War What Hamas Called Its Female Captives, and Why It Matters

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This week, Israel released an appalling video featuring five female Israeli soldiers taken captive at Nahal Oz military base on October 7. Fearful and bloody, the women beg for their lives while Hamas fighters mill around and alternately threaten to kill them and compliment their appearance. The captors call the women “sabaya,” which Israel translated as “women who can get pregnant.” Almost immediately, others disputed the translation and said sabaya referred merely to “female captives” and included no reference to their fertility. “The Arabic word sabaya doesn’t have sexual connotations,” the Al Jazeera journalist Laila Al-Arian wrote in a post on X, taking exception to a Washington Post article that said that it did. She said the Israeli translation was “playing on racist and orientalist tropes about Arabs and Muslims.”
These are real women and victims of ongoing war crimes, so it does seem excessively lurid to suggest, without direct evidence, that they have been raped in captivity for the past several months. (“Eight months,” the Israelis noted, allowing readers to do the gestational math. “Think of what that means for these young women.”) But to assert that sabaya is devoid of sexual connotation reflects ignorance, at best. The word is well attested in classical sources and refers to female captives; the choice of a classical term over a modern one implies a fondness for classical modes of war, which codified sexual violence at scale. Just as concubine and comfort woman carry the befoulments of their historic use, sabaya is straightforwardly associated with what we moderns call rape. Anyone who uses sabaya in modern Gaza or Raqqah can be assumed to have specific and disgusting reasons to want to revive it.
The word sabaya recently reappeared in the modern Arabic lexicon through the efforts of the Islamic State. Unsurprisingly, then, the scholars best equipped for this analysis are the ones who observed and cataloged how ISIS revived sabaya(and many other dormant classical and medieval terms). I refer here to Aymenn J. Al-Tamimi, recently of Swansea University, and to Cole Bunzel of the Hoover Institution, who have both commented on this controversy without sensationalism, except insofar as the potential of sexual enslavement is inherently sensational.
Under classical Islamic jurisprudence on the law of war, the possible fates of enemy captives are four: They can be killed, ransomed, enslaved, or freed. Those enslaved are then subject to the rules that govern slavery in Islam—which are extensive, and are nearly as irrelevant to the daily lives of most living Muslims as the rules concerning slavery in Judaism are to the lives of most Jews. I say “nearly” because Jews have not had a state that sought to regulate slavery for many centuries, but the last majority-Muslim states abolished slavery only in the second half of the 20th century, and the Islamic State enthusiastically resumed the practice in 2014.
In doing so, the Islamic State reaffirmed the privileges, and duties, of the slave owner. (Bunzel observes that the Islamic State cited scholars who used the term sabaya as if captured women were considered slaves by default, and the other fates were implicitly improbable.) The slave owner is responsible for the welfare of the slave, including her food and shelter. He is allowed to have sex with female slaves, but certain rules apply. He may not sell her off until he can confirm that she isn’t pregnant, and he has obligations to her and to their children, if any are born from their union. I cannot stress enough that such relationships—that is, having sex with someone you own—constitute rape in all modern interpretations of the word, and they are frowned upon whether they occur in the Levant, the Hejaz, or Monticello.
But in the premodern context, before the rights revolution that consecrated every person with individual, unalienable worth, sex slavery was unremarkable, and the principal concern was not whether to do it but what to do with the children. The Prophet Muhammad freed a slave after she bore him a child. The Jewish paterfamilias Abraham released his slave Hagar into the desert 14 years after she bore him Ishmael. But these are cases from antiquity, and modern folk see things differently. Frederick Douglass, in the opening of his autobiography, emphasized the inhumanity of American slave owners by noting the abhorrent results of those relationships: fathers hating, owning, abusing, and selling their own kin.


Sabaya is a term in part born of the need to distinguish captives potentially subject to these procreative regulations from those who would be less complicated to own. To translate it as “women who can get pregnant” is regrettably misleading. It makes explicit what the word connotes, namely that these captives fall under a legal category with possibilities distinct from those of their male counterparts. As Al-Tamimi observes, Hamas could just as easily have used a standard Arabic word for female war captives, asirat. This neutral word is used on Arabic Wikipedia, say, for Jessica Lynch, the American prisoner of war from the 2003 Iraq invasion. Instead Hamas used a term with a different history.


One could read too much into the choice of words. No one, to my knowledge, has suggested that Hamas is following the Islamic State by reviving sex slavery as a legal category. I know of no evidence that it has done so, and if it did, I would expect many of the group’s supporters, even those comfortable with its killing of concertgoers and old people, to denounce the group. More likely, a single group of Hamas members used the word in an especially heady moment, during which they wanted to degrade and humiliate their captives as much as possible. Thankfully, the captives appear unaware of the language being used around them. The language suggests that the fighters were open to raping the women, but it could also just be reprehensible talk, after an already coarsening day of mass killing.
Reading too much into the language seems, at this point, to be less of a danger than reading too little into it. As soon as the Israeli translation came out, it was assailed for its inaccuracy, when it was actually just gesturing clumsily at a real, though not easily summarized, historical background. What, if anything, should the translation have said? “Female captives” does not carry the appropriate resonance; “sex-slavery candidates” would err in the other direction and imply too much. Every translation loses something. Is there a word in English that conveys that one views the battered women in one’s control as potentially sexually available? I think probably not. I would be very careful before speaking up to defend the user of such a word.
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I'm betting now that no hostages were raped.

