggle with the ongoing forms received. However, other teams were able to shift over advisors to be able to accommodate and if there hadn’t been so much uncertainty in everything Helen was doing from the top, that could’ve been easily rectified with a change management process. Many things were easily rectified by simply utilising the people she already had and caring that they had opinions that mattered. Other teams were also in a positive position metrics-wise to be able to send advisors over to assist with the uptick.
But instead of fixing a super easy problem, she decided to make it infinitely worse and told the Member Enrolment team, without warning, in the middle of a random work day in February that they were no longer enrolment advisors and were being “redeployed” to other teams, with no training. A team of +10 people suddenly without homes and no proper HR protocols followed to ensure this didn’t completely destroy people’s morale.
We were lied to, repeatedly.
One second, HR is telling us (and if I’m being honest, I don’t blame any of them - Helen is a fucking rollercoaster and was likely changing things every two seconds and they were just the scapegoats) there is a rollout plan for the next bunch of quarters into next year and that the only time anyone would potentially lose their jobs is at the end of every quarter and it would be based on performance.
In this same messaging, we’re finally finding out (even if it was literally already launched and being used) GGP is being separated into three entities (this was posted on Healthy Hormones too). GGP would be about a community hub space, Healthy Hormones would be about facilitating the automation of care and where people were getting information, the Health & Wellbeing Directory would be a place for a host of new session types and the opportunity for us to move over and that the great majority of us would continue to have jobs.
We were a little over 100 people at the start of 2024. Over 50% of that number was the entirety of the Healthcare Admin teams - the people who handled new enrolment, general enquiries, prescriptions, pathology, learning and development, and medicines management with partners. Everyone else was the Clinical + Wellbeing Team - so our psychologist, counsellors, doctors, wellbeing advisors (people who do the Follow Up Sessions, previous Ask Us Anything) and nurses.
The next second, we’re being told that a number of people would be imminently offboarded, a number somewhere in the double digits. We were told it could be anyone from the most recently onboarded staff, part timers, or based on poor performance. Immediately, all of our teams grew frantic about the uncertainty and (un)shockingly morale continued to plummet.
(I should also say that the internal structure of GGP was Helen > Head of Healthcare / HR > Team Managers > Team Leads, and no one from TM/TL level was being told anything or was invited way too late to meetings weeks after decisions had been apparently made that impacted the teams)
Next we’re filling out the next employee survey and trying to air our concerns about AI from a community perspective and that we feel entirely uncertain about our prospects because the messaging has been vague and it seems to be changing very quickly. We just wanted clarity, communication, and empathy so we could return to a state of functional across the teams instead of all of our mental wellbeing's tanking. We never found out the results of the survey, despite being told we would, likely because it did not make Helen look great compared to the previous one.
When the firings suddenly weren’t happening for when we thought they were, the shit show burst.
Without warning, multiple changes happened in quick succession. We came into work on a Monday and had no access to responding or sending messages in the communication tool. We had no access to new patient files or even what was going on with issued prescriptions from the new page (a new page we weren’t even told was launching). We could barely advise on the old messages that asked about all these new changes because of this. We asked, over and over, to be able to do our job and handle complaints, for this access. Helen refused and refused to properly tell us what the fuck was going on.
From January to mid March, we were dragged through a clusterfuck of uncertainty, enormous stress, and being gaslit every day. Every day we were being pummeled with unclear information, changing guidance, thinking we would be fired, etc. Then, silence.
On March 15th, 2024 - 47 of the remaining 87 staff were fired. The entire healthcare admin team that I expanded on earlier was completely fired. We had a brief chance to review the post that went on our internal HQ page, telling us it wasn’t our fault and they wished us the best for anyone who was no longer required. Then, we’re all being removed without getting to say goodbye except for HR calls if we wanted them with two people most of us barely knew. Many of us had been there for years. It didn’t matter.
Then, Helen is on a call that same morning with the clinical and wellbeing team telling them that the whole reason this is happening is because of internal errors that the entire team she just fired were doing. She didn’t even tell them how many people were fired. And (contrary to the HQ post) stated that this needed to happen because of it and that automation would prevent errors. That her random group of data analysts (roles she never positioned to team members she already had) that were the HR Talent Lead’s family members in the Phillipines were replacements for us when she hadn’t even trained them properly to do prescription lines. That this was all for the greater good.
Helen is sitting there telling everyone to get on board and be positive in everything they do and say, or go. It's not about honesty or transparency, it's about who is desperate enough to stay for a paycheque because they have no alternatives. The majority of us have not been able to find work.
Nevermind that all of the protocols that existed internally were approved and maintained by her. That she is the one responsible and signed off on any issues that existed for all the tools we had internally that told us what prescriptions to issue, what to look for on blood test results, how to advise, etc. Nevermind that all we did was follow her instruction. No one was going lone wolf. Mistakes were outliers, not the norm. They happen with any company. There was a means to improve what her concerns may be, without decimating the company and ongoing care. Instead, she made us all look like the problem because a mirror is too hard to find.
I don’t know what I want from this post. I adored the job I did as much as I hated it from a capitalistic part of wishing public healthcare was good enough we didn’t need this at all. I gave my all to my job. It made me feel fulfilled. I have been heartbroken for months about all of this. I have had my mental wellbeing deteriorate to a point of resurgence of conditions I haven’t had in decades.
I wasn’t ignorant to who Helen was, I knew that there was a certain greed that Helen exudes in everything she does. She has multiple family members and their friends employed with the company that weren't amongst the ones fired, it’s not hard to deduce that money is the main factor for why GGP is the way it is now. I just thought that at some level, she did care about us based on everything she puts out publicly.
I just wish the community understood they deserve better instead of letting Helen get away with this. I also wish if we were going to media about this, it wasn’t the Times or whoever else that has a very clear agenda on how to paint our community’s needs.
Stop giving all the power to cis people who don’t care about you. Helen cares about money. She is a performative ally at best but a viper behind closed doors. She is a licensed doctor, with an investor on her shoulder telling her he’ll make her millions so she can continue to be the scummy landlord, multi-villa-having cretin that she is.
She doesn’t care about the opinions of her staff because she considers herself superior. She will not accept opinions that oppose hers and will bully, undermine, or ostracise you for speaking up. She treated all of the healthcare advisors like we didn’t know fuck all and only ever considered the doctor who agreed with her as anyone worth having an opinion. Her ego has gotten to such a point she truly thinks she’s our community’s saviour. Stop allowing her to have this complex.
She knows damn well how to ensure patient safety is maintained and how to implement healthcare projects properly, she just doesn’t care. She wants guaranteed money, fast, regardless of the consequential outcome.
She was fully informed about every single issue that is happening now. She was told how this should have been refined before large scale launching. She already had staff that were all experts about what she is doing now that could’ve helped make this successful. She was told by many people, many people who even left before this year, that this was not the way to go. She treats our healthcare like she owns a candy shop, from the way shit’s phrased on the website, to the infantilising way she looks at complaints or our community in general.
She deserves to be held accountable without destroying private care at the same time.
Continuing to let her hold all the cards, is deteriorating the validity of private healthcare in the UK/EU. Policy makers will continue to hold her as an example set that private healthcare is dangerous, rather than turning a light on the fact that public healthcare is the thing that is killing our community.
She doesn’t deserve your respect, she doesn’t deserve your money, help the other companies thrive if you have the money to spend on them, but stop enabling Helen at every turn.

