Is anime getting cucked about violence too?

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So I've discussed with other kiwis that a lot of American media, like comic books, tend to have a hard-enforced "no kill" rule (Batman won't kill, Superman won't kill, etc.) and that the media in question likes to pretend its an in-character thing when actually its a media censorship thing.

For awhile, anime was the polar opposite--in fact in the anime invasion wave of the 1990s one of the marketing points was how hyper-violent shows like Akira or Fist of the North Star could be.

But lately I've noticed anime has also been getting cucked about violence and death.

Now, I'm specifically ignoring examples like Detective Conan where it makes perfect sense the hero wouldn't be blowing people's heads off.

I'm talking about examples like the following, which are all cases where the violent solution would actually make sense and be less unrealistic than the bullshit the story actually pulls:

Charlotte -- In this anime (which is about people who have powers that all seem to be kinda useless--like a girl who can be invisible but only to one person at a time, that sort of thing)--in the third episode there's a girl who is being chased because she found a cell phone with damning data on it. This girl is an idol and the phone belongs to one of her producers, strongly hinted to have mob connections.

They confront him--he brings like, gang members... and they actually discuss just frying him and his goons using the girl's pyro-powers but instead come up with this stupid plan to secretly take down two of his goons, take their place, and just scare him by making it look like she fried them.

What. The Fuck. This plan makes no sense and plus.... they're mob goons. Why not just fry them? (The only in-story justification they bring up is wanting to avoid jail time. But... no witnesses = no jail time).

Or how about...

Inyuashiki -- (No, this isn't the show about the dog-demon-man in Feudal Japan. This show is about an old guy who gets powers from aliens. The name just happens to sound similar).

So in the third episode, the title character happens to take out a gang of Yakuza by turning into this super laser machine. Like... he sends lasers through their eyes and everything....

.... And then he bullshits in something about how they're all actually still alive, just "rendered encapable of hurting anyone."

Again, when you see the scene in question, that's... highly dubious. Its also one of those cases where the "non-kill" solution is actually more horrifying.

Higurashi: When They Cry -- Okay its hard to describe this one without going into spoiler territory, but... several times it would seem like killing a bad person would actually be the more logical solution, or else just a natural consequence of some of the things the main characters do.....

But when it happens, its always presented as bad. When it does not happen, the show goes to retarded lengths to make it not happen AND hold it up as morally superior.

......

And these are just the ones I remember clearly.

Again, it stands out to me because when I was first getting into anime, most anime characters understood that sometimes that's just how battle goes. But now they're Batman levels of retarded about it, it seems.

What's up with that?
 
I find Japs feel about violence the way we in the west feel about sexual content. I remember when the Berserk Dynasty Warriors game came out the English version had more blood and gore but censored the big demon lady's tiddies, while the Jap version had tiddies but less blood and gore.
It's also why everybody exploded into semen instead of blood in the classic Fist of the North Star anime.
 
It's also why everybody exploded into semen instead of blood in the classic Fist of the North Star anime.

Isn't that more because China has laws against depictions of blood, which results in the change blood into semen censorship? What I wonder, is why they don't change blood into another color, like how the Danganronpa series has pink blood, which became a standout feature of its games and anime?
 
Higurashi: When They Cry -- Okay its hard to describe this one without going into spoiler territory, but... several times it would seem like killing a bad person would actually be the more logical solution, or else just a natural consequence of some of the things the main characters do.....

But when it happens, its always presented as bad. When it does not happen, the show goes to retarded lengths to make it not happen AND hold it up as morally superior.

You're missing the point of the story in this one. It's to fix the timeline completely so no one has to die. Just killing the bad guys isn't really enough. Also, the characters are mostly children and you can't really expect them to go up against a group of very dangerous adults and win so easily. Although it looks as if Satoko's traps actually killed members of the Yamainu. That girl is dangerous.

I don't watch much violent anime. Just the occasional slice of life if it looks amusing. Maybe people are bored of too much violence? You get desensitized after awhile. Maybe it's harder to sell your anime to other countries if you don't tone it down. Like China for instance. Everything is made with China in mind now instead of the home country.
 
Higurashi: When They Cry -- Okay its hard to describe this one without going into spoiler territory, but... several times it would seem like killing a bad person would actually be the more logical solution, or else just a natural consequence of some of the things the main characters do.....

