Nutrek / New Star Trek / 2009 - Present day - The most embarrassing production modern television has ever seen

[The Pulverizer]

It represents the values of a generation that was born 100 years ago: meritocracy, colorblindness, and individual achievement; hierarchy, tradition, and respect for authority; plurality of opinion and debate; deterrence through superior firepower; military involvement in science, politics, and diplomacy; the superiority of Western Civilization over any form of collectivism, despotism, etc.; and homogeneous nation-states voluntarily cooperating or competing with one another.

No one in Star Trek uses obscenities. The only forms of entertainment to have survived are classical music or post-WW2 music, painting, literature, and theater. For me the biggest achievement of the 90's shows is that the characters were so educated but they were never boring or preachy. In fact, they were more human and relatable than the nutrek characters that sing K-Pop and curse all the time.

It wasn't because of Trump support, it was because Icheb's original actor called the gay dude #MeToo-ing Kevin Spacey a prima donna doing it for the attention and he was one of the main stars on Discovery.

Icheb somehow managed to become a worse person than Wil Wheaton. He's gay (still more of a man than Wil) and his impulse to stan Kevin Spacey for being like him was greater than his hatred of pedophiles.

 

[Solomon Bundy]

It wasn't because of Trump support, it was because Icheb's original actor called the gay dude #MeToo-ing Kevin Spacey a prima donna doing it for the attention and he was one of the main stars on Discovery.

Thank you for clarifying, but still, it's a stupid reason to bring back any character, and the scene remains the goriest scene in Trek history. Just unnecessary. Trek is supposed to be for everyone.

 

[Alter Ego]

I don't understand why this thread exists except for what I'm guessing is a vain hope from OP that the real Star Trek thread can be exclusively about Member Berries.

 

[Londo]

It shouldn't be surprising. Star Trek was a space western created by WW2 veterans in the 1960s, was reborn as a series of action-adventure films and buddy comedies in the 1980s, and reached its zenith as a thoughtful sci-fi drama in the early 1990s. It represents the values of a generation that was born 100 years ago: meritocracy, colorblindness, and individual achievement; hierarchy, tradition, and respect for authority; plurality of opinion and debate; deterrence through superior firepower; military involvement in science, politics, and diplomacy; the superiority of Western Civilization over any form of collectivism, despotism, etc.; and homogeneous nation-states voluntarily cooperating or competing with one another.

It's true that Roddenberry inserted some real shitlibbery, especially later in his life. And Star Trek never really figured out how a post-scarcity economy would work, opening the door for some really brain-dead critiques of capitalism while the heroes continue to own property, run businesses, buy and sell things, etc. (All of that apparently stems from a joke in Star Trek IV when Kirk couldn't pay for a pizza.) These can be ignored while one appreciates the broader themes of the series.

The economic world building of Star Trek has always been a mindfuck, even in a show that has entire wiki articles over single specs of dust on screen. The Federation is only post-scarcity for so much, and only on core worlds -- the strange thing is that as far as canon goes there are actually a shit ton of populated worlds either within the Federation or under the protectorate zone of the Federation that are completely poverty stricken; this was also a major difference in Se1/2 of TNG and what followed. Early TNG was trash (it had a few good additions like Q) but it only became tangibly realistic when Roddenberry was essentially told to fuck off. A lot of episodes of early TNG really portrayed the Galaxy as full of assbackwards niggers (literally) and colonies of boiler suit wearing morons.

The cult of personality around Roddenberry is retarded too - the man was an absolute asshole in life. He cheated on his wife, grubbed as much money as possible, and overall if you listen to his son's vague descriptions of childhood it doesn't seem he was especially good towards his family overall. Multiple harassment claims. Numerous things he did that fucked over the royalties of producers, etc.

 

[The Pulverizer]

the real Star Trek thread

Nutrek is not real Star Trek.

 

[The Pulverizer]

The economic world building of Star Trek has always been a mindfuck, even in a show that has entire wiki articles over single specs of dust on screen.

Why would there be any need for an economy when you can replicate any kind of matter out of thin air? There are items that are too complex to be synthesized via the replicator and some worlds will ask for currency in exchange for them.

the strange thing is that as far as canon goes there are actually a shit ton of populated worlds either within the Federation or under the protectorate zone of the Federation that are completely poverty stricken

The difference between Earth and the worlds that are in poverty is manpower and technological prowess. That's why Starfleet offers assistance to the worlds in need.

The cult of personality around Roddenberry is retarded too - the man was an absolute asshole in life. He cheated on his wife, grubbed as much money as possible, and overall if you listen to his son's vague descriptions of childhood it doesn't seem he was especially good towards his family overall. Multiple harassment claims. Numerous things he did that fucked over the royalties of producers, etc.

