🤝 Community Munchausen's by Internet (Malingerers, Munchies, Spoonies, etc) - Feigning Illnesses for Attention

[Catmannjew]

Reclining wheelchair would be more versatile for private ownership, though. Cheaper, too.

Not flashy enough. Needs to be more dramatic with ww1 trench flare.

 

[Zemblan Physics]

We feel you, doc!

Link sorry no archive, tired y’all

 

[Flourishing Pinecone ❧]

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primary care would be the worst choice! they come to you FIRST and then need ongoing care.

this is an interesting question though and got me thinking.

Probably something surgical. Not Neurosurg obviously, unless you decide to never do spine work (but then you miss out on mad cash money).
Upper and Lower GI would obviously get the dysmotility girlies (Gastro also out).
Vascular would have to deal with people begging for lines and then having to resite said lines when they get infected.
Even Ortho would get the bendy brigade knocking at their door.

ENT? Ophthal? Cardiothoracics?
Obstetrics is probably safe, if you can somehow avoid the Gynae half of it.

Neurology obviously is out, unless you want to spend months ruling everything out only to come to an FND diagnosis.
And Cardio is out because of POTS.

Haem? Chronic lymers might want to see you.
Endocrine definitely out, too many people wanting to be tested for "subclinical hypothyroidism" (ie. fat).
Rheum also definitely out because of MCAS, mah joints, etc.

Renal? Maybe safe, nothing immediately comes to mind.
Oncology also probably safe because they don't take patients without a tissue diagnosis of actual bonafide cancer.

Radiology would be ok if you're not doing interventional stuff, minimal patient contact.

Actually the only good field where you're guaranteed to have no contact would be Pathology. Forensic Pathology would be the best branch cos all your patients are dead so they aren't very demanding.

 

[Kufungisisa]

Obstetrics is probably safe, if you can somehow avoid the Gynae half of it.

Until you try getting the dangerous and unnecessary meds removed or come across one of those chronic lyme girls.

EDIT: Psych would be my first choice: you have plenty of munchies but by the time they've got there everyone knows the illnesses are bollocks and you can say it straight up.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

Until you try getting the dangerous and unnecessary meds removed or come across one of those chronic lyme girls.

EDIT: Psych would be my first choice: you have plenty of munchies but by the time they've got there everyone knows the illnesses are bollocks and you can say it straight up.

Yeah, ironically psychiatry would be pretty safe from the munchies. Munchies spend years trying to avoid psychiatrists’ offices because that’s admitting they have a mental illness, not a physical one. They throw absolute tantrums if given a psych referral.

I truly don’t know how medical pros deal with these bitches, but they are tolerated because the medical facilities like billing lots of procedures and pointless testing.

 

[Adjustable Autism]

this is an interesting question though and got me thinking.

I think there is no field completely free from munchies and other patients from hell. My first idea was Nephro or Oncology, since they have objective tests.

Psych was mentioned several times. It's true, the real and thread relevant munchies are few and far between, but the self diagnosing and "advocating" is through the roof! Including huge tantrums and whining when they don't get what they want. You also deal with extremely entitled and often aggressive parents/guardians/spouses, or - worst of them all - online advocates. Unless the reddit OP plans to be super liberal with the rx for the good stuff, they should stay as far away from psych (and neuro) as possible.

 

[Otterly]

Oncology. Fairly cut and dried in terms of yes/no diagnostics.

 

[GenociderSyo]

Rather sure I have only 1 true munchie at my work. It is a former school social worker. Don't tend to work often with clietns who can speak back to me, but even though shes not my client she tries to pretend shes a tard at times.

 

[Kufungisisa]

So Agony Autie / Sara Jane Dunn and the 'alters' have put on a one (?) person show: Neurochatter. It was in Chester with 'Tired Horse Company' but she's now taking it to the Edinburgh Fringe Festival.

Spoiler: Announcement

AGAIN crowdfunding, so far no one has really donated. I really hope people around her have realised the depth of her malingering and won't continue wasting their hard earned money.

