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The Federation is very passive-aggressive towards non Leftists by daring them to colonize some other planet.
imo, i don't think human nature will change by the 24th century. there will always be a right/left dichotomy. so i think you are right about colonies and the federation. all the dissidence will want to leave earth for their ethnostate outside federation space. similar to how right wingers move from nyc to fl or tx.
Also, the replicator is actually mediocre when making food and drink.
i always thought this was done on purpose by the federation government to control the behavior of the populist. you can't have too much alcohol or red meat but the replicator will give you what you think is alcohol and red meat. very passive aggressive of the federation.

i am sure that you can just replicate the raw ingredients and make your own alcohol or fatty chocolate cake. or maybe you can trick the replicator to produce the real stuff, similar to getting tricking chatgpt to give you the real answer to a non approved question.
 
imo, i don't think human nature will change by the 24th century. there will always be a right/left dichotomy. so i think you are right about colonies and the federation. all the dissidence will want to leave earth for their ethnostate outside federation space. similar to how right wingers move from nyc to fl or tx.

i always thought this was done on purpose by the federation government to control the behavior of the populist. you can't have too much alcohol or red meat but the replicator will give you what you think is alcohol and red meat. very passive aggressive of the federation.

i am sure that you can just replicate the raw ingredients and make your own alcohol or fatty chocolate cake. or maybe you can trick the replicator to produce the real stuff, similar to getting tricking chatgpt to give you the real answer to a non approved question.
I don't think you can trick the replicator into making real food. That's why Picard goes about the business of pruning vines or Sisko bothering to grow food for Thanksgiving.

 
The thing with everything even remotely fantastical is - if it's not capeshit, the execs literally don't understand it. There's a lot of capeshit in nutrek as a result which really needs to be established.

As far as I'm concerned Star Trek is dead and they're just taking turns pissing on it's grave. There's absolutely no way to get another legit star trek in the current cultural climate of the west.
 
i always thought this was done on purpose by the federation government to control the behavior of the populist. you can't have too much alcohol or red meat but the replicator will give you what you think is alcohol and red meat. very passive aggressive of the federation.
The only replicators we see, most of the time, are aboard federation starships, and usually only in situations where people are on duty. They have been shown to make real alcoholic drinks, rather than synthehol; Worf served blood wine to those those Irish peasants in up the long ladder, after they were dismissive of the whiskey it produced (it was probably a shitty, lowest-common-denominator blend) and again to Kahlest'sKahless's clone, though he said it wasn't as good as the real thing that time.

Lower Decks actually dug into this whole thing a few times, setting up the situation where lower ranks only have access to a limited selection from the replicators, and can only get real booze in the crew lounge. It fits pretty well with your idea that Starfleet is so anally petty about people having too much of the wrong kind of fun - but it's shown as a negative quality when it comes up. This is actually why I like Lower Decks, because it delves into some of the unfortunate reality that emerges from being overly utopian, while still holding up the ideals of the earlier show as something to aspire to. A lot of the world outside the federation is shown to far from the perfection the Federation imagines itself creating, with more than a few of its plots echoing Eddington's anger at the Federation and his comparison of it to the Borg.

The fact that it's the show over which Kurtzman has the least amount of oversight and influence might have something to do with it.
 
because land and planets are finite not everyone will get it equally. tbh, nutrek did a better job showing this better than original trek. nutrek showed this with the rafey/picard conversation. picard gets a grape vineyard/wine distillery through inheritance and rafey gets a trailer in the desert because she is junky. even in the socialist progressive society of nu trek, the rich leftist like picard gives lip service to poverty.
Rafey can replicate a house. Picard's vineyard burned down pointlessly in Star Trek Generations and he replicated a new one. Rafey didn't have a problem with space at all.

The fact that people live where they were born has been referenced multiple times. They probably don't allow aliens outside of officials to live on Earth due to overpopulation. Besides, we've seen in multiple episodes that hating your place of birth is highly discouraged. Earth in the future doesn't have the "Don't like your country? Move to another!" mentality that leads to mass migration.
 
The only replicators we see, most of the time, are aboard federation starships, and usually only in situations where people are on duty. They have been shown to make real alcoholic drinks, rather than synthehol; Worf served blood wine to those those Irish peasants in up the long ladder, after they were dismissive of the whiskey it produced (it was probably a shitty, lowest-common-denominator blend) and again to Kahlest'sKahless's clone, though he said it wasn't as good as the real thing that time.

Lower Decks actually dug into this whole thing a few times, setting up the situation where lower ranks only have access to a limited selection from the replicators, and can only get real booze in the crew lounge. It fits pretty well with your idea that Starfleet is so anally petty about people having too much of the wrong kind of fun - but it's shown as a negative quality when it comes up. This is actually why I like Lower Decks, because it delves into some of the unfortunate reality that emerges from being overly utopian, while still holding up the ideals of the earlier show as something to aspire to. A lot of the world outside the federation is shown to far from the perfection the Federation imagines itself creating, with more than a few of its plots echoing Eddington's anger at the Federation and his comparison of it to the Borg.