It's not unfathomable why people admire him. Star Trek was a major advancement in the field of science fiction. The films and the shows have inspired countless of people. Sure you can make the claim that he wasn't the sole person behind all that, but none of it would've happened if it wasn't for his idea.

 

[Londo]

Why would there be any need for an economy when you can replicate any kind of matter out of thin air? There are items that are too complex to be synthesized via the replicator and some worlds will ask for currency in exchange for them.

Because the Federation and its citizens still have to deal with external economies -- this is why the Soviet Union struggled so much, because it was a closed currency that couldn't trade.

You can replicate items, but land is finite. How do you decide who gets the nice apartments or the large homes we've seen?

How is latinum allocated to officers? Are there different allowances for Enlisted, Officers, and Admiralty?

Currency is still needed in some form, even post-scarcity.

The difference between Earth and the worlds that are in poverty is manpower and technological prowess. That's why Starfleet offers assistance to the worlds in need.

But that's now how people portray it economically. The average Trek fan image a galaxy of unlimited potential and zero ills, yet the Federation is rotted to its core and has a lot of inequality.

It's not unfathomable why people admire him. Star Trek was a major advancement in the field of science fiction. The films and the shows have inspired countless of people. Sure you can make the claim that he wasn't the sole person behind all that, but none of it would've happened if it wasn't for his idea.

I think it's fine to acknowledge the art versus the artist, however the way Trekkies adore and gush over this man and never acknowledge the various issues of his and the outright borderline evil shit he's done is repugnant.

 

[The Pulverizer]

You can replicate items, but land is finite. How do you decide who gets the nice apartments or the large homes we've seen?

How is land finite when they have colonized so many planets?

How is latinum allocated to officers? Are there different allowances for Enlisted, Officers, and Admiralty?

Gold-pressed latinum is entirely optional. The Ferengi weren't even a part of the Federation in DS9.

Currency is still needed in some form, even post-scarcity.

Entirely optional.

The average Trek fan image a galaxy of unlimited potential and zero ills, yet the Federation is rotted to its core and has a lot of inequality.

They don't interfere in the natural development of civilizations that have not discovered warp drive. Worlds that have discovered warp drive will receive all the help from Starfleet if they choose to accept it. How hard is this to understand?

 

[Solomon Bundy]

I just want to say, I fucking love how STD rebooted itself FOUR GODDAMN TIMES when I watched the first two seasons.

The first reboot was the pilot, as it was clearly a franchise reboot and not some prequel or continuation of Jar Jar Abrahms' Trek. The second was partway through the first season, when they realized the Klingon war storyline wasn't working. It was also around this time I got the suspicion that scenes had been written hastily, in fact in some cases I wouldn't have been surprised if they were rewritten just before shooting, by producers or even actors' demand. The third was the beginning of the second season, when it changed completely because the show was tanking and they were desperate. This was the Red Angel storyline. Then at the end of the second season, they traveled 1,000 years into the future where there is no Federation, so that's another reboot for the next season.

Kurtzman is a menace and deserves horrible treatment by animals.

 

[The Pulverizer]

as it was clearly a franchise reboot and not some prequel or continuation of Jar Jar Abrahms' Trek.

For some reason the Kurtzman, Abrams, and Oci trio was broken up. Only Kurtzman (the worst of the three) is working on Star Trek now. I wonder why.

 

[Standardized Profile]

Icheb somehow managed to become a worse person than Wil Wheaton. He's gay (still more of a man than Wil) and his impulse to stan Kevin Spacey for being like him was greater than his hatred of pedophiles.

If I remember correctly, Spacey treated him kindly when he was a young and struggling actor. He felt the charges must be false and he had to defend Spacey. At some point he had communicated with the Discovery guy and changed his tune. He might have realized, in retrospect, Spacey was grooming him, too.

 

[The Pulverizer]

If I remember correctly, Spacey treated him kindly when he was a young and struggling actor. He felt the charges must be false and he had to defend Spacey. At some point he had communicated with the Discovery guy and changed his tune. He might have realized, in retrospect, Spacey was grooming him, too.

I read his apology post on Facebook and it didn't mention his relationship with Spacey. It's possible that he felt ashamed by what happened, or you might be wrong. As I recall the actor only mentioned his admiration for Spacey. If he was another victim of Kevin Spacey victims, then it makes his brutal death scene in Star Trek: Retard even more fucked up.

