Opinion When marijuana is legalized, societal statistics go to pot - The more studies that are done on the growing of marijuana, the more it is becoming clear legalization of the drug is becoming a major public health crisis.

The more studies that are done on the growing of marijuana, the more it is becoming clear legalization of the drug is becoming a major public health crisis. Controls on marijuana should be not eased but strengthened.

In a December report in the New England Journal of Medicine, Dr. David A. Gorelick and others show that cannabis-related mental health problems are rising rapidly nationwide in conjunction with increasing legalization of the drug. Gorelick reported that almost 20% of those aged 12 and older used marijuana in 2021, with 16 million suffering from “cannabis use disorder,” which is the inability to stop taking the drug even as it causes health and social problems. And almost half of those addicts suffer other mental health illnesses such as anxiety, major depression, post-traumatic stress disorder, hallucinatory delirium, suicidality, or schizophrenia.

Another study released jointly last May by researchers at the U.S. National Institutes of Health and the National Institute on Drug Abuse and Mental Health Services in the Capital Region of Denmark showed that among men aged 21-30, “as many as 30% of cases of schizophrenia among men aged 21-30 might have been prevented by averting cannabis use disorder.” This isn’t just to say that many schizophrenics smoke weed. The study says marijuana use often triggers schizophrenia, which otherwise would not develop at all.

As it was put by Denmark’s study co-author Nora Volkow, “The entanglement of substance use disorders and mental illnesses is a major public health issue, requiring urgent action and support for people who need it.” And the problem is worse now than ever because today’s street marijuana typically has a far higher potency than that commonly used 50 years ago.

Indeed, the December study shows that marijuana use is responsible for 10% of all drug-related emergency room visits in the U.S. And among those aged 18-25, an astonishing 14% use marijuana at problematic levels. And cannabis use leads to a 30%-40% rise in the risk of car crashes. This coincides with a 2021 study of motor vehicle statistics showing that “the percentage of fatalities involving cannabis and coinvolving cannabis and alcohol doubled from 2000 to 2018.”

Other recent studies, all of them by entirely reputable outlets, have shown that heavy marijuana use often can cause permanent brain damage, that legalization has actually increased the vast illicit market for the drug and a rise in criminal violence, and that it really does serve as a gateway to higher opioid use and mortality. Even at the genetic level, marijuana use can be measurably dangerous.

Marijuana is far from the nearly harmless substance that popular culture believes it is. Its deleterious health effects are numerous, serious, and indisputable.

That’s why, except for extremely targeted, limited use under a doctor’s supervision to treat adverse effects of dreaded ailments such as cancer, marijuana should be illegal at both state and federal levels. And while alternative sentencing can be a worthwhile idea for minor users, marijuana offenses definitely should be prosecuted. Its heavy use or sale, moreover, should be criminally punished.

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As someone who's smoked too much weed in their time I would not recommend it.

As for the gateway drug part of the article the only person I know from my high school friend group who was big on weed that went on to harder stuff was a sociopathic asshole who seemed like the type of person who would boof yeast up their colon to intentionally cause auto brewery syndrome. Last I heard of him he's a vagrant on the west coast.
 
As someone who's smoked too much weed in their time I would not recommend it.

As for the gateway drug part of the article the only person I know from my high school friend group who was big on weed that went on to harder stuff was a sociopathic asshole who seemed like the type of person who would boof yeast up their colon to intentionally cause auto brewery syndrome. Last I heard of him he's a vagrant on the west coast.
It's only a gateway drug because once you try it and realize it's mostly harmless, you start to question whatever else DARE warned you about. Plus, most dealers don't just sell weed. Anymore though, you're lucky to find anything on the street that doesn't have fent in it in some way. Even the pot. Dealers give zero shits about killing off clients. There's five more right behind them.
 