On the one hand jews are known to lie, on the other hand mohammedans are known to rape everything that moves. And frankly, I think the latter holds more weight. Are we supposed to believe in the existence of muslims who do not rape when given the opportunity? You might as well believe in big foot.
 
"which Israel translated"
yeah no shit
Just like some Christians look for a special sinister meaning in the word "Islam", when Christian prayers and rituals are even more degrading.
Just like some comservatives look for a special sinister meaning in the Russian word "truth", then turn around and poast on Truth Social.

There's no need to look to yeeds for the super speshul sekrit translation of an Arabic word.
I'm willing to bet the word simply means "adult woman", as opposed to "small girl" and "granny".
Even when it comes to something like this, Israel still lies. They can’t help themselves.
 
It’s so bizarre to me to see Neo Nazis and far right partisans who will tell you about Arab savagery when they are imported to the west(and you can find thousands of examples of how vicious Arabs are) will also tell you “uh Hamas isn’t hurting any of these jewesses, they are noble lions with knightly honor”

Like IDC, if you hate Jews say they deserve it or it’s irrelevant but don’t try to tell me Arabs aren’t animals that rape anything they can.
 
This week, Israel released an appalling video featuring five female Israeli soldiers taken captive at Nahal Oz military base on October 7. Fearful and bloody, the women beg for their lives while Hamas fighters mill around and alternately threaten to kill them and compliment their appearance. The captors call the women “sabaya,” which Israel translated as “women who can get pregnant.” Almost immediately, others disputed the translation and said sabaya referred merely to “female captives” and included no reference to their fertility. “The Arabic word sabaya doesn’t have sexual connotations,” the Al Jazeera journalist Laila Al-Arian wrote in a post on X, taking exception to a Washington Post article that said that it did. She said the Israeli translation was “playing on racist and orientalist tropes about Arabs and Muslims.”


I just can't get over the disconnect of the media pushing hard for female soldiers showing them dual wielding machine guns and karate chopping 10 heavily armed men simultaneously with their bare fists set to a blaring Metallica song.

Then you have a commercial break and its suddenly the water works where we cry over these delicate flowers, tears streaming down their face as their lady honor is threatened by a succession of big bad uncaring male dominated governments, sexually harassing male bunk mates, and male enemy soldiers to pastel transitions and sad violin music.
 
Don't allow yourself to be taken captive. You know they're going to kill you anyway, so make them have to earn it. Don't let yourself be taken to a secondary location, don't submit, don't go along with their commands, don't lay on the ground, don't ever surrender.
 
On the one hand jews are known to lie, on the other hand mohammedans are known to rape everything that moves. And frankly, I think the latter holds more weight. Are we supposed to believe in the existence of muslims who do not rape when given the opportunity? You might as well believe in big foot.

bigfoot is real shut up
 
Wow that sucks ass but I'm still not interested in stolen american money going to fund Israel (that then sends it to Hamas) nor am I interested in the U.S. being involved in a war with yet another regional power in the M.E.
 
It’s so bizarre to me to see Neo Nazis and far right partisans who will tell you about Arab savagery when they are imported to the west(and you can find thousands of examples of how vicious Arabs are) will also tell you “uh Hamas isn’t hurting any of these jewesses, they are noble lions with knightly honor”

Like IDC, if you hate Jews say they deserve it or it’s irrelevant but don’t try to tell me Arabs aren’t animals that rape anything they can.
Neo Nazis are hypocritical morons just like anyone else's that dedicates their lives to a political ideology.
Men: DA BROWN IMMIGRANT RAPE GANGS
Also men: Da browns didn't rape those women they're all lying
It's human nature, cognitive dissonance, one fact is only true when it's convenient to their own world view plus people don't usually care about something like this unless it's happening to their own people.
 
Are we supposed to believe in the existence of muslims who do not rape when given the opportunity? You might as well believe in big foot.
The rape of women referred to with the same word by ISIS had a lot of rules and they even sometimes brought individual cases of their treatment before their courts. I think these jihadists are more disciplined than a literal drunken rape gang in the UK.

Also, JEWS LIE.

It's amazing it takes like a week of looking at something else and the whole world can forget this.

Wasn't Mia Schem, a conventionally attractive young woman, not raped? If they didn't rape her, I don't think they'll rape any of the other jewesses.

I answered my own question.

 
Men: DA BROWN IMMIGRANT RAPE GANGS
Also men: Da browns didn't rape those women they're all lying
It's human nature, cognitive dissonance, one fact is only true when it's convenient to their own world view plus people don't usually care about something like this unless it's happening to their own people.
They know and they don't care because they have jew fatigue. It's not difficult to understand even if you don't agree with their viewpoint.
 
Also, JEWS LIE.

Yes they do, and mohammedans rape everything that moves, and a few things that does not move. Their religion commands them to rape. Their prophet was a prolific rapist amd child molester.

The concept of a non-rapist muslim I would consider highly implausible.
 
Too many of these Jews were oblivious to how Muslim immigrants called whore euro women: whores. And if they did, they didn't care.

Now they care.
 
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