Spoiler: Screenshotted image - Warning Big

https://old.reddit.com/r/GenderGP/comments/1ctvx4i/lets_talk_about_the_realties_of_the_ongoings_with/

https://archive.is/gOP4g

 

[Haram-Habibi]

Y'know, after reading that long and so-very-heartbreaking post.......

IDGAF. Anyone involved with the Webberleys, either as an employee or a customer, had to know how they were. They didn't want to play by the rules years ago, and set this bullshit company up so they could keep doing what they were doing, at quite a profit. Congrats for helping them enjoy their nice retirement overseas, suckers!

And the employees of GenderGP? Yeah, well, they helped the Webberleys destroy other people's lives with hormone fuckery, every day they went to work. Every time they reassured someone on the fence about hormones that taking those drugs was a reasonable choice, they sent others down the path of future health problems for life. If you could manage to answer the phones for these cretins, you could have done it for a legit business, one that wasn't dedicated to evading the UK's rules and regulations.

Gee, did you ever ask yourself.....hmm, if they could evade UK laws regarding prescriptions, might they also evade UK laws regarding my job and legal rights as a worker? Could they also play stupid games with my "life saving health care", and be beyond the reach of UK authorities when I want to have it all set right?

I'm guessing....no, no you didn't, and now that it bit you in the ass, you expect sympathy? You expect the taxpayers of the UK to pay even more for Webberley-related shit?

