US Navy cancels ship briefings after damning internal report - As China’s fleet grows, the U.S. is struggling with fresh delays in building new subs and warships.

Navy cancels ship briefings after damning internal report
Politico (archive.ph)
By Paul McLeary, Connor O'Brien, and Lee Hudson
2024-04-07 11:00:00GMT

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Then-Vice Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Lisa Franchetti meets with leadership from General Dynamics Electric Boat while touring the facility in Quonset Point, Rhode Island, on Oct. 19, 2023. | Amanda R. Gray/U.S. Navy

As the Navy’s largest U.S. trade show gets underway on Monday, officers in charge of the service’s marquee shipbuilding programs won’t offer the usual briefings with reporters and analysts about them.


That break from the tradition of sharing program updates at the Navy’s Sea-Air-Space Exposition comes just days after the Navy announced that four of its most critical shipbuilding programs are years behind schedule.

The Navy’s top admiral and civilian secretary have still not responded to questions about a damning Navy report released Tuesday outlining the sweeping failure of the Navy and its industrial partners to make expected progress on two submarine programs, an aircraft carrier and a new class of frigates.

“Our nation should be incredibly frustrated to see such systemic delays to our marquee shipbuilding programs,” Rep. Rob Wittman, (R-Va.) said.

The delays, from one to three years each depending on the program, come as the Navy and Pentagon pour billions into modernizing and upgrading shipyards in an attempt to build and repair ships more quickly and keep pace with China. Beijing’s navy has already surpassed the U.S. in size.

But supply chain issues caused by Covid and the Navy’s insistence on changing the design of its ships even as workers build them have thrown the service’s plans into uncertainty.

Aware of the issues for years, the Navy is still unsure how to fix them.

“We don’t have detailed plans of action, milestones, initiatives — we are identifying and deeply looking into where we are now in a ‘get real, get better’ approach,” Nickolas Guertin, the Navy’s senior acquisition executive, told reporters at the Pentagon on Tuesday after unveiling the results of the Navy-ordered 45-day study.

“We found that we have issues that need to be resolved,” he said. “But we don’t have all those things completely nailed down yet.”

Usually at the trade show at National Harbor, Maryland, Navy program managers provide updates of their shipbuilding programs, giving industry executives and reporters the opportunity to ask questions about their multibillion-dollar projects.

The briefings cover the Navy’s most important programs — with new classes of submarines and aircraft carriers always being the most critical. Reporters and other analysts use the briefings and interviews with Navy officers running them to chart progress the service is, or isn’t, making in order to get them out to sea.

Two people familiar with the issue say Navy leaders instructed the program managers not to hold their public briefings because the conference came too close to the release of the shipbuilding study, which is already sure to dominate the three-day event.

The list of programs cuts to the very heart of the kind of fleet that the Pentagon says it needs in the Pacific to counter China, and to replace aging ships that are experiencing extended deployments due to the lack of available replacements.

The revelations came in a one-page fact sheet the Navy put together outlining the findings of Navy Secretary Carlos Del Toro’s 45-day shipbuilding study which he ordered in January. Neither Del Toro or the service’s top officer, Adm. Lisa Franchetti, released a statement or commented on the report, which shows a total of 11 years worth of delays across the affected programs.

Two classes of nuclear-powered submarines lead the list of delays, one of which will be the main carrier of the nation’s sea-based nuclear missiles.

That submarine, the first of 12 planned Columbia-class boats built by General Dynamics Electric Boat and HII, is projected to be 12 to 16 months late, pushing it from an original 2027 delivery date to some time in late 2028 or 2029. The Navy has for years called the program its No. 1 priority and has cut budgets in other areas in order to try to keep it on schedule. The Columbia subs will replace the Ohio-class nuclear subs that Department of Defense will start retiring this decade.

Also delayed are two modernized versions of the workhorse Virginia-class submarine, also built by Electric Boat and HII, will be two and three years late, respectively.

