Bodybuilders and Fitness Influencers Community - More drama than last time!

The sheer amounts of insanity that have come out of the bodybuilding community.

I remember from way back in the day where some gym bro came up with the idea that a certain 100% milk protein based formula intended as a dietary supplement for young calves was the ultimate solution for how to BULK THE FUCK UP and the craze spread like wildfire leading to bodybuilders trying out all sorts of barnyard animal supps.
 
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That sounds funny enough that there should be some remnants left on bodybuilding.com or some dead subreddit. Any idea what the formula was?

That sort of behavior reminds me of somethingawful's keto thread and how their dietary advice was so terrible it became a laughingstock outside the site when one of the OPs gave themselves hypertension in their mid 20s.
 
A Men's magazine personal trainer
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Glad that when I first got into fitness I got my information from isolated internet weirdos instead of these magazines. But we got a new soyjak
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this is the entire article btw, his entire claim to Men's Health fame
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this is the entire article btw, his entire claim to Men's Health fame
The guy's complete lack of muscle tone stands out to me more than his stomach. It's like he's trying to excuse himself as having a bulk-cycle powerlifter build but there's no muscle left to reveal when the fat is lost.
 
I used to watch CT and that probably started me down the bodybuilder content in my recommended feed and if you actually look at any of the pro girls - CT is not even remotely close in muscle definition or mass. What drugs she has done has already masculinized her features without the impressive bulk other women have. Both her chest and glutes are small and have little definition. I've watched her show vlogs and the competitors always edge her out, even when the group was not impressive to begin with.

CT has a glorified eating disorder she normalized via "body building" but she is not natty by her own definition but also hasn't shown much growth, and won't without doing more drugs at her age. I've never seen anyone have so much body checking ("posing") that is not directly related to showing off a pump. But every single video for over a year or more has her "practicing posing" in her bedroom and some work out montage to Eurotrash music. When I first watched her, I sort of admired her focus and drive but after so long you realize it's not at all about fitness or working out or living healthy, it's just her glorified eating disorder where she can blame someone else (the, trainer) for whatever loss/gains that happen because she's just following her dream guyzz.

In this perspective, her obsession with fat women in particular is less about awareness and more to make herself feel superior within her disorder. And a lot of body builders have eating disorders but CT has a very basic bitch version living her muscle mommy dreams. There are many other women in the fitness sphere making way better content.
 
This is a girl who wants on the pro card, and makes fun of fatties.

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The girls always drag her, but we're all fat and no one will have sex with us, so a man's opinion on her actual "skills" would be nice to hear.
Everybody loves to talk about the Wine & Cat™ lady, being childless after 30. But the mentions of the Roid Spinster is still to be documented more. She's not a pooner, but damn this is grim.

> she's natty, I can hear that in her voice
 
I was kind of expecting some sort of engagement in this forum regarding the very serious (!!!) drama surrounding Jeff Nippard and Mike van Wyck. I'm quite surprised that no one has posted anything about it as of yet (at least not in this thread), so I suppose I'll be the first one to do so! :-)

Jeff Nippard was assaulted by bodybuilder Mike van Wyck around two weeks ago. There's a plethora of videos detailing the incident. Here are the ones I've found to be the most informative after a quick search:


I'm sure there are other videos detailing the incident in greater detail. If you're interested in this incredibly childish temper tantrum by Mike van Wyck and his ballwashers, I'd encourage you to search for as much information about the situation as you can.

To cut it short, Jeff Nippard posted a video in response to a several weeks-old video posted by Mike van Wyck, in which Mike called out Jeff Nippard and others like him for being "mediocre pussies" who "let science dictate their training regime".

Incredibly, Mike van Wyck and others like him (like Wes Watson [search for this piece of shit at your own risk]) are somehow in opposition to "science based lifting". I can hardly grasp this mentality. Jeff Nippard & Co. rely on physiotherapy science to guide them in their journey towards building muscle, and for whatever reason, people like Mike van Wyck and Wes Watson finds issue in this, to the point where they will sanction and endorse Mike van Wyck assaulting Jeff Nippard in the gym.

It's an incredibly bizarre situation. The approach towards physical training by people like Jeff Nippard should obviously be championed, not dismissed, much less hated. How could you ever even begin to have misgivings about the rational approach to the most efficient way to building muscle, let alone to even go so far as to physically assault someone for a disagreement in this topic? It's all just baffling.

Apparently, Mike van Wyck has turned himself over to the police after the incident, an action which shows some form of rational thought.
 
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I'm sure there are other videos detailing the incident in greater detail. If you're interested in this incredibly childish temper tantrum by Mike van Wyck and his ballwashers, I'd encourage you to search for as much information about the situation as you can.
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1. Van Wyck was a pro bodybuilder, apparently, and one detail I keep hearing is that he got 13th place out of 15 at some pro bodybuilding event.
2. Van Wyck is apparently a fake tough guy who avoids fights when people willingly challenge him:
3. I can see why Nippard's response would be triggering to Van Wyck:
a. Nippard brings up his relative abundance of natty achievements. If Van Wyck's best result was really 13th place, he's been mogged.​
b. Nippard brings up steroids and genetics. Van Wyck is obviously on steroids. At some level he knows his gains have come from it. Given that his point essentially boils down to "ME BIG, YOU SMALL. YOU NOT KNOW HOW TO LIFT.", this is a heavy blow.​
c. Nippard brings up the fact that pro bodybuilders have coaches who have worse physiques than them. As above, this is a heavy blow against Van Wyck's main point.​
This is not to say that it somehow justifies the attack. But it does go some way in explaining it​
4. the shirt Van Wyck is wearing in the last vid is psychological projection. Someone smarter than him (Nippard) bested him in thinking and he got offended.
The approach towards physical training by people like Jeff Nippard should obviously be championed, not dismissed, let alone hated
On one hand, the state of sports science has its problems: untrained test subjects (who often use the wrong technique), small sample sizes, short study durations etc. There's also the factor that the "meta" in training has been a certain way, so introducing a new technique like lengthened partials will lead to a novel stimulus.