 

[Miller]

Jesse Gender

He looks like Patrick H Willems with a wig.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

Say what you like about the films - Chris Pine was an excellent Kirk.

No. Chris Pine was playing what normies think Kirk is: the guy that sleeps with green ladies and punches people. He's more like a stable senior officer who ends up getting into fights, but generally tries to use his brain. NuKirk never gets to use his brain and in Into Darkness, is a goddamn idiot that's dumb enough to trust a terrorist that obviously sounds evil.

No hate to Chris Pine himself. It's not his fault the scripts consistently make him generic action man.

 

[newuser131]

How is land finite when they have colonized so many planets?

i imagine everyone wants to live on earth. its more of a status symbol. its the equivalent of being a billionaire and living in nome, alaska. you got plenty of space and land and you can replicate all the stuff you want, but you want to live in la or nyc to be a part of the social scene.

because land and planets are finite not everyone will get it equally. tbh, nutrek did a better job showing this better than original trek. nutrek showed this with the rafey/picard conversation. picard gets a grape vineyard/wine distillery through inheritance and rafey gets a trailer in the desert because she is junky. even in the socialist progressive society of nu trek, the rich leftist like picard gives lip service to poverty.

Entirely optional.

even with the replicator, i think there are items that the federation will not allow to be replicated. i think romulan ale was contraband for the longest time. i am sure someone could have got their hands on romulan ale and replicated it in the federation data base for everyone to use. but the fact that it was illegal probably means it was also illegal to replicate.

 

[TVB]

Strange New Worlds is awesome and so is Lower Decks. Also it is surprising how conservative a lot of trek fans are -- almost paradoxically so.

How much were you paid by Paramount to defend these two shows you fucking spaz?

 

[Londo]

How much were you paid by Paramount to defend these two shows you fucking spaz?

Lower Decks has been the closest thing to an actual Trek show in forever, and Lower Decks is fun. Cope and seeth further, Trekkie scum.

 

[TVB]

Lower Decks has been the closest thing to an actual Trek show in forever, and Lower Decks is fun. Cope and seeth further, Trekkie scum.

Also you spelled "seethe" wrong.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

i imagine everyone wants to live on earth. its more of a status symbol. its the equivalent of being a billionaire and living in nome, alaska. you got plenty of space and land and you can replicate all the stuff you want, but you want to live in la or nyc to be a part of the social scene.

because land and planets are finite not everyone will get it equally. tbh, nutrek did a better job showing this better than original trek. nutrek showed this with the rafey/picard conversation. picard gets a grape vineyard/wine distillery through inheritance and rafey gets a trailer in the desert because she is junky. even in the socialist progressive society of nu trek, the rich leftist like picard gives lip service to poverty.

even with the replicator, i think there are items that the federation will not allow to be replicated. i think romulan ale was contraband for the longest time. i am sure someone could have got their hands on romulan ale and replicated it in the federation data base for everyone to use. but the fact that it was illegal probably means it was also illegal to replicate.

I wrote this somewhere else in the actual Star Trek thread--and don't feel like looking for it--but it's actually the opposite. The Federation is very passive-aggressive towards non Leftists by daring them to colonize some other planet. If you want to be a Libertarian farmer that grows organic food or run an Irish or Navajo ethnostate, they will help you set up a colony. The trick is that the Federation often can't help out with those colonies because there's so many of them that they lose track of their existence. So colonization often came with the risk of acts of god in TOS where the Doomsday Machine can destroy the whole planet or everyone contracts a premature aging illness or flying pancake parasites or just plain old invasion by the many alien species that don't like their new neighbors. In TNG, the Federation signs stupid treaties (not entirely unprecedented seeing as how Sykes-Picot is real) that forces colonists to commit acts of terrorism to defend themselves if they don't accept forced relocation.

The result is that all the bold, ambitious people leave Earth i.e. the people that would want to reform Earth's government, leaving a bunch of bored liberals living in paradise and they have no understanding of how the wider galaxy actually works.

Also, the replicator is actually mediocre when making food and drink. It doesn't know how to make Scotch, it makes the healthy version of chocolate (which Troi complained about), and it can't be used as a Latinium money printer. Otherwise, Quark and most people in the Ferengi Alliance would use the replicator for that purpose. Never mind all the super advanced alloys that Voyager kept producing all the time. Likewise, it probably can't make Romulan Ale because it takes out all the alcoholic content out of it, so instead of getting blue vodka, you just get blue water.

 

[Londo]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=2e3-c_0WJgoAlso you spelled "seethe" wrong.

Also I meant Brave New Worlds is the closest thing to true Trek, not Lower Decks.