Spoiler: Grifting

'Rewards'

Any money raised goes straight to her bank account, there is no guarantee it will end up in Edinburgh.

Spoiler: How this Crowdfunding Platform Works

Bonus clip of the show in Chester:

Spoiler: Neurochatter Video

And we also know what brand of "queer" she claims to be (she came out around the time her ex started a relationship with a man):

Spoiler: Sexual Graffiti Film

Pansexual.


Everyone else in the video is super serious and clearly upset saying words they've heard again and again (mong, retard etc.)

She gets 'rugmuncher' (not an uncommon word in the UK) has never heard of it and finds it hilarious.

I've been organising my archives, hoping to collect together all her claimed disorders soon.

 

[everybody in Portugal]

Bonus clip of the show in Chester:

Spoiler: Neurochatter Video

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This is magnificent. Jesus Christ, how embarrassing for her.

 

[bliblblblbbllb]

Speaking of the nebulous accidents munchies often have, have you guys ever known "accident-prone" and extremely unresilent people? Have you noticed they very often have medical professionals in their family or are themselves neurotic low-level healthcare workers like CNAs?

People like that in my life are what got me into kiwifarms and this thread was one of my first.

Spoiler: Blilblbiii works with an illness-prone clusterfuck

"I can't work because of my period. My back hurts too much- I'm going to the ER! I have terrible heartburn! I'm throwing up! I have the shits! My 17yo daughter is sick- mommy needs to stay home at her bedside! I have vertigo! I think I have a stomach bug! I tripped off my porch and went to the ER!" Missing work at least once per week or more. Always a new story.

It was just a few weeks into knowing her that she told me a story about how she tripped or something and was flailing on the floor going "Waaahh call 911! I need an ambulance" And her boyfriend went "er yeah.... you don't need to go in an ambulance." And so she threw all his things into the yard and broke up with him. Before the ambulance arrived.
She told me this story as if this showed how ultimately evil that guy was, that she was filled with the strength to throw all his things around before succumbing epically to her terrible backache. She really seemed unaware that she looked so bad in it.

She overshared regularly about all her meds in detail, even taking them at her desk in full view, a giant parade of pill bottles.
She also was on a high dose of Effexor and some other shit, and would randomly cold turkey it for a couple days due to just not filling her prescription or going to her follow-ups to get refills, and then go right back to taking it or even double doses.
I said "Holy shit, serotonin syndrome!"
She said, "What's serotonin syndrome?"

She was a CNA with 20 years experience.

Her medication situation seemed like such a mess born out of going to random doctors and ERs with no follow up or communication between doctors, and on top of that she smoked pot and occasionally binge-drank. This almost always landed her in the ER due to "vertigo" aka why the fuck are you drinking on a high dose SNRI AND muscle relaxers AND anxiety medication AND high blood pressure medication. I think it was really so bad that they should have put her into the psych ward to take her off a bunch of stuff in a supervised environment, get her on medication that made sense, and attempt to beat sense into her about medication mangement. But what do I know, and that's a pipe dream. I think a large part of why she didn't go to her follow-ups to get refills was because she knew the psychs and other doctors would see through her weird bullshit.

She didn't last long at the hospital we worked at, and threw a massive tantrum about sexism upon being fired, implying that no one liked her because she was ugly and "men only treat the pretty ones well." Considering all of our bosses at the time were women, this wasn't a very good argument.

So yeah, she was a personal lolcow of mine and it was fun while it lasted.

 

[LonesomeDud]

I am all out of spoons after catching up on this thread.

 

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I truly don’t know how medical pros deal with these bitches, but they are tolerated because the medical facilities like billing lots of procedures and pointless testing.

Medical facilities like not violating EMTALA or being caught up in a medmal lawsuit.

Defensive medicine rules the day in the US and you are absolutely playing with fire if you don't provide the standard of care for every patient, munchie or not.