Something that a certain group of people was talking about for years but was dismissed because "It's better than tobacco, maaaan" ended up being truthful? Shocking.
I'm not defending them, but I have to wonder how much of the original marijuana plant even exists anymore. I remember people reading High Times magazine and there being articles about chemists and shit doing gene manipulation or something like that to not just breed a better plant but other stuff as well; and part of me wonders, how much of these people fucking around with the plants is part of what's causing more severe issues with the addicts. I knew hippies who lived through the 1960's and 1970's, and sure they were annoying, but they also seemed somewhat more competent than the younger generations who just want to blaze 24/7 and can't fucking tie their shoes. Though I'm also certain another part of it is weed being laced with God knows what, since people are more likely to buy from their usual dealer than the state licensed dispensiaries.

It's only a gateway drug because once you try it and realize it's mostly harmless, you start to question whatever else DARE warned you about.
I'm not defending the FBI in any manner; but being an arcade rat back in the day, this had a stronger influence on me when I was young and impressionable than the D.A.R.E. program did. If anyone doesn't know; this splash screen was required on every commercially released arcade game from the late 1980's to the late 1990's or so. It did it's job for me at least, can't speak for anyone else.
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In a December report in the New England Journal of Medicine, Dr. David A. Gorelick and others show that cannabis-related mental health problems are rising rapidly nationwide in conjunction with increasing legalization of the drug. Gorelick reported that almost 20% of those aged 12 and older used marijuana in 2021, with 16 million suffering from “cannabis use disorder,” which is the inability to stop taking the drug even as it causes health and social problems. And almost half of those addicts suffer other mental health illnesses such as anxiety, major depression, post-traumatic stress disorder, hallucinatory delirium, suicidality, or schizophrenia.
So 10 percent of marijuana users based on this report have anxiety, major depression, PTSD, delirium, sucidality, or schizophrenia?
Ok?
This isn’t just to say that many schizophrenics smoke weed. The study says marijuana use often triggers schizophrenia, which otherwise would not develop at all.
What? how does it prove or disprove the idea that schizophrenia develops from the usage of cannabis. This is such a weird assertation to make. it could be true, but I didn't have access to the study. Based on the other ridiculous claims in the article I highly doubt it, but it could definitely be true.
as many as 30% of cases of schizophrenia among men aged 21-30 might have been prevented by averting cannabis use disorder.”
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the study i guess
Am i missing something? How does this prove anything? It doesn't look like there's a big overlap between those who smoke a lot of weed, and actual schizophrenics?

“the percentage of fatalities involving cannabis and coinvolving cannabis and alcohol doubled from 2000 to 2018.”
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Why put cannabis and alcohol together with just cannabis? Why not just separate those statistics into three groups.
Just Cannabis
Just Alcohol
Cannabis & Alcohol
Wouldn't that be better? This is like adding frosting to a cake, then eating the cake and blaming the frosting for your diabetes when you just ate a fucking cake.
“The entanglement of substance use disorders and mental illnesses is a major public health issue, requiring urgent action and support for people who need it.”
Fucking what? aren't both of these things problems on their own? Whats the correlation here? Are they surprised that mentally ill people use drugs? Why would they be? Isn't mental illness, and emotional distress the reason people pick up drugs at all?
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The article cites an editorial, and the editorial makes a claim without a citation?

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Based on what evidence? When I looked at the study talking about "brain abnormalities" it said there was a higher density of gray matter.
How is that exactly a bad thing? If anything the study actually does more to confirm something about the amygdala similar to how masturbation/sex and the release of prolactin affects drive, in the same way cannabis makes you lazy because the drug gives you a sense of satisfaction.