Fuck off, freaks.

 

[Izdaja Slika]

They were cut back to 40 by mid March, and understandably if you read the post since it sounds like half of them were the sort who would spend most of the day whining that they didn't have the spoons to work.

I'd forgotten about the ADHD/autistic/"introverted"/insert-mental-illness here "spoon" analogy for the allocation and depletion of their psychological energy. You don't want to socialise with your friends? Own it. You don't like your work and it's a slog to get through some days? It's called work, not leisure time, you absolute unit. You find it hard to pay attention to boring things? Welcome to being alive and a normal human being you woe-is-me martyr.

You've got no spoons left to argue with me? I've got no shits left to give.

 

[Palla Strozzi]

This happened a couple of weeks ago, so apologies if it is already documented here and I just missed it - "Marianne" Oakes and son have left too. I'm pretty sure that Oakes was GGP's only actual counsellor.

@OakesMarianne May 9, 2024 · 4:58 PM UTC: Having spent the last 8 years honing my counselling skills supporting the trans & non-binary individuals of all ages, I am now able to announce I am able to offer gender affirming therapy through my private practice evolveonlinecounselling.co.u…

@OakesMarianne May 9, 2024 · 4:58 PM UTC:
This move will enable me to continue to serve my community while having full control over the direction of the service. To book a session or to find out more, please visit my website. #NewBeginings #Transgender #TransHealthcare #TransTherapy #TransTherapist #BanConversionTherapy

Here is an archive of the website.
A one-stop shop for trans brainwashing/social reinforcement of delusion by an authority figure. A shameless grift as he is offering "counselling" (obvs) but also "help" with things such as "life admin:"

LIFE ADMIN​

Navigating Official Documentation with Ease

Living in your true identity involves more than just personal changes; it often requires updating official documents and obtaining various letters of support. Evolve's Life Admin services are here to help you navigate these requirements smoothly and professionally.

Claims to have a "team," but from what I can tell, appears to be just Oakes and the son at the moment:

Headed up by Marianne Oakes, one of the UK’s leading names in Gender Affirming care, our Transgender specialist counsellors are experts in: Gender Dysphoria, psychosexual, relationship/couples.
Each and every team member, Marianne Oakes and Joseph Oakes, has supported countless individuals on their journey and with every new story comes a richer and deeper understanding of our relationship with gender.

Counselling with "Marianne," hypnotherapy with "Joseph." Good grief.

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And the steadily-imploding GGP now has a couple of new competitors in addition to Gender Plus (of above the chicken shop fame).
"Gender Doctors" (link; archive) appears to be one woman, a psychiatrist called Kirpal Sahota. Interestingly, she describes herself as a forensic psychiatrist, which is apt (from our point of view) but hardly counts as relevant expertise. So, almost certainly an opportunist/grifter. Says that she provides "guidance and medical support for all stages of the transition pathway." Claims to be a member of WPATH (so we know what her approach is); claims to be on staff at the Tavistock adult clinic. One hopes that she'd consult with and/or refer the patient to an endocrinologist at some stage, but from what I can tell it's only her.
The other one is "Gender Care" (link; archive). This is not one clinic or one person but appears to be a marketing scheme whereby a group of quacks have pooled the relevant resources in order to advertise themselves alongside one another and probably to shuttle patients from one form of "therapy" to another with greater ease (they even offer "voice therapy").

GenderCare is a network of individual healthcare practitioners, all qualified professionals experienced in the gender field.

Although working independently of one another, we share a general commitment to providing friendly, accessible private services, tailored to individual needs and timescales, in a variety of comfortable London settings. We work flexibly within national and international guidelines of best practice.

The "brains" behind the marketing scheme appears to be one Dr. Stuart Lorimer (this name rings a bell for me but I'm not entirely sure from where/on account of what). The fees page (archive) is really something:

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Puberty blockers have been banned even in private clinics, by a piece of temporary legislation that lasts three months, I believe.
Troons not happy, but GGP most affected.

The fucking Tories just banned puberty blockers - incl. via private prescription! For context, GenderGP has approx 1.2k young people as the ONLY way to get blockers. As of 2/6/24 ALL of them are going to be forcibly medically detransitioned! legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2024… @mimmymum May 29, 2024 · 7:19 PM UTC

The whole point of this is about what parents/ pharmacists BELIEVE. It’s not about technicalities of the law. The mainstream media will undoubtedly report this (loudly) in a way that doesn’t give the details. Once pharmacists BELIEVE it’s illegal they’ll refuse to prescribe.
@mimmymum
May 29, 2024 · 8:31 PM UTC

The only way there might be a way to persuade them otherwise is if their governing body advises them that they can fill GGP/ international prescription. I doubt that’s going to happen!
@mimmymum
May 29, 2024 · 8:31 PM UTC

"This law is not concerned with law, this law is about what people BELIEVE." Err, what?