Which is why their constant agony about being ignored and gaslit by doctors is bullshit, by the way.

 

[SNU]

@bliblblblbbllb yeah accident prone is the first step. A lot of people never go further but some progress to full blown munchie. It depends on the reasons they are accident prone. Some are because they are depressed and it stops in between depressive episodes. Some are just lazy and want to avoid responsibilities. Some do it for attention. The attention seekers are more likely to progress.

I believe it all stems from a lack of empathy. They can only exercise selfish empathy. It's not true empathy. Quite often when it looks like they are showing empathy its coming from an ulterior motive. Like they might say shit like "it's so sad how much treatment costs for sick people I think it should be cheaper or subsidized" but it's not because they feel bad for other sick people. They are thinking about themselves.

Another reason I believe they have no empathy is because they can't conceptualize the fact that other people are having a worse day than them and if they have a problem they make it someone else's problem. What they are dealing with is the worst thing ever. They yell at ambulance staff who took a while getting there to see them about their tummy ache and can't imagine that the reason for it was they were busy dealing with higher priority calls from people actively dying. They avoid responsibilities and leave it to other people because they have a minor ouchy and don't even realize other people have similar or worse shit going on but soldier through without complaint. If they are upset they think it's a good excuse to be abrasive and generally a cunt to everyone around them where as a normal person with empathy wouldn't. If I'm having a bad day I don't make it other people's problem by being a cunt to them. If a company screws me over and I call their customer support I don't yell at the poor wagie who answers the phone.

These people just can't imagine how other people feel or they can but don't care. They don't realize other people have similar shit going on but don't talk about it or let it get in the way. They are just selfish and lack empathy

 

[The former Jack Donaghy]

Came across this account on Twitter in my "for you" tab. While I'm not 100% aligned on COVID stuff as other people in this thread (I do think it's damaging and we probably don't know how badly yet and should probably try not to catch it as much as possible—I feel the same way about the flu to be honest), I'm with you all when I say this is insane behavior and these people need intense therapy. (Mods—sorry if I fucked these pics up, I can honestly never remember how to attach correctly)

 

[OrSoHelpMe]

So Agony Autie / Sara Jane Dunn and the 'alters' have put on a one (?) person show: Neurochatter. It was in Chester with 'Tired Horse Company' but she's now taking it to the Edinburgh Fringe Festival.

Lou Gags over in animal control is (finally) spinning up a plural narrative that is speedrunning pissing everyone off, and it’s much more entertaining because at least for now he is not trying to claim DID.

The munchies who actually manage to get themselves diagnosed with DID and then go onto make films and plays and media portraying it like this make me too MATI to read much any more. There are vastly different conditions being labelled “DID” right now. There is a real dissociative trauma condition caused by severe developmental abuse, but it ain’t multiple personalities, or dissociated “people” who live in your head and speak to and through you. It’s a condition where one person experiences dissociative episodes so severe that upon certain triggers they lose touch with themselves. Those dissociative states don’t exist beyond while you are dissociated to them, it’s not multiple consciousnesses, there’s nothing to talk to or be talked to. The person might experience influence from these dissociative mindsets when adjacent to a trigger or while working on reintegrating, without fully dissociating and losing touch with who they are. But to experience it as hearing literal voices of your “alters” would be a pseudo hallucination, your brain filling in gaps, not a genuine split personality able to speak to you. “Hearing” an alter would just be your own thoughts, but because of early trauma that left you so phobic of it that you developed a dissociation in yourself, your brain might interpret it as coming from a part of you that’s not you, potentially as an auditory hallucination. Treatment for the genuine dissociative condition would mean NOT encouraging them to see these experiences as multiple personalities talking to them but to see them as one person experiencing dissociation. For someone with the genuine condition, DID is not supposed to be a permanent condition, or an identity. For someone with this condition, doing what Autie is doing would make their symptoms worse, and encourage further dissociation, hallucinations, potentially psychosis. Engaging in that kind of roleplay just isn’t possible for a person with DID, which looks nothing like Autie’s artistic depiction.