legalization has actually increased the vast illicit market
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Because the government exorbitantly taxes the plant. Imagine if they did this with alcohol. People would be bootlegging again.
the article cites
A shooting where people with AR's tried to rob growers, resulting in one of the robbers dying.
A mexican gang member saying they shot a snitch.
Where's this massive rise in violence? More like a massive rise in exploiting land with bad farming techniques, like a gold rush.
and that it really does serve as a gateway to higher opioid use and mortality
No it doesn't. The editorial being referenced just implies correlation. There's nothing causative about it.
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Whats the causative relationship between opioid mortality and legal marijuana being available?
If there are more opioid deaths, and there are more dispensaries, that just implies both are going up. Where's the connection?
Retail sales through dispensaries are associated with greater death rates? In general? what kind of baseless connection is that?
Name someone who died from smoking weed if thats true?
No it doesn't say that at all. Did the article propagandist even read the study?
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It literally says it doesn't establish a causal relationship, nor does it enumerate what those epigenetic effects mean. Especially if they're relating it to tobacco, which has studies that actually suggest benefits, so I have no idea why this is in here.
That’s why, except for extremely targeted, limited use under a doctor’s supervision to treat adverse effects of dreaded ailments such as cancer, marijuana should be illegal at both state and federal levels. And while alternative sentencing can be a worthwhile idea for minor users, marijuana offenses definitely should be prosecuted. Its heavy use or sale, moreover, should be criminally punished.
Fuck off lmao. its so bad that we need to prosecute adults, and put kids into dem programs. And we should go after farmers. Who fuckin wrote this lol?

Now I am someone who has smoked some weed in my time, make no mistake. And as a sober guy, I wouldn't suggest people get into it because its not lasting joy, its a temporary, lazy high.
And yes, anyone who tells you weed isn't addictive is either lying, or isn't the kind of person to be dependent on substances in general.
The real reason to not smoke weed is because it kills your drive, is a costly habit, and will slowly make you dependent on it. Eventually you start to get anxiety and depression from the cannabis itself.
Urinalists just can't be honest, they HAVE to lie.

A chad version of this article would just call you a hippie faggot for getting stoned and watching rick and morty like a redditor.
 
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I'm not defending them, but I have to wonder how much of the original marijuana plant even exists anymore. I remember people reading High Times magazine and there being articles about chemists and shit doing gene manipulation or something like that to not just breed a better plant but other stuff as well; and part of me wonders, how much of these people fucking around with the plants is part of what's causing more severe issues with the addicts. I knew hippies who lived through the 1960's and 1970's, and sure they were annoying, but they also seemed somewhat more competent than the younger generations who just want to blaze 24/7 and can't fucking tie their shoes.
A lot of original strains still exist and aren't too different from how they used to be but most weedbros will never come in contact with them. Modern day weed especially in legal countries is way way more potent than it used to be in the 60s and 70s and I'm pretty sure it genetically skews much more toward indica than it used to, meaning it has more of a sedative effect. Not to mention that places like reddit have made smoking weed in itself out to be a "lifestyle" so people have zero remorse about literally being stoned 24/7.
 
among men aged 21-30, “as many as 30% of cases of schizophrenia among men aged 21-30 might have been prevented by averting cannabis use disorder.
This is admittedly something I'm only so-so aware of. My understanding was that pot can cause schizophrenia if you have family history of schizophrenia, thus indicating that pot activates what was lying dormant.
What I'm not sure about is if pot simply speeds up the schizophrenia (i.e. they would have gotten it, but now they just get it sooner) or if schizophrenia would have been completely avoided if not for pot.

As for the gateway drug part of the article the only person I know from my high school friend group who was big on weed that went on to harder stuff was a sociopathic asshole who seemed like the type of person who would boof yeast up their colon to intentionally cause auto brewery syndrome. Last I heard of him he's a vagrant on the west coast.
Technically the gateway drug is alcohol and nicotine. At least if you look at what the the vast majority of drug addict have in common.
The thing though is just that alcohol and nicotine isn't considered drugs (technically is but it's socially acceptable) so it's hard to convince people that it is far more of a gateway drug than weed.

It's only a gateway drug because once you try it and realize it's mostly harmless, you start to question whatever else DARE warned you about.
That was my experience with coke.
Was actually very disappointed, Hollywood makes it seem so much cooler than it actually is.
The only people I know with coke problems are BPD white girls who tend to do a hell of a lot more than just coke.

chemists and shit doing gene manipulation or something like that to not just breed a better plant but other stuff as well
Technically gene manipulation but when you say gene manipulation most people think about people in white coats sitting in a lab splicing beaver DNA into plants.
They've just been manipulating the genes by promoting and cross pollinating strains of weed with higher or lower levels of the psychoactive components. Basically selectively breeding the plant to be more potent.

