US Navy cancels ship briefings after damning internal report - As China’s fleet grows, the U.S. is struggling with fresh delays in building new subs and warships.

Navy cancels ship briefings after damning internal report
Politico (archive.ph)
By Paul McLeary, Connor O'Brien, and Lee Hudson
2024-04-07 11:00:00GMT

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Then-Vice Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Lisa Franchetti meets with leadership from General Dynamics Electric Boat while touring the facility in Quonset Point, Rhode Island, on Oct. 19, 2023. | Amanda R. Gray/U.S. Navy

As the Navy’s largest U.S. trade show gets underway on Monday, officers in charge of the service’s marquee shipbuilding programs won’t offer the usual briefings with reporters and analysts about them.


That break from the tradition of sharing program updates at the Navy’s Sea-Air-Space Exposition comes just days after the Navy announced that four of its most critical shipbuilding programs are years behind schedule.

The Navy’s top admiral and civilian secretary have still not responded to questions about a damning Navy report released Tuesday outlining the sweeping failure of the Navy and its industrial partners to make expected progress on two submarine programs, an aircraft carrier and a new class of frigates.

“Our nation should be incredibly frustrated to see such systemic delays to our marquee shipbuilding programs,” Rep. Rob Wittman, (R-Va.) said.

The delays, from one to three years each depending on the program, come as the Navy and Pentagon pour billions into modernizing and upgrading shipyards in an attempt to build and repair ships more quickly and keep pace with China. Beijing’s navy has already surpassed the U.S. in size.

But supply chain issues caused by Covid and the Navy’s insistence on changing the design of its ships even as workers build them have thrown the service’s plans into uncertainty.

Aware of the issues for years, the Navy is still unsure how to fix them.

“We don’t have detailed plans of action, milestones, initiatives — we are identifying and deeply looking into where we are now in a ‘get real, get better’ approach,” Nickolas Guertin, the Navy’s senior acquisition executive, told reporters at the Pentagon on Tuesday after unveiling the results of the Navy-ordered 45-day study.

“We found that we have issues that need to be resolved,” he said. “But we don’t have all those things completely nailed down yet.”

Usually at the trade show at National Harbor, Maryland, Navy program managers provide updates of their shipbuilding programs, giving industry executives and reporters the opportunity to ask questions about their multibillion-dollar projects.

The briefings cover the Navy’s most important programs — with new classes of submarines and aircraft carriers always being the most critical. Reporters and other analysts use the briefings and interviews with Navy officers running them to chart progress the service is, or isn’t, making in order to get them out to sea.

Two people familiar with the issue say Navy leaders instructed the program managers not to hold their public briefings because the conference came too close to the release of the shipbuilding study, which is already sure to dominate the three-day event.

The list of programs cuts to the very heart of the kind of fleet that the Pentagon says it needs in the Pacific to counter China, and to replace aging ships that are experiencing extended deployments due to the lack of available replacements.

The revelations came in a one-page fact sheet the Navy put together outlining the findings of Navy Secretary Carlos Del Toro’s 45-day shipbuilding study which he ordered in January. Neither Del Toro or the service’s top officer, Adm. Lisa Franchetti, released a statement or commented on the report, which shows a total of 11 years worth of delays across the affected programs.

Two classes of nuclear-powered submarines lead the list of delays, one of which will be the main carrier of the nation’s sea-based nuclear missiles.

That submarine, the first of 12 planned Columbia-class boats built by General Dynamics Electric Boat and HII, is projected to be 12 to 16 months late, pushing it from an original 2027 delivery date to some time in late 2028 or 2029. The Navy has for years called the program its No. 1 priority and has cut budgets in other areas in order to try to keep it on schedule. The Columbia subs will replace the Ohio-class nuclear subs that Department of Defense will start retiring this decade.

Also delayed are two modernized versions of the workhorse Virginia-class submarine, also built by Electric Boat and HII, will be two and three years late, respectively.

The third Gerald R. Ford-class aircraft carrier Enterprise, built by HII, will also be as much as two years late, and the first Constellation-class frigate being built by Fincantieri Marinette Marine is three years behind schedule. That’s a huge slide form the projected one-year delay announced in January.

The delays in so many programs critical to how the U.S. projects power across the globe is virtually unprecedented, and is the result of decades of underinvestment in shipyards and relying on a shrinking number of shipbuilders to build the nation’s fleet.

