Modern political division - The present and future of how political groups will be presented

Which group are you?

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The first axis, the one men and women are divided on is progressivism and conservatism. You know the issues are, T people, homosexual people, womens rights, etc. It's essentially a measurement of how one reacts to societal degeneration. Obviously women are more progressive, and men are more conservative. With modern geopolitics, progressives tend to support Ukraine, and conservatives tend to support Russia.

The second axis is more divided along whites and non whites, it's a bit harder to explain but it's more Americanism and anti-Americanism (maybe darwinism and non darwinism?) it's essentially how one reacts to societal unfairness. Americanism is the ideology that America and Europe should have their grip on the entire world and and that the Euro-American sphere have the correct view on everything. Whites tend to be in this group, but you'll find other types. Americanists tend to support Israel and anti Americans tend to support Palestine. Americanists tend to be more in support of wars while anti americanists aren't.

Now that everything is established, let's go into the four quadrants/categories.

Americanist-Conservative.

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This groups goal is to banish the liberal progressive grip on America, promote the interests of Europeans(even to others detriment) and restore the traditional world, wether it be the 1600s or the 2000s. Their biggest enemies are the liberal establishment. At lower IQs these guys are pretty much just mainstream trumpers/evangelicalist types who still go on about owning the libs, at higher IQs they're a bit more deeper regarding right wing philosophy and are familiar with things such as italian elite theory. Examples of people in this group are Ben Shapiro, Bronze age pervert and Academic agent. This group consists primarily of white men, though you will find hispanics, pajeets

Anti Americanist-Conservative

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I'll try not to show too much bias towards this group, but this is the one that I'm in. It consists of non white men, anti woke leftists, this weird new group of "maga communists", China fans, muslim men(And muslim women, specifically the ones who wear hijab) Their biggest enemy is the American Government and its military.. They pride themselves in fully understanding geopolitics and pretty much go against anything the establishment tries to peddle. They tend to be sympathetic regarding socialist despite alot of this group having incredibly conservative views. I will say, I am a tad bit annoyed that the east is winning because America is just retarded and Europe is bringing in millions of immigrants. Examples of people in this group is Ali Khamenei, Andrew Tate, Infrared/haz.

Anti Americanist-Progressive

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These chicks, despite being anti colonialist and against Americas dominance support alot of ideologies which emerge from them. Really their goal is for brown countries to become progressive on their own accords and for western countries to give fairer treatment to their group They, like their conservative counterpart are also sympathetic of socialism, however not being a socialist wont get you ejected from their group, however not supporting progressivism will. They understand the world emotionally first and foremost, and are the most sincere supporters of progressivism. Their biggest enemies are pretty much anybody who's homophobic, transphobic, whatever. They also have a deep resentment of men despite the fact that getting men on board is what builds things. Since october 7th they lost alot of their institutional power due to their support of Palestine. This group is comprised of brown women, LGBTQ people, and sprinklings of other types which feel weak and dejected. Examples of people in this group would be Hasan Piker and Vaush(It could be argued that vaush is in the next group) yeah. At this moment I can't name anyone else, please remind me of examples.

Americanist Progressive.

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These people support the liberal establishment on everything, from China to troons. Socially progressive diversity is our strength capitalists. They support the establishment unashamedly on everything and are fully vaxxed. They hope that America takes over the entire world and forces everyone to be gay or dead they also support mass immigration too... I would say white women support this group the most, but the issue is that white women are mostly apolitical. No, the people who support this group are the establishment. Essentially the professional managerial class. These people are generally the smallest group. Examples of people in this group are Contrapoints and Destiny.

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(Isabella Janke although her sin goes beyond her political views is a good example of this group)

Another thing I should mention about this group, there is a contingency of white women in this, they're essentially feminists but racist, hate troons and against mass immigration. Sure they may seem based, but it's essentially just a Machiavellian game to them, they have disdain for so many groups, white trash, trannies ETC but conveniently want alot of leeway for whores and don't think women should have any sort of expectations they're just advocating for everything in society to serve them. Non white women accompany this group, their goals are to marry a white man, thereby becoming white themselves. There is also a strange subset of racist "femboy" types which are in this group.

Conclusion

I'll probably come back to this post and edit and clarify some things. Anyways if you really think I'm somehow incorrect, keep in mind, this stuff is already graphed out. In the future, these political divisions will become even more apparent, kind of like how men and women in South Korea are divided politically.