The third Gerald R. Ford-class aircraft carrier Enterprise, built by HII, will also be as much as two years late, and the first Constellation-class frigate being built by Fincantieri Marinette Marine is three years behind schedule. That’s a huge slide form the projected one-year delay announced in January.

The delays in so many programs critical to how the U.S. projects power across the globe is virtually unprecedented, and is the result of decades of underinvestment in shipyards and relying on a shrinking number of shipbuilders to build the nation’s fleet.

“The delays we see today across these programs will have real ramifications for our national defense as we seek to deter adversaries like China, Russia and Iran,” said Wittman, whose home state of Virginia includes HII shipyards where the carriers and submarines are built.

Navy and Pentagon leadership point to the Covid supply chain disruptions as one reason for the delays, but there are also self-inflicted wounds that have slowed production.

Case in point is the Navy’s new frigate program, envisioned as a small, fast ship that the Navy would be able to build relatively quickly because it’s based on an Italian design already in use by several European countries.

When the contract was awarded to Fincantieri Marinette Marine in April 2020, the Navy was looking to keep 85 percent of the ship as-is and avoid including too many new technologies, thereby decreasing costs and reducing risk.

But today, the version being built at a shipyard in Wisconsin shares only 15 percent commonality with the original design, according to one person familiar with the planning, and the Navy isn’t done yet. The person, like others in this story, was granted anonymity to discuss changes to the ship design that are not public.

The Navy changed speed and survivability requirements from the original design, according to a second person familiar with the planning.

Speaking with reporters Tuesday at the Pentagon, Vice Adm. James Downey, head of the Naval Sea Systems Command, said the service was still making changes to the design despite the fact that construction on the first ship began in August 2022. “We’re working to finalize [plans] over this year,” he said.

Those constant and continuing changes have led to delays and increased costs. So much has changed, despite the Navy’s promises to keep the process simple, that “it’s like a new hull, we might as well start from scratch,” said Bryan Clark, a retired Navy submarine officer.

“The Navy just keeps larding new requirements on the ships,” said Clark, who is now at the Hudson Institute. “And each new generation is so much more sophisticated than the predecessor that inevitably you’re going to get to the point where you’re just asking too much of the shipbuilding industry to punch out the ships on quick timeliness.”

The delays have caught the eye of Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin.

“The secretary is focused on increasing the capability and capacity of our shipbuilding industrial base,” Pentagon spokesperson Maj. Gen. Pat Ryder said in a statement. “He continues to engage with Navy leadership and with industry to drive solutions that will mitigate scheduling risk and meet our national security requirements.”

Ryder noted the investments the Pentagon is pouring into shipyards to modernize their operations and make sure supply chains are well funded.

The Pentagon has spent billions on modernizing shipyards over the past several years, and $3.4 billion for the submarine industrial base remains mired in the supplemental bill that Republicans continue to block in the House after it passed the Senate.

The news isn’t sitting well with lawmakers who have already criticized Navy plans to grow the fleet as too slow from the start. They’re almost certain to press the issue with Navy brass when they visit Capitol Hill to defend their budget proposal starting this month.

The top Democrat on the House Armed Services Seapower panel, Rep. Joe Courtney, said the review by the Navy “lacks specifics on the source of program delays across all surface and submarine programs, which Congress needs in order to determine the path forward.”

The Connecticut Democrat, whose district is home to the General Dynamics Electric Boat shipyard that builds submarines, also dinged the service for seeking to purchase fewer ships, notably one less attack sub, in its most recent budget.

“Cutting procurement as proposed by the Navy’s 2025 shipbuilding plan arguably compounds [the] delay rather than solves it,” Courtney said.

Christopher Kastner, HII’s president and CEO, told reporters Thursday at his office in Arlington, Virginia, that he agrees funding to buy materials in advance for the Virginia-class submarine must stay on track.

“That can’t be delayed,” he said. A delay “puts you behind the eight ball, and it’s a risk that we can’t deal with.”

He also argues industry needs $1 billion in fiscal 2025 for Virginia-class submarine suppliers.