“The delays we see today across these programs will have real ramifications for our national defense as we seek to deter adversaries like China, Russia and Iran,” said Wittman, whose home state of Virginia includes HII shipyards where the carriers and submarines are built.

Navy and Pentagon leadership point to the Covid supply chain disruptions as one reason for the delays, but there are also self-inflicted wounds that have slowed production.

Case in point is the Navy’s new frigate program, envisioned as a small, fast ship that the Navy would be able to build relatively quickly because it’s based on an Italian design already in use by several European countries.

When the contract was awarded to Fincantieri Marinette Marine in April 2020, the Navy was looking to keep 85 percent of the ship as-is and avoid including too many new technologies, thereby decreasing costs and reducing risk.

But today, the version being built at a shipyard in Wisconsin shares only 15 percent commonality with the original design, according to one person familiar with the planning, and the Navy isn’t done yet. The person, like others in this story, was granted anonymity to discuss changes to the ship design that are not public.

The Navy changed speed and survivability requirements from the original design, according to a second person familiar with the planning.

Speaking with reporters Tuesday at the Pentagon, Vice Adm. James Downey, head of the Naval Sea Systems Command, said the service was still making changes to the design despite the fact that construction on the first ship began in August 2022. “We’re working to finalize [plans] over this year,” he said.

Those constant and continuing changes have led to delays and increased costs. So much has changed, despite the Navy’s promises to keep the process simple, that “it’s like a new hull, we might as well start from scratch,” said Bryan Clark, a retired Navy submarine officer.

“The Navy just keeps larding new requirements on the ships,” said Clark, who is now at the Hudson Institute. “And each new generation is so much more sophisticated than the predecessor that inevitably you’re going to get to the point where you’re just asking too much of the shipbuilding industry to punch out the ships on quick timeliness.”

The delays have caught the eye of Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin.

“The secretary is focused on increasing the capability and capacity of our shipbuilding industrial base,” Pentagon spokesperson Maj. Gen. Pat Ryder said in a statement. “He continues to engage with Navy leadership and with industry to drive solutions that will mitigate scheduling risk and meet our national security requirements.”

Ryder noted the investments the Pentagon is pouring into shipyards to modernize their operations and make sure supply chains are well funded.

The Pentagon has spent billions on modernizing shipyards over the past several years, and $3.4 billion for the submarine industrial base remains mired in the supplemental bill that Republicans continue to block in the House after it passed the Senate.

The news isn’t sitting well with lawmakers who have already criticized Navy plans to grow the fleet as too slow from the start. They’re almost certain to press the issue with Navy brass when they visit Capitol Hill to defend their budget proposal starting this month.

The top Democrat on the House Armed Services Seapower panel, Rep. Joe Courtney, said the review by the Navy “lacks specifics on the source of program delays across all surface and submarine programs, which Congress needs in order to determine the path forward.”

The Connecticut Democrat, whose district is home to the General Dynamics Electric Boat shipyard that builds submarines, also dinged the service for seeking to purchase fewer ships, notably one less attack sub, in its most recent budget.

“Cutting procurement as proposed by the Navy’s 2025 shipbuilding plan arguably compounds [the] delay rather than solves it,” Courtney said.

Christopher Kastner, HII’s president and CEO, told reporters Thursday at his office in Arlington, Virginia, that he agrees funding to buy materials in advance for the Virginia-class submarine must stay on track.

“That can’t be delayed,” he said. A delay “puts you behind the eight ball, and it’s a risk that we can’t deal with.”

He also argues industry needs $1 billion in fiscal 2025 for Virginia-class submarine suppliers.

One of the major impediments to getting the ships done on time has been worker shortages at many of the nation’s shipyards. The Wisconsin yard building the frigate, which also built one of the two versions of the littoral combat ship that have been plagued with mechanical issues, has struggled to find skilled laborers, despite multiple programs to recruit and train welders and other workers.

HII has also had trouble finding skilled workers for its shipbuilding programs, and since 2020, has spent $450 million in training, Kastner said.

While the defense committees may look to add hulls to the Navy’s plans, they’ll be challenged by limits on defense spending imposed by last year’s debt limit deal that will make funding new ships a tough financial trade-off without relief from the caps. Expect lawmakers also to double down mechanisms they’ve granted the Navy in recent years and argue will save money, such as multiyear procurement authority.

Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.), who chairs the Senate Armed Services Seapower subcommittee, said the review exposes significant workforce shortfalls. The Virginia Democrat said he’d use upcoming defense legislation to help build up the defense workforce and would push for his bill to expand access to job training programs that could help train more shipbuilding workers.

“I’m committed to ensuring our shipbuilders have the resources and workforce they need to deliver ships to our military in a timely manner,” Kaine said. “This report shows we still have much more to do to get there.”
 
/pol/ told me that China would fall apart any day now, and yet it's the US and it's military that seems just about done. Funny how that works.
 
I guess moving almost all American manufacturing to China, eliminating domestic supply chains, and essentially shuttering American shipbuilding capabilities over the last six decades might, just might, have been a little short sighted.

But hey, at least the stock holders got big dividend checks, and that was the important thing.
 
It was the price we paid to have tampons in the mensrooms of those ships.

We cant have our boys going into combat with their vaginal discharge all Willy-nilly.
 
Can't believe the number of Kiwi's actually buying this schlock? The navy (and every other federal agency) pushes out doom and gloom news ALL THE TIME to fear monger congress to give them more money.

I am not saying there are not issues with the US Navy, but its likely nowhere near this bad. Using China's paper fleet is just another way to scare congress into giving them more.
 
The problem is the same now as it was at the turn of the century. The Navy (and the military in general) is fucking top heavy with so many stars that serve no useful function other then pushing paper and having "good ideas" to make everything more complicated, frustrating and pointless.
 
China certainly does have a lot of problems. Their one child policy has left them with quite the gender imbalance in society even though they've lifted it and depending on how hardcore nationalistic the populace is, the CCP can't control all of them. Are millions of surplus fighting-aged males willing to sacrifice themselves to the meatgrinder? They can steal all the technology they want but the second they make a hostile move against another country, it's nuke time. Probably why they're likely flooding out the West with immigrants and 'refugees' to weak the nations from within, which is working, but at this rate, China can only look forwards to ruling a shithole if somehow they eke past getting nuclear bombed during global fallout.
 
The problem is the same now as it was at the turn of the century. The Navy (and the military in general) is fucking top heavy with so many stars that serve no useful function other then pushing paper and having "good ideas" to make everything more complicated, frustrating and pointless.
I looked it up a year ago and the US Army has the same number of four stars now that we in the Army had during all of WW2, and that included the USAAF four stars and all Army/USAAF five stars, despite having an Army about 1/8th the size and in no war we're in the middle of.
 
Can't believe the number of Kiwi's actually buying this schlock? The navy (and every other federal agency) pushes out doom and gloom news ALL THE TIME to fear monger congress to give them more money.

I am not saying there are not issues with the US Navy, but its likely nowhere near this bad. Using China's paper fleet is just another way to scare congress into giving them more.
Nah, with the state of the US military, I can actually believe it. We're suffering thru a competency crisis, why do you think we got kicked out of Afghanistan and Putin decided to invade Ukraine all under Biden? If China hurries up, they might have time to invade Taiwan and get away with it.
 
Can't believe the number of Kiwi's actually buying this schlock? The navy (and every other federal agency) pushes out doom and gloom news ALL THE TIME to fear monger congress to give them more money.

I am not saying there are not issues with the US Navy, but its likely nowhere near this bad. Using China's paper fleet is just another way to scare congress into giving them more.
There are almost no shipyards available to actually construct these ships and the drydocks that exist CONUS are dogshit. Anyone who served in the USN knows that the yardbirds in Norfolk and elsewhere are literal scum of the Earth and the contracting companies actually in charge of the maintenance and overhaul are more concerned with stretching out the timeline as long as possible to make as much money as they can. The fact that this is also happening in the production shipyards is not surprising. These shipyards are the only ones left in the US that can do this. They have complete market capture. Where else is the USN going to go to get ships?

While the USN and the Federal Government pushes out shit all the time to give them more money, there's only a handful of shipyards that can make ships. This isn't the 1940s anymore where we had massive yards in every coastal city. All of those yards were turned into trendy parks and upscale apartments in the wave of deindustrialization years ago. The Government has been throwing money at this issue for years now, and have even changed deployment cycles with carriers to allow more time (lol!) for maintenance, but nothing has been working because it's a numbers game.