The other problem, in my opinion, is the rhetoric in the space. Some "Science based" influencers will exaggerate the effect of the study in their language. I've seen people promoting lengthened partials saying things like "HAVE YOUR GAINS GHOSTED YOU!?" when the studies themselves only state that theyre only equally good or slightly better than exercising normally - so it's an exaggeration at best!

However:
a. Unlike some other influencers I respect like Alex Bromley or Alex Leonidas, Van Wyck brings up precisely fuck-all of that.​
b. Nippard's rhetoric is much more toned down, so the 2nd point does not apply to him.​
c. Some knowledge of biomechanics, etc is necessary and encouraged - you would get laughed at if you thought overhead press was a biceps exercise, but yet if you nerd out like Ben Yanes or Nippard do, you're bad or something. What's a good line to draw? How much knowledge is too much?​
d. Generalizing the above point: Only the fitness community discourages refining your technique past a point. Every other field encourages it. Why?​
 
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Thanks for providing the additional details! :-)

Of all the reasons that resultet in van Wyck's temper tantrum, if think your description of his base mentality being "ME BIG, YOU SMALL. YOU NOT KNOW HOW TO LIFT" is at the heart of it. I reckon this philosophy of being the biggest ape in the schoolyard is at the heart of most things in Mike's life.

The fact that people like Jeff Nippard are phycsically smaller yet obviously vastly more intelligent than him seems to be a perpetual point of conflict for Mike. His framing of the whole situation as "nerdy small guys vs big stronk men like me" just screams kindergarten-level mentality that he, amazingly, never managed to outgrow.
One has to wonder if poor Mike got made fun of by the smart kids back in school? It seems to be a sore spot for him.
On one hand, the state of sports science has its problems
I don't doubt it. I can easily see "science based lifting" becoming a community of sorts, and an insufferable one at that.
I was mostly flabbergasted that people like Mike van Wyck take issue with people wanting to apply scientific research to their training. I don't think his objections to the "science based lifting" stems from anything but him having concocted some sort of infantile dichotomy of "real, large and hairy men vs science nerds".
That the mere notion of the scientific method being applied to bodybuilding seemingly awakens Mike's base mentality of "math guys nerdy and puny, while me stronk and no need of silly math!" is just wild. This is a grown man we're talking about (though apparently not).

When following this drama, I was unfortunately made aware of Wes Watson (mentioned in my other post) and Joey Stax.
These guys are all apparently routinely engaged in some sort of drama with other bodybuilders, to the point where they will confront them in public and threaten to beat them up.


These aren't men. They're petty, childish thugs. In the case of Wes Watson, he's literary an ex-convict, something he seemingly takes pride in. What a joke.

Their posturing and vain, childish playground fights reminds me of this:


c. Some knowledge of biomechanics, etc is necessary and encouraged - you would get laughed at if you thought overhead press was a biceps exercise, but yet if you nerd out like Ben Yanes or Nippard do, you're bad or something. What's a good line to draw? How much knowledge is too much?
Well now I suppose it's his livelihood, and so he has to keep making content. That, and this field of study is his passion. For "normal" people, going as in-depth as he does regarding optimal biomechanics is nonsensical, of course.
d. Generalizing the above point: Only the fitness community discourages refining your technique past a point. Every other field encourages it. Why?
All I can say for certainty is that the fitness community and the fitness industry is very strange.
 
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More news on the Van Wyck situation. For context: Fouad Abiad, host of a podcast, had previously refused to condemn Van Wyck after the assault on Nippard, stating that Van Wyck would continue to appear on his podcast, and that he was going to stick up for "his friend" through thick and thin. Van Wyck had also made merch essentially doubling down on the attack on Nippard. Greg Doucette condemned both Abiad and Van Wyck.

Now, Abiad has made a post (download attached) featuring a misleading cut of Greg, making it seem that he was promoting Van Wyck's clothing. And now Greg is MAD.
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https://youtube.com/watch?v=dDUvvBaC8d8More news on the Van Wyck situation. For context: Fouad Abiad, host of a podcast, had previously refused to condemn Van Wyck after the assault on Nippard, stating that Van Wyck would continue to appear on his podcast, and that he was going to stick up for "his friend" through thick and thin. Van Wyck had also made merch essentially doubling down on the attack on Nippard. Greg Doucette condemned both Abiad and Van Wyck.

Now, Abiad has made a post (download attached) featuring a misleading cut of Greg, making it seem that he was promoting Van Wyck's clothing. And now Greg is MAD.
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Interesting progression of the drama! :-)

As Greg says, this conduct is clearly illegal.
I'm far more interested in what the legal ramifications will be from this. Apparently there will only be content from Greg Doucette, but as with the assult against Jeff Nippard, there should be some serious legal consequences to be felt by Mike van Wyck, as there should be for mr. Abiad as well.

Still, one has to wonder how much of this is coordinated drama? The "beef" between Greg Doucette (I can hardly stand his high-pitch voice) and Mike Israetel is an obvious example of planned and coordinated drama. Good for them for knowing how to excite their audience and create engagement, I guess, but it's still a pathetic business model, in my humble opinion.
 
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