But there are plenty of therapists and social workers willing to slap a DID diagnosis on this hysterical, multiple personality presentation nowadays, because there are many, many more people like Sara who pad their BPD into “look at all my personalities!! They help me make art and tell me stories!!!” and then either wind up with a provider who encourages the Sybil type of treatment, or doctor shop or refuse treatment unless they are treated as a “system.” The problem is, these people don’t want DID treatment. (They don’t have DID.) They’re not done being a “system” yet and it is too beneficial to their artistic or social media careers. Integration means losing these special alters, not regaining the ability to function in the world, because they’re managing, there. They want to keep roleplaying these multiple consciousnesses that talk and have big parties to process their trauma and difficulty in life, and there are plenty of therapists who will hand hold them and play along. And it probably helps them, somewhat, though something like IFS therapy would probably help more. But again, this would be very harmful to someone with actual DID.

Different conditions, one label, and the people getting the shaft are the genuinely disabled ones who need actual treatment, not a bullshit social worker encouraging them to name the same dissociative episode with 5 different names.

There we go, that’s my fill of MATI for the day.

Go read Lou’s plural saga, it’s much more entertaining. I’d actually buy a ticket to watch that story.

 

[Anne Hathaway Fan]

Came across this account on Twitter in my "for you" tab. While I'm not 100% aligned on COVID stuff as other people in this thread (I do think it's damaging and we probably don't know how badly yet and should probably try not to catch it as much as possible—I feel the same way about the flu to be honest), I'm with you all when I say this is insane behavior and these people need intense therapy. (Mods—sorry if I fucked these pics up, I can honestly never remember how to attach correctly)

"She thinks I'm fucking unstable but she's the one genociding"

Imagine saying that sentence and not having the self-awareness to see how unstable the back half of that sentence sounds.

 

[Free the Pedos]

These people all just sound burned out. "I used to run marathons on weekdays while raising my three kids and camping on the weekends while being a full time professor and full time yadayada on the side while i ran my small catering business and cared for my elderly mom" like don't you think thats a bit much? Most people can't do that and only do like 1 or 2 of those things.

Maybe I’m a dickhead but I always look askance at people who say things like that. I think most are stretching the truth a bit, if not lying to make themselves look more praiseworthy.

 

[Thomas Eugene Paris]

Maybe I’m a dickhead but I always look askance at people who say things like that. I think most are stretching the truth a bit, if not lying to make themselves look more praiseworthy.

Yeah, or she's the kind of person you wouldn't actually want to be if you had the chance. I think sometimes people overcommit like that not because they enjoy all the activities, but because they have a hard time being alone with their thoughts.

 

[Otterly]

Any money raised goes straight to her bank account, there is no guarantee it will end up in Edinburgh.

Gah. I cannot tell you how much I hate the fringe. IT IS A PLAGUE.

Speaking of the nebulous accidents munchies often have, have you guys ever known "accident-prone" and extremely unresilent people?

People being very accident prone is a red flag for a lot of things. From experience of people I’ve known;
1. Depression seems to make people genuinely accident prone probably through inattention
2. Alcoholism - I sadly know a couple of still for now very highly functional alcoholics and they’re always hurting themselves.
3. Abuse by another

Maybe I’m a dickhead but I always look askance at people who say things like that. I think most are stretching the truth a bit, if not lying to make themselves look more praiseworthy.

I have some sympathy with it becasue a demanding job plus kids plus caring for older people is a reality for a lot of us and it’s genuinely hard. of theyre bragging about marathons as well then its probably self inflicted

Yeah, or she's the kind of person you wouldn't actually want to be if you had the chance. I think sometimes people overcommit like that not because they enjoy all the activities, but because they have a hard time being alone with their thoughts.

i used to work with a woman who told me that when she wasn't around other people, she felt like she ceased to exist.