I've talked about this at length before. This is a Gordian Knot of a problem and it links more heavily towards deindustrialization than anything else. Land forces can be stood up relatively quickly - it doesn't really take a whole lot, all things considered, to muster a group of men and put them in uniform, give them a gun, and teach them the basics - but to build up a Navy it takes decades of foresight. Crippling the civilian shipyards has had a knock-on effect for the naval ship construction timeline. We shit out hundreds of ships a year during World War II, whereas now we're lucky to get three or four. Obviously ships are more technologically-inclined now, but it doesn't change the basic facts.

You can say the PLAN is a paper fleet but that's, like I've said before, just arrogance and complacency. Naval warfare is a numbers game, about overwhelming the enemy with odds stacked heavily in your favor. It's how the Royal Navy assumed global dominance in the 19th century, it's how we won the Pacific, and it's how up until now we've also had global seapower dominance. I don't deny that it's probable that the PLAN is not as strong as they'd like us to believe, but I don't see how that means that we shouldn't take the USN seriously, especially with all the problems it's facing.
 
I remember back in 2016 we literally designed a littoral water warship for china. I mean not outright, we designed it and scrapped it and china somehow had the same exact design right after we discontinued it.
 
Back in 2016, we knew China would beat us in a war. There was no winning move except not to play
TBF, what were the win conditions? If the goal was to invade the Chinese mainland, then yes, that is impossible because even if beach heads are established, it'd be like a bigger version of holding Iraq where the population is inherently hostile and all the infrastructure is written in moon runes, which Americans find incomprehensible. Good luck reading a Chinese map if you can't read it. If the goal is to contain China's naval movement in the South China sea... that was doable about 10 years ago when the Navy could seize the Strait of Malacca and mess with Chinese oil imports. That's no longer the case because America was stupid enough to drive Russia into allying with China, which made both countries completely sanction-proof. Seizing a strait is doable for a navy, blockading the Gobi Desert and Mongolia is impossible for the US. So now, it's not just the Chinese navy to worry about, but missiles fired from the mainland to take out USN ships. And we can be certain they have decent to good air defense because they're working with Russia now, so airpower can't penetrate as far as needed.
 
Can't believe the number of Kiwi's actually buying this schlock? The navy (and every other federal agency) pushes out doom and gloom news ALL THE TIME to fear monger congress to give them more money.

I am not saying there are not issues with the US Navy, but its likely nowhere near this bad. Using China's paper fleet is just another way to scare congress into giving them more.
I only have had a chance to see a narrow slice of this issue from my own personal experience, but the foundry I work at has a critical shortage of a key nuclear material for the reactors on the U.S. naval fleet. Turns out that China runs the lowest levels of the supply chain and have been playing hard ball with the supply. We used to get it domestically, but domestic production was shut down thanks to EPA concerns. I don't know what other elements of our shipbuilding industry are affected, but if things are half as bad elsewhere as here, we're fucked.
 
I remember back in 2016 we literally designed a littoral water warship for china. I mean not outright, we designed it and scrapped it and china somehow had the same exact design right after we discontinued it.
If you mean the LCS, this was a ship that was spawned by the Good Idea Fairy in the heady days of the 1990s when History Was Over and all we had to worry about was patrolling the Gulf and fighting against non-state actors. Originally it was meant to be just a corvette, but everyone had an idea and wanted to shove it into the ship to get around post-Cold War budget cutbacks. It went from being a simple littoral corvette to being that but also an MCM, and also an ASW ship, and also a SEAL insertion platform. They planned for modules to rotate and to be "fitted" as needed. It was such a delusional idea that they decided to order two sets (they couldn't decide on which design they liked more, so they ordered a production line of both) with the expectation that, in this new GWOT era, all we'd have to deal with were hajjis in speedboats.

IIRC they're still constructing them, but both designs are plagued with issues. The Freedom-class has recurring issues with its engine transmission and the Independence-class has hull fractures whenever it goes a certain speed. The MCM module has been under testing for like over twenty years and still doesn't work. The ASW is performed better by DDGs. It's still a decent corvette, but it's not needed in the current atmosphere going forward. It's why they're shifting gears to the Constellation-class frigates. They're still producing the LCSs they ordered, though.
 
Turns out that China runs the lowest levels of the supply chain and have been playing hard ball with the supply. We used to get it domestically, but domestic production was shut down thanks to EPA concerns. I don't know what other elements of our shipbuilding industry are affected, but if things are half as bad elsewhere as here, we're fucked.
I hate EPA more and more with each passing day
 
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