 

[Palla Strozzi]

Mermaids put their foot in it again, publishing a text on their Facebook page that glorifies self-harm (this time, cutting). Remember, they're a "children's charity."

(That first bit of text is almost as damning, imo, because it really brings home how naive and disconnected from the reality of the world these kids are [a life of lazing about in the sun and picking flowers].)
Link (and an archive) to the "manifesto" project - the full text of which this quote was evidently considered some sort of highlight (pdf of the actual "manifesto" should be attached. Haven't properly looked at it yet myself but wanted to grab the first version in case it is yeeted or stealth-edited at some point).

Heartening.

I think is right and necessary to listen to children, and young people. But it is right and necessary for adults to behave like adults. Please don’t affirm or celebrate, or glorify, self harm. Any child or young person self harming, cutting arms, as described in your post, needs proper, responsible, qualified help. It is incredibly irresponsible and harmful to share a post in this way.

I am horrified that any charity would say this to girls who have had their breasts amputated because they were told it would help them feel better.
Youngsters struggling with their gender first and foremost need explorative therapy to help them understand their feelings, not to be advised to go for surgery.
Children’s brains do not mature till about 25, weeks are all struggling to find ourselves at that age.
Please listen to the regrets of detransitioners, at one point they were all persuaded that hormones and surgery were the answer.

No wonder this charity is under investigation. This is horrific.

This is poetry and art from someone who has been through a lot in their lives, it’s their way of expressing their feelings and the pain they’ve gone though. Don’t make assumptions that this was an easy thing for them to write. The charity is giving a voice to those that have gone through this process. All we’re looking for is love, not judgement or oppression. No one is glorifying anything here.

Noel Rooney are you sure? Really sure?

Not sure what "Top fan" means and if it pertains only to Mermaids, but somebody check this guy's hard-drive.

 

[Squirrel Nutkin]

"Doctor" Stuart Lorimer has been kicking around the UK gender butchery scene for a while. He was the "my milkshake brings all the troons to the yard" guy. Pooners got tattoos of his profile on their neck, that kinda stuff. Here's a sanitized link, https://gendercare.co.uk/stuart-lorimer.shtml, I think most of his worst exploits have been memory holed by now.

 

[Positron]

"Doctor" Stuart Lorimer

He is a "consultant" yet he doesn't have a Fellowship (he is an MRCPsych rather than a FRCPsych). What gives?

 

[Palla Strozzi]

"Doctor" Stuart Lorimer has been kicking around the UK gender butchery scene for a while. He was the "my milkshake brings all the troons to the yard" guy.

I knew his name rang a bell from somewhere, but I couldn't place where or why. This is a good summary of it, for anyone else interested.

He is a "consultant" yet he doesn't have a Fellowship (he is an MRCPsych rather than a FRCPsych). What gives?

Does that matter? Are the two things connected? I thought the difference was basically one of which membership fee you pay to the college and whether or not you've taken their exams, etc etc. Not that I would know either way.

 

[Positron]

Does that matter? Are the two things connected? I thought the difference was basically one of which membership fee you pay to the college and whether or not you've taken their exams, etc etc. Not that I would know either way.

It does matter. Traditionally Fellowship means the doctor has passed the society's "Exit Exam", having attained a high level of professional knowledge. I may be old but in my days it is unheard-of for someone to be promoted to Senior Medical Officer, much less Consultant, without passing the Exit Exam. Nowadays, more and more societies link Fellowship to research, and I suspect RCPsch is one of them.

This said, given his "speciality" is troons, it should have been trivial to accumulate a long list of publications, so why didn't he take advantage of this?

 

[Silence of the Troons]

>The [scars] across your arms would be proof of your resilience and strength
So, they're admitting that trooning out and self-harm are linked and that a high number of girls/women who become pooners are doing so because they're mentally unwell individuals?

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

The [scars] across your arms would be proof of your resilience and strength

They could be referring to the scars on one's arm that results in making the fake pingas, but the point stands.

I can't think of anyone more frail and emotionally immature than someone who self-injures.