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I hate these new politics. Getting liberals to cooperate with commies, ostracising the whole western right-wing and dismantling imperialism has directly gave rise to this fucked political landscape and radical factions. The elites aren't as intelligent as people think, just lucky so far.
I will say, I am a tad bit annoyed that the east is winning
lmao the east is not winning.
Since october 7th they lost alot of their institutional power due to their support of Palestine.
Getting fired by Google for protesting in their offices isn't losing institutional power. The universities are still strongholds, where the pro-third worldism and commie shit has only been made stronger, and the next batch of ideologues to worm into positions of power will be even more fanatical and unhinged. Especially with the genocide language and indoctrination.
 
An easier and better way of saying this is globalism vs anti-globalism, with social views being the secondary axis. Even Wikipedia has (or had) a decent article on this idea and called it open vs closed politics. One can see the entire world re-orienting itself around these types of politics, especially Western countries. "Far-right" would be of course shorthand for anti-globalist conservative.

But this hasn't happened everywhere. For example, with the Ukraine War you have tankies and other commies on the same team standing against the Ukraine alongside ardent conservatives and /pol/ types, while literal neo-Nazis stand alongside progressives in cheering on the Ukraine. That's because in the Ukraine (and Belarus and Russia itself), politics isn't yet centered around globalism.
 
An easier and better way of saying this is globalism vs anti-globalism, with social views being the secondary axis. Even Wikipedia has (or had) a decent article on this idea and called it open vs closed politics. One can see the entire world re-orienting itself around these types of politics, especially Western countries. "Far-right" would be of course shorthand for anti-globalist conservative.

But this hasn't happened everywhere. For example, with the Ukraine War you have tankies and other commies on the same team standing against the Ukraine alongside ardent conservatives and /pol/ types, while literal neo-Nazis stand alongside progressives in cheering on the Ukraine. That's because in the Ukraine (and Belarus and Russia itself), politics isn't yet centered around globalism.
Are you sure that's a good way of looking at it? If anything the situation in Ukraine is America being globalist. Maybe by globalist you mean, handling geopolitics diplomatically?
 
There's a fuckload of granulation to politics leading to over-analyzing being a problem as much as over-generalization can be. For this reason I like the old-school Authoritarianism/Libertarianism | Left/Right axes with an added Z layer for one, and only one, at a time topic like globalism/nationalism etc.

For what it's worth I don't think there's a "modern" political divide at all. Most people seemingly don't understand power, distribution of power, and its effects or even really care about any of that old bullshit. It's a lot of ultimately pointless tribalistic finger-pointing horse-shit pertaining to secondary, tertiary, or even quaternary effects of a century of ossified power structures/dynamics further accruing and consolidating power over the governed. That or it's shit that's already been tried and has failed, or ended similarly to where we're at now in the West™ (see fate of empires by John Glubb, mandatory reading as far as I'm concerned if you're talking politics) or a rehashing of that shit that doesn't deal with the actual font from which spring these problems that lead to this "divide" to begin with.

In effect, although I'm a white, right-leaning, decidedly capitalist libertarian I have more common ground with a fucking Leninist-Communist than I do a white ethnonationalist or modern american conservative, in that the communist at least in part actually somewhat understands what the fucking problem in our societies is, rather than blaming muh progressives or whatever they directly attack one of two vehicles of centralization - even if they think all capitalism is the same, their rightful umbrage with vulture or crony capitalism strikes at the heart of a lot of societal dysfunction we can see the effects of today.

I like to say that a world with no government and one economy is the same as a world with no economy and one government to help explain this problem. To me, none of these "divides" matter as it's all the same bullshit in different flavors if it isn't dealing with the key fucking problem of over-centralization of power/authority.
 
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Are you sure that's a good way of looking at it? If anything the situation in Ukraine is America being globalist. Maybe by globalist you mean, handling geopolitics diplomatically?
Yes, the situation with the Ukraine is indeed America being globalist, but Ukraine's own politics weren't centered around globalism. That's why the Azov neo-Nazis are on the same side as a Jewish president and the people in Kiev running the gay pride parades, and the ones against them in Ukraine are a mix of commies and conservatives. In the West you don't see that like for instance on the left, only a few old-school communists are against giving aid to the Ukraine.
 
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