The fact that it's the show over which Kurtzman has the least amount of oversight and influence might have something to do with it.

Finally someone appreciates Lower Decks.

The topic of replication and biosynthesis has always been a wishy washy subject in Star Trek; from some characters you would believe that replicators are common in the same way TVs are now and that meat is almost an impossible idea of eating, while at the same time other characters like O'Brien describe having real meat. It appears to be a choice kinda situation.

I also don't think the Federation, or at least Starfleet, is especially anal about controlling the access to overly indulgent foods any more than most Militaries are (if you accept that Starfleet is paramilitary). It kinda makes sense that if you have a society with such comforts and technology that even lifting objects, washing laundry, overall cleaning etc has been removed from the expected labour of each day that you'd want to control their calorie intake. There's never been any reluctance of Starfleet officers of engaging in things such as extensive meals and actual alcohol worrying about Starfleet policy; there's never been an instance in the show when a character has been reprimanded for such (to the extent that Romulan Ale, while illegal, is just accepted as a regular thing in the same way weed was prior to legalisation).

Synthathol does actually get people intoxicated but in a different way. Depending on some sources the type of experience is either that of alcohol but with a much, much quicker recovery time (you don't stay drunk for very long) or more like a high from something like THC.

Then if you go to the extreme example of Picard then apparently the Federation is more libertarian than authoritarian when it comes to drugs and the access to them.

I think if we were to come up with an actual psychologically relevant reason for it, then it may be the same way that cocaine and opium were fairly common along with drinking beer instead of water but suggesting the same thing to someone now would consider someone a degenerate.

Rafey can replicate a house. Picard's vineyard burned down pointlessly in Star Trek Generations and he replicated a new one. Rafey didn't have a problem with space at all.

The fact that people live where they were born has been referenced multiple times. They probably don't allow aliens outside of officials to live on Earth due to overpopulation. Besides, we've seen in multiple episodes that hating your place of birth is highly discouraged. Earth in the future doesn't have the "Don't like your country? Move to another!" mentality that leads to mass migration.

This has kinda been explained in a few ways. There isn't really an issue with overpopulation on Earth (at least none that's been described) but the reason most people decide to stay within their own home planet is due to most people not really having any real desire to leave their planet or go to space. Keep in mind Star Trek focuses around Starfleet and the people who chose to go in to space; Picard describes how his father wasn't especially happy with his admission to Starfleet as have a few other characters.

There's also the factor of the same reasons a lot of ships are species specific -- different planets have different gravities, different atmospheres, and different climates, so being stuck on an alien world - no matter how friendly it is - that is different from your own would be a strained existence.
 
The only replicators we see, most of the time, are aboard federation starships, and usually only in situations where people are on duty.
Industrial replicators were referenced in DS9 when the Federation was giving them to Cardassians to support them in their war with the Klingons.
Lower Decks actually dug into this whole thing a few times, setting up the situation where lower ranks only have access to a limited selection from the replicators, and can only get real booze in the crew lounge. It fits pretty well with your idea that Starfleet is so anally petty about people having too much of the wrong kind of fun - but it's shown as a negative quality when it comes up.
This is retarded. We know from every Star Trek show we've seen that everyone gets their own replicator in their quarters. Again, the producers are trying to make Starfleet evil in whatever way they can.
 
Industrial replicators were referenced in DS9 when the Federation was giving them to Cardassians to support them in their war with the Klingons.

This is retarded. We know from every Star Trek show we've seen that everyone gets their own replicator in their quarters. Again, the producers are trying to make Starfleet evil in whatever way they can.

I don't think they were making them appear evil. More like they finally gave in to the idea that Starfleet is full of a bunch of regulations to keep everyone being noble. It's a comedy/parody rendition of the franchise, so it gets the opportunity to give a lot more the fan side of the view of the federation, and what I'd consider a much more realistic idea of being on a ship in respect to how mundane roles are treated vs. senior command.
 
It's a comedy/parody rendition of the franchise, so it gets the opportunity to give a lot more the fan side of the view of the federation, and what I'd consider a much more realistic idea of being on a ship in respect to how mundane roles are treated vs. senior command.
This is the only aspect of Starfleet they are interested in showing. Starfleet was filled by assholes in Picard that wanted the Romulans to go extinct. Starfleet is filled with incompetent male buffoons in STD that get epicly owned by girl bosses. I don't know much about SNW but I'm sure they do something similar there. It's a fact that none of the writers know anything about Star Trek and just want to turn the franchise into yet another edgy/grungy sci-fi piece of media to compete with Star Wars or whatever the fuck they're trying to do.
 
This is the only aspect of Starfleet they are interested in showing. Starfleet was filled by assholes in Picard that wanted the Romulans to go extinct. Starfleet is filled with incompetent male buffoons in STD that get epicly owned by girl bosses. I don't know much about SNW but I'm sure they do something similar there. It's a fact that none of the writers know anything about Star Trek and just want to turn the franchise into yet another edgy/grungy sci-fi piece of media to compete with Star Wars or whatever the fuck they're trying to do.