But when it happens, its always presented as bad. When it does not happen, the show goes to retarded lengths to make it not happen AND hold it up as morally superior.
have you not read umineko? ryukishi is a retard who literally depicted his critics as demon goats and had his characters kill them
there is also gou/sotsu which have violence explicit to the point where rika is shown getting disemboweled and split in half by satoko

it really is just the author being autistic for this one
 
Just no. You still have ridiculous violent shows. Goblin Slayer and Frieren just go full TGD/TDD without issue. At most you have shonen not killing but that was always a thing.
So in the third episode, the title character happens to take out a gang of Yakuza by turning into this super laser machine. Like... he sends lasers through their eyes and everything....

.... And then he bullshits in something about how they're all actually still alive, just "rendered encapable of hurting anyone."

Again, when you see the scene in question, that's... highly dubious. Its also one of those cases where the "non-kill" solution is actually more horrifying.
What happened that instead of killing them he turned them all into completely paralyzed. Considering they were women trafficking Yakuza they all deserved it, and it is an arguably fate worse than death. Later in the show you get truly gory shit when the other robot murders a good chunk of Japan, which was glorious.
 
Bruh. You aren't even bringing examples like Genocyber,Urotsukidoji,Biobooster Guyver and some stuff from Manga Entertainment.
Those are a bit old though. I think op means more recent shows. I think there's still a healthy douse of violence in more modern anime like Promised Neverland and Made in Abyss.
 
Those are a bit old though. I think op means more recent shows. I think there's still a healthy douse of violence in more modern anime like Promised Neverland and Made in Abyss.
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Nope. There's still plenty of violent shows that air each season. The only reason you don't see the extreme violence like the 80s is because the really, really violent ones full of blood and guts were OVAs never aired on TV, and the recession back in 2008 killed the OVA market.
For awhile, anime was the polar opposite--in fact in the anime invasion wave of the 1990s one of the marketing points was how hyper-violent shows like Akira or Fist of the North Star could be.
What? It was extremely censored. The heads explode with almost no blood. In the movie, where they could get away with showing more violence because it wasn't on TV, the kills are a lot more messy.
 
It's also why everybody exploded into semen instead of blood in the classic Fist of the North Star anime.
.... Okay, its been awhile since I watched Fist but my memory is that they exploded into red blood.

Bruh. You aren't even bringing examples like Genocyber,Urotsukidoji,Biobooster Guyver and some stuff from Manga Entertainment.
Like another person said, I was talking about a recent trend.

You're missing the point of the story in this one.
It's still an example of a larger trend I've been noticing.

People say that about Batman too--"oh, his no-kill rule makes sense," or "his aversion to guns has an actual reason." Which, okay, that explains this story... it does not explain when seemingly every other cape in history seems to have the exact same beliefs and personal rules.

It would be like, if you talk to one person who hates their dad, maybe you can get to know that person and find they have reasons... but now imagine you run into 100 strangers over the next week, and they all hated their father. I personally would be looking around for a sign announcing the weekly meeting of the People Who Hate Their Dad club.

That's what I'm getting at here: I've been running into anime lately which put the heroes in situations where killing would've been an okay solution but they bullshit a reason not to and then bullshit a completely implausible way to have conflict resolution that doesn't come down to violence... in a totally "Isaac Asimov" way where yeah, their solution is still violent, just they're deluded that it totally isn't.

It's to fix the timeline completely so no one has to die. Just killing the bad guys isn't really enough. Also, the characters are mostly children and you can't really expect them to go up against a group of very dangerous adults and win so easily.
The funny thing is this was actually one of my complaints with the anime (maybe the VN is different but ryukishi's work is so drawn-out and boring I don't wanna go that route)--they do win too easily, like the story is bending over backwards to make it work.

Then again, in that chapter one of their allies is a character I call Loli Jesus, so maybe its literal divine intervention.

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@ The topic at large.

I'm not really asking "do violent anime still exist?"

I'm totally fine with anime heroes themselves being kill-averse, like Unico or Locke the Superman were back in the day.