One of the major impediments to getting the ships done on time has been worker shortages at many of the nation’s shipyards. The Wisconsin yard building the frigate, which also built one of the two versions of the littoral combat ship that have been plagued with mechanical issues, has struggled to find skilled laborers, despite multiple programs to recruit and train welders and other workers.

HII has also had trouble finding skilled workers for its shipbuilding programs, and since 2020, has spent $450 million in training, Kastner said.

While the defense committees may look to add hulls to the Navy’s plans, they’ll be challenged by limits on defense spending imposed by last year’s debt limit deal that will make funding new ships a tough financial trade-off without relief from the caps. Expect lawmakers also to double down mechanisms they’ve granted the Navy in recent years and argue will save money, such as multiyear procurement authority.

Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.), who chairs the Senate Armed Services Seapower subcommittee, said the review exposes significant workforce shortfalls. The Virginia Democrat said he’d use upcoming defense legislation to help build up the defense workforce and would push for his bill to expand access to job training programs that could help train more shipbuilding workers.

“I’m committed to ensuring our shipbuilders have the resources and workforce they need to deliver ships to our military in a timely manner,” Kaine said. “This report shows we still have much more to do to get there.”
 
I hate EPA more and more with each passing day
You have no idea. You think you hate the EPA, but you cannot mirror me and my colleagues' hatred.

And, funnily enough, their fuckery was ultimately pointless. Despite their efforts, the land around our site is so contaminated now that we're probably worse than Pripyat for future habitation and at this point we might as well just keep going ahead. Recently the EPA swam up our assholes again because some chemical contaminate in our soil and groundwater is over 10,000 times the legal limit. IDK what is going to happen from that, apparently corporate has known for a decade or so, but the EPA (and us workers) only found out a month ago.
 
Our navy in a shit state would wipe our asses with Chinas navy in A class condition. Everyone knows this.

Stop dreaming that China has an edge when it simply does not.
Cold hard reality is that Supercarriers are likely obsolete. Yet we still plan to build a dozen more of the things. They have value yes, but the second an actual war on the seas happens again every single big flat top boat is getting sent to Davy Jone's Locker.

By missile boats that engage from 200 miles or more away with hyper sonics. Of which there is no realistic defense, especially if they shoot 15 of the things at you just to be sure.
 
Cold hard reality is that Supercarriers are likely obsolete. Yet we still plan to build a dozen more of the things. They have value yes, but the second an actual war on the seas happens again every single big flat top boat is getting sent to Davy Jone's Locker.

By missile boats that engage from 200 miles or more away with hyper sonics. Of which there is no realistic defense, especially if they shoot 15 of the things at you just to be sure.
Everything built is technically obsolete shortly thereafter. So what if they have hypersonic missiles? What’s the point then, not have a navy?

Everything that gets built has a weakness; the only question really is an actual conventional war realistic?

Soon someone is going to say all aircraft carriers are obsolete. They all have value.

If China wants to shoot down our ships with missiles then they are welcome to do so. The consequence is obvious and it won’t be hypersonic missile that anyone will be worried about
 
Everything built is technically obsolete shortly thereafter. So what if they have hypersonic missiles? What’s the point then, not have a navy?

Everything that gets built has a weakness; the only question really is an actual conventional war realistic?

Soon someone is going to say all aircraft carriers are obsolete. They all have value.

If China wants to shoot down our ships with missiles then they are welcome to do so. The consequence is obvious and it won’t be hypersonic missile that anyone will be worried about

Okay?. Continuing to build them like it's still 1985 is the insanity.

Also conventional war realistic? Maybe you've missed the one going on in Ukraine the past few years.
 
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In my humble opinion I think the needs of the USN would be better served by a greater number of smaller carriers with more frigates to screen them. The USN having such trouble figuring out how to build frigates that they've needed to get a workable design off an Italian shipbuilding firm and then red taped the American side of their shipbuilding operation to the point where the first build is already three years behind schedule shows that these retards have no idea what they're doing.
 