Picard definitely portrayed the Federation as outright evil, but to be fair so did The Next Generation and DS9 numerous times. Lower Decks doesn't really show Star Trek in an evil way - actually, the opposite sometimes: the entire plot of one episode was the Lower Decks crewmen trying to foil a plan to frame their captain as it appeared the federation was going to let them take the fall for something entirely impossible for them to have committed. The ending of the episode basically shows that Starfleet was secretly running intelligence ops in the background to gather evidence to prove the Captain's innocent, and that Starfleet doesn't abandon one of its own.

I think you'd be pleasantly surprised with BNW. It is absolutely the show people had been asking for prior to STD and Picard's fiasco releases. It's not the most serious show, definitely more episodic than serialised (which I think is a good thing). It feels like Star Trek more than STD and Picard could ever dream of. BNW is the one I'd recommend for serious Trek these days - it's the only of the live action trilogy that has had consistent fan and critic positive reviews, and the only one that goes back to the story telling of Star Trek.
 
I think you'd be pleasantly surprised with BNW. It is absolutely the show people had been asking for prior to STD and Picard's fiasco releases. It's not the most serious show, definitely more episodic than serialised (which I think is a good thing). It feels like Star Trek more than STD and Picard could ever dream of. BNW is the one I'd recommend for serious Trek these days - it's the only of the live action trilogy that has had consistent fan and critic positive reviews, and the only one that goes back to the story telling of Star Trek
BNW is Pozz Trek and you're a faggot. Go feltch Kurtzman or something.
 
Why don't you two faggots go to PM and fuck ? Lower decks is a Trek version of Rick and Morty, designed for man children with a room temp IQ
I'm sorry that I'm not a faggot without a sense of humour. You should kill yourself if you get so upset over people's enjoyment of something. Your IQ isn't even room temp bro, you should probably be less mad and more funny if you're gonna get MATI.

BNW is Pozz Trek and you're a faggot. Go feltch Kurtzman or something.
It's fucking Star Trek, what were you expecting? I have yet to find an example of BNW shoehorning shit in for the sake of it.
 
I have yet to find an example of BNW shoehorning shit in for the sake of it.
Episode 1 and the rape comment in sick bay followed by Twitter level 'there there' pats on the back. Shit acting, characters that are supposed to be in the future but talk like they were lifted from an Episode of Friends.
Kill yourself.
 
I have yet to find an example of BNW shoehorning shit in for the sake of it.
The musical episode where everyone sings awful pop songs. The episode where they blame WW3 on January 1st footage. The quirky retarded lines where characters say "COOL BEANS!" There is lots to complain about with that shitshow.
 
The musical episode where everyone sings awful pop songs. The episode where they blame WW3 on January 1st footage. The quirky retarded lines where characters say "COOL BEANS!" There is lots to complain about with that shitshow.

Definitely lots to complain about, but compared to STD and Picard it's fucking miles apart from the Bullshit. The shoehorning was moreso in reference to the disgustingly thick plots of STD with the tranny shit and constant speeches given by the worst protagonist main character a show in Trek has ever had (Michael).

Also the Musical episode isn't a BNW thing - they were planning this since TNG but never found a good time to put it in. I like Musical Theatre and was quite fond of the episode. I get why a lot of people wouldn't like it. I just enjoyed that they took the final episodes of the last season to kinda give a breather from all the doomer trek that we've had for years before they hit the Gorn plot which I'm pretty sure is gonna be dark as hell.
 
The musical episode where everyone sings awful pop songs. The episode where they blame WW3 on January 1st footage. The quirky retarded lines where characters say "COOL BEANS!" There is lots to complain about with that shitshow.
Are these actual things? Including COOL BEANS? I watched half of episode 1, and one episode with the Gorn? Who for some reason had turned into alien rape monsters or something, then realised it's shit.
 
Are these actual things? Including COOL BEANS? I watched half of episode 1, and one episode with the Gorn? Who for some reason had turned into alien rape monsters or something, then realised it's shit.

So you based your entire experience off the pilot episode and a gorn episode? Gotcha.

Have you ever heard of the curse of ST's first two seasons? I think you might want to rewatch TNG/Voy/Enterprise because those all had season 1/2 much worse than SNW.
 
Definitely lots to complain about, but compared to STD and Picard it's fucking miles apart from the Bullshit.
So it's still cancer but it's first stage cancer and that somehow makes it good?
Including COOL BEANS?
Uhura says "COOL!" at one point. When Captain Pike comes down on the planet that's on the brink of war to show them footage of January 1st (lmao) he says "HI!" like a sperg. Lots of lines like that are there to get laughs from the zoomers and create epic gif reactions.
Have you ever heard of the curse of ST's first two seasons? I think you might want to rewatch TNG/Voy/Enterprise because those all had season 1/2 much worse than SNW.
Okay now you have to sit in the penalty box. The second season of TNG has some of the best episodes in Star Trek, and I'd rather watch the first season over and over instead of any nutrek crap. VOY doesn't start bad at all and neither does ENT.
 
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