Though I'm also certain another part of it is weed being laced with God knows what, since people are more likely to buy from their usual dealer than the state licensed dispensiaries.
The problem with lacing weed is that you can tell pretty easily if you've mixed it with something else.
I guess if you're a dumb kid you probably don't know better though but long term weed smokers basically know the effects of weed and what not weed feels like.

Why put cannabis and alcohol together with just cannabis?
Because no one dies from weed alone. If you OD on weed you just crash on the couch, get incoherent or get super paranoid. So to make a stronger argument against the usage of weed they need to tweak the stats a bit.
 
So weed is slowly becoming another tobacco. What a shocker. Wouldn't wonder that (((they))) try to legalize more drugs under the excuse that "drug good marijuana bad!" just like the current excuse that "marijuana good tobacco bad".
At least industrial hemp and CBD oil are legal now, so that's at least something good out of this whole mess.
 
In Fishtank 2, a girl from Portland said that the biggest societal problem facing her community, more so than homelessness, extremism, political violence and assassinations in the streets of downtown, is marijuana.

Not fentanyl, not meth, but marijuana.

It really made me think.
 
Let's face it, we've all known that stoner that thinks they're just as cool as the guy that tells stories about what happened when they got blackout drunk last weekend.

I doubt legalized marijuana would change that, but hey, maybe it will be acceptable to start saying that those people have a problem and maybe they should get help.
 
They've just been manipulating the genes by promoting and cross pollinating strains of weed with higher or lower levels of the psychoactive components. Basically selectively breeding the plant to be more potent.
Pretty much what they did with hot peppers but for THC instead of capsaicin. I wouldn't actually be surprised if the ludicrously high doses easily available now have different clinical outcomes.
 
Fascinating. Now let's see the articles on prescribed pharmaceuticals and how they ravaged rural america enriching the people and company who made them in the process.
 
I somewhat disagree. Growing up in the UK the culture was focused around drinking, more-so of the previous generations than nowadays, as post-covid, most towns and nightlife are comparatively dead. However, those drunken, low-impulse controlled chavs are at loss less of a pain in the arse when they're stoned vs when they're high.

I've worked in several areas of the UK and the towns that are still part of the booze-culture, are worse off by many metrics vs those towns that stink of weed 24/7.

Tl;dr - the part of society that are scum bags, are less scummy when on weed vs booze. YMMV
 
It would be wrong to say that cannabis is always harmless or that it poses no risk, but this article reads like a really desperate attempt to hype up the potential risks.

The more interesting part of this debate this for me is how the people who I see calling for more restrictions placed on selling cigarettes and vapes also tend to be pro-legalizing cannabis, and conversely the people who are most willing to defend tobacco tend to be people like the author of this article. Why are there seemingly so few people out there who are willing to let people enjoy both THC and Nicotine?

So weed is slowly becoming another tobacco. What a shocker. Wouldn't wonder that (((they))) try to legalize more drugs under the excuse that "drug good marijuana bad!" just like the current excuse that "marijuana good tobacco bad".
At least industrial hemp and CBD oil are legal now, so that's at least something good out of this whole mess.
I'm aware of at least one jurisdiction in the US where people born in or after the year 2000 are banned from legally buying cigarettes and vapes but are free to buy cannabis from dispensaries.
 
I'm aware of at least one jurisdiction in the US where people born in or after the year 2000 are banned from legally buying cigarettes and vapes but are free to buy cannabis from dispensaries.
Wait, seriously? I know that New Zealand and Bongistan passed or are trying to pass such laws (though the NZ law is going to be repealed, thank God), but America? Really?
If you're already allowing weed then go all in and don't ban tobacco, but I guess I'm expecting too much from :lunacy: American politicians....
 
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