What really bothers me, especially with the examples I brought up, is they have a "have your cake and eat it too" feel to them. The writer wants to write these action setpieces where their character totally lords it over a punk villain.... but the writer's autism kicks in and they're like "but violence is bad, so I have to bullshit in some way its actually not violent!" (even though scaring people with threats and displays of power is still violence, but whatever...)

The sad part is that this isn't hard: Just write a different scenario entirely, one where violence actually would be disproportionate. Instead of a girl being hunted by goons because she found a criminal's cellphone, how about she just has a stalker who is just some lonely parasocial asshole? There, she gets to scare him off with her fire powers... and is also justified in not actually hurting him. Easy fix. You set up the situation, you have no excuse for avoiding the logical follow-thru.
 
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maybe the VN is different but ryukishi's work is so drawn-out and boring I don't wanna go that route
the original ryukishi VNs are easily the worst way to experience whatever the fuck he was trying to write so you definitely made the right choice here
IIRC the PS2/PS3 versions do have endings where some of the shittier characters die but they aren't considered canon because violence bad

What really bothers me, especially with the examples I brought up, is they have a "have your cake and eat it too" feel to them.
just watch anime that you actually like? like 90% of it has always been complete trash
 
Inuyashiki is terrible example. There was a scene where the bad guy shoots a dad in front of his kid, making him fall on his kid and fucking drown him. The whole point of the show was good guy savings lives to feel alive and bad guy taking lives to feel alive, not exactly your typical capeshit.
 
the original ryukishi VNs are easily the worst way to experience whatever the fuck he was trying to write so you definitely made the right choice here
Yeah, I tried to go through Umineko as a VN (using Youtube uploads cuz I ain't paying for this shit) but god damn did it drag.

Then I read the manga (only the first few pages because by then I was burned out) and saw it got the same basic point across in like five pages.

just watch anime that you actually like? like 90% of it has always been complete trash
The funny thing is I actually am enjoying Charlotte so far--ironically tho the friend who told me about it described it as a show he remembered hating, so I'm expecting it to go off the rails.

Thing is I actually considered doing a "sadbrains" post similar to the one I did for video games, just about anime... the thing is though with vidya, there's easily definable things I can latch onto that suck. With anime though it would probably come off as schizo whining, because I'm never sure if the anime is the problem or if I'm just having a mood swing.

A lot of anime I watch recently tend to feel like "Huh, that was neat" personified, unless something really stood out... and usually for me, something stands out because it bothers me, which makes me sound way more critical than I really am.
 
But when it happens, its always presented as bad. When it does not happen, the show goes to retarded lengths to make it not happen AND hold it up as morally superior.
This is the entire fucking point of Higurashi, and it's gore-hounds like you crying for more scenes of lolis getting eviscerated who've ruined future entries for the rest of us.
 
Those are a bit old though. I think op means more recent shows. I think there's still a healthy douse of violence in more modern anime like Promised Neverland and Made in Abyss.
OP seems to have a habit to complain about things but barely scratching the surface of the matter (and not providing concrete examples that could support his main argument too), not that it stops him to ramble about random things either way.

Frieren and Goblin Slayer pretty much come to mind as it's been pointed out earlier, and I recall a video clip of Spy x Family where Yor gets to kill the assassins during the ship arc. The one example that could serve OP's argument is the anime adaptation of Boku no Kokoro no Yabai Yatsu where the murderous delusions of MC played for the funny are gone just as how some of his insults are toned down (shitty bitch to shitty woman in examples below).

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Then again, I'm someone who consumes books more than the animation format.

I find Japs feel about violence the way we in the west feel about sexual content. I remember when the Berserk Dynasty Warriors game came out the English version had more blood and gore but censored the big demon lady's tiddies, while the Jap version had tiddies but less blood and gore.
That's more of a CERO thing (the Japanese rating board for videogames) though. And in spite of the 18+ rating (named CERO Z), gorey stuff such as decapitation and body mutilation still remain censored. Koei-Tecmo didn't want the Berserk musou to obtain a Z rating, which would have heavily restricted the sales of the game such as a lack of advertisements and the game being purchasable with a bank card. And as the game was only available on Playstation systems, it wasn't possible to buy a Z-rated game with a prepaid card on PSN either (Nintendo Switch eshop doesn't have this penalty by comparison).

CERO is also restrictive on sexual content, generally not allowing fanservice below a C (15+) rating these days.
 
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