Cold hard reality is that Supercarriers are likely obsolete. Yet we still plan to build a dozen more of the things. They have value yes, but the second an actual war on the seas happens again every single big flat top boat is getting sent to Davy Jone's Locker.

By missile boats that engage from 200 miles or more away with hyper sonics. Of which there is no realistic defense, especially if they shoot 15 of the things at you just to be sure.
Someone should tell China! They’re building them as fast as they can. Type 3 is expected to be online next year, with Type 4 ready by the end of the decade.

The US navy has twice the mass of the current Chinese fleet. (2.4 million tonnes vs 4.7 million) If small ships were the easy answer, the Chinese wouldn’t be investing heavily into catching up on Cruisers and Carriers. They would just keep making patrol boats with a few missile tubes.
 
It's not that Supercarriers are obsolete, but the Navy pointblank needs more combatant ships and there aren't exactly a lot of hands to man them. The USN is the worst hit of the branches in regards to the recruitment crisis, and the thing is that unlike other branches like the Army where lower manning can be "rectified" in a way by amalgamation, the same isn't true of the Navy. If two Army divisions are undermanned then they can, theoretically, fold them into one full-strength combat ready division without losing too much in the way of military readiness. You can't do this with the Navy, because you can't just take men from ships without losing significantly in readiness and operational capability. Frigates, destroyers, and cruisers can still deliver punches and defend against air attack while not requiring the massive manning requirements of a carrier.
 
If we accept, at face value, reports that the black hole that is the Ukraine has depleted western ammunition stocks to dangerously low levels, then the question is: Do we have the raw materials, the manufacturing capacity and manufacturing, know-how to fight the kind of war of attrition that is going on between Russian and the Ukraine and that seems to be coming back into fashion?

Back in 40s there were factories and shipyards that could be turned toward militaristic purpose. That's all gone now in the West. A nation like China at least has the option to tell its workers 'Okay, you're not making iPhone components any more - you are making this instead.'
 
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The US military needs a good amount of house keeping and restructuring
Literally every program in the military I’m aware of has been a procurement disaster. Most people smart enough to make stuff work don’t care anymore because the whole system is corrupt.

The sycophants dumb enough to fall for the system’s propaganda and DEIs generally aren’t smart enough to make things work either. So, everything breaks. Nothing works. And the elite will learn the lesson that infinite money is not a magical cure-all only after cement is poured into the air vents and over the entrance of their doomsday bunkers.
 
Carriers are many things. Slow is not one of them. It's propellers are powered by a nuclear reactor. Their top speed is classified, but Sailors swear they can hydroplane like a bass boat going drunk redneck fast when they crank the bitch up to combat speed.

More to the point, China Missile Spam is not the end all be all, and it's not quite as simple as you flippantly put it to land a mission kill on a carrier with them. Especially when doing over the horizon cruise and ballistic missiles.
 
Well no, carriers are pretty slow relative to the things that would be hunting them. But all ships are because even 40 knots is nothing compared to air/missile threats.
 
Are we building any other ships than supercarriers? Aren't the latest destroyer and cruiser ship classes abject failures? Does Emma have enough moms to crew these ships?
 
Carriers aren't obsolete, but aren't the automatic I win button anymore.

They are still plenty useful in a support role as they are a floating airfield. Sure beats having to clear the jungle and make it F35 worthy in space 'Nam.

But with a strict naval battle or a navy vs missile battery on the shore, they maybe less useful than they used to be.

And as with these new ships and the F35, they suffer from the jack of all trades, master of all trades, amd cheap too curse.
 
I only have had a chance to see a narrow slice of this issue from my own personal experience, but the foundry I work at has a critical shortage of a key nuclear material for the reactors on the U.S. naval fleet. Turns out that China runs the lowest levels of the supply chain and have been playing hard ball with the supply. We used to get it domestically, but domestic production was shut down thanks to EPA concerns
Oh no!
When I was saying this last week I was called a "Russian Shill"
 
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